This fight should be 70-30 for Floyd.
If it grosses even $200 million that's a 140-60 million split people.
I'll never get the Floyd fans who keep harking back on the $40 million offer made when Many was just as big a draw as Floyd. That offer was complete and utter B.S. on May weathers part.
Manny deserves a fair percentage, he's half of the biggest fight of this generation. Why should he settle for 20-25 million flat?
If it grosses 200 then half off tops goes to the ppv provider right? so how much of that goes to show time? those won't be the only two splitting the whole pot.
u think?? lol.. manny will get the same amount as floyd's pass opponents. if manny was to leave bob manny would be hopeless and floyd knows this. its gonna be no more than $10mil. and floyd will say some shiiet like thats better than nothing and his fans will ride with it saying who else is pac gonna fight that will gurantee him $10mil.
I think that is a legit question though. If he does leave Arum what other fights can be made that could get him big money? I guess he could sign with GBP and run through the 140/147 roster they have. He might have to go up a bit and fight Canelo at a catch weight.
That deal seems harsh considering he got 18 mil vs Brandon rios.
I think it will be a harsh deal! I think there is still money to be made on a Provod fight but how much can he make on another Tim Bradley fight?
It kind of sucks that only a few years ago half the people on this page were outraged at the thought of Manny being paid 40 mil for the fight. Since then it seems fairly clear whose career has been more hurt (at least monetarily) by the fight not happening. I really feel like Mayweather might be an ******* and rub more salt in the wound and low ball him. Like the same deal he gave Canelo plus 5 mil or so.
The article would carry more weight to me if it didn't use King and Tyson as an example for what Bob is Doing with Manny. Didn't Tyson sue king and win over money he was owed by king?
Personally I like when they pair fights like this together. Having possible future opponents on the same card (alvarez and mayweather) is just good for business. I am confused as how anyone could complain about this. Any REAL boxing fan wants building netter undercards like this to become a standard practice.
It frustrates me that matches that people want to see can be held up because the two promoters (people aren't even going to step in the ring) could have issues where they are unwilling to work together.
There seems to be too many people involved that really don't care about the health of the overall sport only that they make the most money possible. In what other sport does money prevent two combatants from fighting?
how would you feel if the giants and patriots the two best teams in the NFL did not play each other because they could not agree on the money split, where to play the game, or what kind of field to play on. People would go crazy. This lets you know boxing has fallen off because these issues come up on a match by match basis and only avid boxing fans seem to care.
I am also a fan of both. They offer different styles but I appreciate what both of them bring to the ring. I am not sure how many dual fans there are but its nice to know there are some around. Ill be sure to remember the names here for when I want to have a serious non bias discussion about these two.
I am really starting to get the feeling that Marquez is truly not interested in this fight. Or at least is trying to leverage how much Manny wants a rematch against the proper split that should be given.
Clearly based on drawing power they split should not be 50-50 but there are extenuating circumstances that have altered the normal state of negotiation between these two.
In the 3 other fights it was them coming to the bargaining table after a close decision where both were wanting to get a definitive win. This time they are negotiating with one of them having a very large chip to leverage against the other: A clean knock out.
The fight does not seem to carry the same weight with Marquez that it used to. He doesn't sound hungry to get back in the ring. Manny has to feel a little ansy in that at the time of the knockout he was in control.
Basically if Marquez really doesn't want the fight then having his offer turned down doesn't mean much to him. This all comes down to how much Manny is willing to give for a shot at redemption.
I challenge the thread starter or anyone who thinks Marquez is ducking Manny to ask themselves: had Manny in any of the previous 3 fights knocked Marquez out in similar fashion would you have wanted to see them fight again after that?
The only reason why these fights kept going is that all the previous had controversial endings. How was Manny doing Marquez a favor when after every fight it was clear that there was no consensus on who won?
This was the first fight where there can be no argument as to who won it thus should be the end to this saga.
Man, Floyd worshipers bringing up testing again. It's mind boggling when their hero tested positive three times and got away with it. It would be the last topic I would bring up if I were a Floyd worshiper. It's embarrassing. Don't know how the mind of a worshiper works, but it's certainly not normal. How is this normal? My hero asked for extra testing. Here he is getting tested positive. And I'm concerned about the other guy's issues?
Well I brought up the topic because I am not a floyd worshipper so at least in that way your logic holds true. But I do wonder about another aspect. I read the article about the writer who spoke on the positive tests. Was there any other source that you used to confirm this? Surely you aren't forming such a strong opinion on the positive/negative test results of a fighter based on one source.
And this is not to say that Floyd is a clean fighter. I give no one the benefit of the doubt when it comes to using PEDS in this era. Everyones test negative until the actual time they get cuaght. This question is simply asking do you feel this will have any significant role on his legacy. I hate the fact that any thread that mentions their two names always has to turn into a *******/***** war.
Damn you see how bad its gotten the words Pac.tard and flo.mo can't even be used anymore lol
I like to watch Mayweather fight but I just scratch my head as this opponent. Maybe he wanted a lower hanging fruit to help brace himself for a more intense fighting schedule?
There is only one opponent type that Mayweather is missing from his resume. He has the skilled veterans, he has young lions, but he doesn't have that skilled veteran who still has his physical prime.
I would have said Sergio before this most recent fight. I think age is catching up. Really I just don't see how Canelo can't be next. There might be a large group of hangers on who would still like to see him get in the ring with Manny (me included) but I just don't think that will happen.
He has another shot to get a guy whose skilled, elite, and in his prime on his resume. I would be greatly disappointed if he lets this one slip him by too. I think this would also be a stain on his legacy as well.
LOL you guys say the same thing everytime he fights...
lol you are right. Being that all this is hypothetical what is probably most likely to happen is it does decent numbers and we all move on to the next fight.
there is pretty much no talk about this fight whatsoever. usually by now I would have heard my casual friends bring it up and **** but not once.
My guess is that Mayweather has built his career on being the guy that many people are wanting to see lose. In his other fights, in the fight build up they were able to build some buzz around the opponent actually having a chance at beating Floyd.
So you would get more people talking about it because there was some semblance of a challenge. I have not talked to anyone who is giving Guerrero a real shot at winning this. So there doesn't seem to be much buzz coming from the idea that Floyd could lose. Without it, all you have left are the more hard core boxing fans who will watch Floyd no matter who he fought.
Random testing is year round. It's useless if it's nominally done within two months, minus 14 days. It's also useless if it's conducted by USADA. Berto, Peterson and Mayweather demanded test. Berto and Peterson got caught by VADA.
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The year round has to be the next step towards legitimacy when it comes to a testing system. When and if that ever does happen then I think we will look back and question those who only did partial testing. Since we haven't even been able to get every fight involved in this partial testing we are forced to take baby steps.
I really should have done a poll. But it sounds like most people believe this won't have any effect on his legacy. Even with that aside its clear PED's are an issue. What do you think it will take for real OST to happen in boxing?
Will he be remembered as coward, ducker, faking his retirement and vacations to avoid tough competition , beating women, beating the mother of his children in front of them, when they tried to stop him beating their mother he threatened to kill his children, went to prison because of this, poking men, throwing his father outa his house, giving frozen turkey to the poor without a place to cook, mastermind of carpark shooting, Pac you are next but I never said that, my health comes first before Pac, I want 100% all the PPV against Pac, weight cheating Marquez, sucker punching Ortiz, failed his own OST on 3 occasions, etc..?
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I Think all of those things are a part of him and each person is going to subjectively choose which things to emphasize over the others. I imagine if you like him you would remember more of the positive things and if you disliked him more of the negative. But for those who choose to remain objective and stick to in ring accomplishments he will be remembered as a Olympic bronze medal winning five-division world champion, who has won eight world titles and the Lineal championship in three different weight classes. As well as the most financially successful boxer of his era.
mandate it, make it the standard
stop this crap where it's done on a fight by fight basis
if it becomes regulation, it looks a lot better
not used as a bargaining ploy or a spite tactic
just fucking have everybody do it
until then, on the whole, nobody really gives a fuck
it's caught on with some other fighters, so press for it universally
I agree with everything you said here. Who should be the group to enforce it. The athletic commissions? promotional companies? maybe have the USADA of VADA take it completely over? Not sure which would be the best way to go about it.
Whatever the reasons were, unlike Floyd, Manny did not accuse his opponent of taking PEDs before signing a contract. Yes there have been several issues/rumors on USADA of late but can't say if that was the reasoning behind going with VADA.
No ideas? lol. Well I think he does feel a certain way about how Marquez performed in their last fight but rather than making accusations (not smart) he would rather start having testing be apart of his fights.
People need to realize that there is NO other sport where the charge to test its participants have been led by the participants themselves. This is not commissions or sanctioning bodies promoters or managers calling for better testing these are the fighters themselves. I am glad to see Manny join the movement just wondering what took him so long.
Well there you have it! Now for the Rios fight Manny will do USADA testing. I feel like this is what he should have done in the next fight after the Floyd negotiations fell apart to prove Floyd was lying about testing being the reason the fight fell apart. I guess better late than never though. But now I do wonder what made him decide to do the testing after all this time?
Again, this goes back to a time when PEDS were not the issue they are today and Pac owed nothing to Floyd over false accusations that Floyd ended up being sued over. The only thing that will hurt his legacy will also hurt Floyds and that is the obstacles they both put up to a fight between them. If Pac had used substances of any kind over his career, something would have turned up. If every champ was currently testing and he wasn't, then he stand out. He doesn't.
I see your point but I think you understate his position in the sport by comparing him to other champions. Manny stands out by simply being Manny, name one other Champion (besides the obvious) who is averaging a Million ppv buys a fight? has the resume that he has?
Really I just don't see what kept him from jumping on the Lets clean up boxing band wagon. I wonder with the speculation around Marquez would he ask for testing if they were to have a fifth fight.
Not a big deal .... I have no problem agreeing with you that it may have had something to do with Marquez and now Rios hiring the controversial "conditioning coach" Heredia who admitted to cheating ..... but didn't Heredia say that he is ahead of the game when it comes to beating any form of the current testing protocol?
Yeah thats the other side to this that does make you wonder what can be done. Even if these guys are starting to take tests if the latest and greatest drugs can already bypass those tests then what else could be done.
Yeah I didn't intend it to go down this way But I am 100% positive that not one person who commented on here about why Manny doesn't need to take the test are going to come back and give their opinion on him taking the tests now.
Is he giving in to public pressure? Does he truly feel Marquez was juicing and now sees the light? I also want to hear him say why he decided to start testing now.
Great job of picking out some of the gems in there Big Dunn.
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you forget they gbp, floyd & co have a court case pending related to the peds/slander issue.....
Really? I thought those cases were dropped? Didn't GBP apologize and everything? Asking for the test is one thing but accusing someone of PED usage with no proof is another.
First of all, Manny was willing to against Floyd but too many roadblocks got in the way.
BUT now this other nonsensical type of questioning made by Floyd fans can be shut down and the next one can begin ............. NOW!
Which I saw it coming a mile away and stated so on numerous other occasions which is "Why now and not then .... hmmmm?"
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my initial statement kinda throws a curveball into that because since DAY 1, Manny said OK to more than was required but they just didn't agree on Floyd rules on the cutoff date .... but like they have since that DAY 1, Floyd fans will avoid those facts like the plague!!!
So in your opinion what do you think made Manny decide now was a good time to incorporate testing into his fights? What statement do you think he is trying to make? Also he chose VADA over USADA which seems in line with the earlier talks that he didn't trust the USADA.
So should we not bother caring whether any boxers test at all? It sounds like most of us are pretty jaded about the whole testing thing. I feel like this whole era might just end up having a shadow of steroids cast over it. Honestly I really don't think there is anyone who isn't using some form of PED to give them an edge.
AGAIN!!! The fact that Pac is mentioned IN THIS THREAD when he is NO DIFFERENT from other champs who have NOT done random testing is what stands out like a sore thumb! Pac is NO DIFFERENT from them and Floyd got his a$$ kicked by the court over his accusations.
Richard the reason why I didn't ask this about any of the other champions is because none of them have the fame and accomplishments that paq has.
Honestly I think there are a lot of people using. And like I said in my first post there is a high likelihood that the test they are using now won't catch the latest and greatest drugs.
What I am asking is will it make a difference that he never took a test? will we care? And my personal opinion is that he could have shut Floyd and his entire team up about testing if in the very next fight after the Floyd stuff fell apart he tested. Then there would be no way Floyd could still run around saying he didn't accept testing.
Floyd tested positive three times and it didn't even stir any ripple in the mainstream media. And here are these clowns telling me Pacman's legacy is tainted because of the testing issue. The accusers had four years to prove his guilt in court. Nothing. Pacman was on 60 minutes honoring him. Same show with a Barack Obama segment. I was waiting for the peds issue to come up there was none. If you want a definition of mainstream, it's 60 minutes. Keep fooling yourselves, though.
I think this never did anything in the mainstream media because no solid proof every came out that this happened. I remember Gabriel Montoya claimed to have NSAC sources to substantiate the 3 failed test claim but nothing else came from it. I honestly can't recall, did anyone other than Gabriel offer any evidence to support his claim? Did he ever talk about what happened to his sources?
Really my question is what evidence do you look at with this 3 failed test situation that makes you believe it is 100% true? Now I'm not saying this is false clearly their have been some cover up attempts in the sport. I just wonder what makes you believe this so strongly with such little evidence?