It was so refreshing and I loved it.
You could also tell no ego's entered that ring, it was just comparing skills.
I have always said that if you are good enough people will always watch you. No need for stupid antics or disgraceful behavior. It is just a sign of insecurity.
Inoue and Nakatani weren't occupying themselves with numbers, only with the fight itself.
I also blame fans. When a fighter doesn't resort to dumb behavior or insults he is quickly called boring and he has 'no personality'.
a right hook, which seemed to momentarily buckle Joshua’s legs
For a moment there, I thought I was lost and landed on Boxing...24 (no idea why the name of this website is censored)
Unbelievable this, I am not even going to dignify it with an insult..
2 years ago I wanted to analyze Usyk to see where he was vulnerable. I just looked at the notes and think it is still valid:
- Usyk can’t fight on his back foot
- Body shots, obviously. He has no poker face when it comes to body shots. He really shows a reaction to them.
- When he uses his high guard he leans to the left or right to step out. There are times that he leans too far and exposes his sides. He got caught and hurt this way against Beterbiev.
- Head movement opponent. He has a real problem connecting then. In the first fight, the few times Dubois was showing head movement, Usyk missed about 6 punches in a row. (Dubois never countered him).
- He works a lot of of his jab, if he can't land it, he isn't comfortable. It messes with his rhythm. That's why he likes the stand-straight-head-in-the-middle guys.
- In-fighting. He has no in-fighting game and can't deliver any real power from there. He likes distance, so don't give him any. You have to crowd him and throw body shots like you mean it. But of course, this takes great stamina.
Usyk's strong point is mostly that he can keep his output very high even though he's exhausted and he gets exhausted, you can tell. He stops moving around a lot.
A heavyweight who also has great stamina, won't buckle mentally and takes advantage of the above has a really good chance of defeating Usyk.
(and use a lot of feints, don't let him read you)
Nobody has stood in range and exchanged with canelo. all these guys ran fight scared or in bivol's case he has excellent distance management and was like 32 and larger than canelo. bivol still didnt go for the KO either he must have felt canelos power and decided to stay with the dominant UD.
Crawford thinks that because his walk around weight outside of camps is 180s that he is the same size as canelo. This is not the case. When canelo was 154 crawford was at 135. Canelo is fighting guys with out of camp weights nearing 200 and those guys are afraid of his power.
I think at some point crawford will have to make a decision does he want to go out on his shield or does he want to have a moral victory of going the distance and winning a few rounds.
Not true. Bivol literally put his head against Canelo and dared him to hit him in the later rounds. Then slapped Canelo twice, when Canelo did is his typical left hook to the head. And when Bivol sat down he said to his coach 'I want him to throw punches at me'. You don't say that if you are the least bit worried about your opponents power
Also people seem to forget there was another fighter who didn't run at all......John Ryder
I really am not interested in whether or not Crawford can ko Canelo but how people are thinking about ko's/hurting your opponent is wrong IMO.
People like Canelo and GGG have massive necks because they do a lot of strength training of the neck, so trying to hurt or stop them with hard, straight punches to the nose or (high on the) cheek will have almost zero effect.
You saw this when they fought each other. They caught each other flush but their neck was the reason nothing happened.
The focus should be on the temple and glancing blows to tip op the chin (corner of the mouth) for example and let the effect of the punch (disturbing balance and spatial orientation)go to the legs.
Also, Derevyachenko badly hurt GGG to the body. His chin is/was indestructible but another target can still have the same effect.
Long story short..anyone can be hurt with the right shot on the right spot.
(big piece, I know.)
I rewatched a large part of Canelo – Scull. Yes, I took one for the team..
Now I was particularly looking at Canelo and he was even more terrible than I thought.
Besides that he now has developed some kind of weird looking grandpa walk in the ring, I noticed a few other things as well.
If Crawford/Bomac analyze Canelo they will see the same:
- Canelo now basically has only 2 positions in the ring where he likes throwing punches, because he’s become that slow and his stamina is getting worse and worse.
He hardly throws any punches when in the center of the ring anymore. Scull was standing in front of him a few times and Canelo did nothing. He just waited until he could follow Scull in a slow walking pace unto the ropes. Only then he’ll starts looking to throw.
The other position is when he can put his head against his opponents head, so he can throw hooks and uppercuts (he tried this with Bivol and got embarrased) He also does this in training.
So the current Canelo needs his opponent to either stand still against the ropes or stand still in front of him.
- His defense isn’t elite anymore.
- The few times Scull did throw, he tried to do what Bivol did.
Canelo doesn’t bring his hands back to his face when throwing, so Scull tried to get him in between his punches.
If Canelo throws a double jab you know a straight right is coming. Scull landed flush one time after countering Canelo after his double jab.
- Other that his timing is getting quite poor now, he telegraphs a lot.
Canelo always or for a long time has the habit of taking a huuuge step with the left foot, both for his shovel hooks and his straight. He becomes a sitting duck if he misses. Crawford will probably bait him with this, step back, make him miss and then counter.
Where Crawford can tactically hurt Canelo is also something that Bivol said, after sitting ringside for Canelo – Scull: fighters let Canelo do what he wants to do. If he wants to fight he can fight, if he wants to rest, he can rest.
Bivol didn’t allow this and forced Canelo to fight when he wanted to rest.
If Crawford can mess with Canelo’s rhythm, he will start to struggle with his stamina big time very early I believe.
So, the biggest question marks for me are how/whether Crawford (can) handle the punches if he gets hit and how Crawford’s own stamina will hold up in this weight class.
If both hold up I believe he has big chance of pulling it off.
My thoughts exactly, that he didn't look good from the beginning.
But I didn't think it was because he didn't train properly but that he just looked very worn-out, old, tired and uninspired from the very first rounds.
He doesn't want to face anyone dangerous anymore but you see that he also lacks the motivation for these type of fights.
If he keeps on fighting, one of these days one of those cherry-picks who might not show up for a paycheck but for his belts, will get the better of him.
Btw. I believe Canelo is only matched by Devin Haney on the p4p list (if you still place them on that list) when it's about not stopping an opponent in more than 3,5 years.....
For someone who people (and he himself) believe is a powerpuncher, that's incredible.
Another thing, does anyone else get the impression that Canelo's power is also declining?
He always had to work hard for his power, by putting everything into a punch. It isn't like a Beterbiev were it comes natural and who keeps his power when getting older.
Power= force x velocity and Force=power x acceleration.
Both velocity and acceleration have dropped.
I think it should be held against him slightly, but not be the defining thing in his career. Dude had a great career and fought great fighters. Can't really say he fought till the death in any fights. Good for him not having to do that, but that type of fight would give him bigger stripes...
That's true. The deepest he had to dig was against GGG, apart from that he never had to show real heart or the ability to turn the fight around when in trouble. Something that other great fighters have always shown.
And people are still (right or wrong) talking about whether Pacquiao was over the hill when Mayweather fought him. You think that they will not talk about Canelo not fighting Benavidez? Especially if Benavidez keeps heaving great wins. Whether GGG ducked Ward, whether Froch ducked Calzaghe? These things never go away.
About not fighting Benavidez, the thing is that Canelo has a huge ego (the reason why the Bivol loss hurt so bad, because he was humiliated and he admitted seeing a psychologist after the loss).
I think he underestimates what this will do to him and his image (also in Mexico) when he retires, it will bother and frustrate him imo, people's reminders.
Btw. He will also not fight Bivol again (unless Bivol can't lift his arms and move his feet anymore), which means Canelo never avenged a loss in his career..
I don't know why anybody that loves boxing would be interested in (nonsense) that fighters will say.
I don't want boxers to talk trash, I want them to take their/our sport seriously and perform and preferably regularly.
Btw trashtalking today is almost exclusively used by fighters to hide how flawed they are. Just a show of insecurity until they're found out.. From Fury to Rolly Romero.
Teofimo is an embarrassment and not only when he opens his mouth (he brought his old Ring belt to the recent Ring ceremony :pat:)
I much rather watch all those fighters you call 'boring' like Beterbiev or Bivol who live in the gym, have no interest in all this artificial nonsense and just focus on their skills to do the talking.
Usyk and it's not particularly close. Bivol is a fantastic fighter but Usyk is on another level.
Strongly disagree. It is the other way round.
Bivol hasn't got any clear flaws or weaknesses. Everything is just elite. Only thing anyone can mention is his ko ratio but that is part of his style, working on winning every round.
Usyk main asset is his workrate. His opponents can't keep up, so if it is even for the first half, he always comes on top in the second half.
Usually his fights are really competitive for the first 5-6 rounds.
And he has never fought anybody (and is unlikely too, with the current heavyweights) who also has a great cardio and workrate.
Also, a big difference technically: When Usyk has to move backwards, he shells up. Punching going backwards isn't his thing.
Bivol is as effective in punching coming forward as he is going backwards, like no one else in boxing. His attack patterns are also very hard to read.
- - P4P Canelo is a 3 division champ with a long, stellar fight history, so by that measure, Bivol as good as he is lacks the gravitas of Canelo's record.
Bivol beating Canelo in a bout above Canelo's best weight is as meaningful as your delusions.
Pray tell us when Bivol will compile a record like this_
Has a record of 22-2-1 (10 KOs) in world title fights (secondary/regular belts excluded).
Has a record of 20-2-1 (7 KOs) against former, current, and future world champions (secondary belts excluded):
" Bivol beating Canelo in a bout above Canelo's best weight"
And hasn't Canelo done the same with other fighters? And when they lost were they going around crying they believe they were still better than Canelo?
And pray tell us what any of Canelo's past or records have to do with him losing badly to Bivol and not being man enough to be gracious about it and compliment his opponent on his performance (which he hasn't done once since the fight)
Look how Bivol took his first loss (even a loss where a lot of people said he actually won)
After the Mayweather fight Canelo also was full of excuses ('he only hit my arms')
It tells a lot about someone's character and self confidence how they handle defeat.
No idea if this was posted already ..:D
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And to think Ali went an entire round against Liston of all people and couldn't see out of both eyes.
This must be the ultimate example comparing today fighters with yesterday's...
What I took from all this, is the realization how incredible unprofessional Davis actually is.
Takes his eye of the opponent, drops his hands and starts talking to the ref mid-fight. He has done this in multiple fights.
Thinks he can just stop fighting and walk to his corner to wipe his face and than continue without a problem.
I don't believe there is a conscious 'I can get away with it'. He is behaving like it is a spar..
He rationalizes it afterwards but I think it could be involuntary behavior when he gets anxious.
He was behaving very erratic, also in his corner.
Didn't he say he started talking to back to someone in the audience in the Rolly fight to help him relax?
Lomachenko fights in spurts, which costs himself rounds. He is indeed passive a lot of times.
Taking that 12th round off... I still find it hard to believe.
You're the challenger, you're fighting in someone's else backyard, the opponent face is unmarked, no knockdown or standing 8 count, no pummeling him all over the ring and....you take the last round off. I think that was incredible amateurish.
I like for instance how Bivol ended his last rounds both against both Canelo and Ramirez, very determined. That's how you close the show and take away any doubt.
Btw Lomachenko didn't want to hurt Commey because he liked him
There is footage, when he was asked (by the promoter I think, don't remember) when they were waiting for the result "why didn't you finish him" and Lomachenko answered "he is a good guy". Everybody seems to like Commey, even the insufferable Teofimo Lopez jr ánd Sr....
GGG did look old and his punches looked slow in his last fight.
His stamina surprised me however and how he got better as the rounds progressed.
If Canelo comes in with the same 'gonna knock him out' strategy as against Bivol, throwing power after power shot, I think he will be in a lot of trouble if he can't stop GGG in the first half of the fight. GGG will look to up the pace and his output.
Even though he is 40, I favor him a bit if the fight goes this way. GGG is still a hard man and can dig deep, which is something I started to have doubts about with Canelo.
Canelo doesn't really have a pokerface which is kinda strange with his experience.
If he is tired or frustrated, everyone can see. When he is tired he seems to just go through the motions, doing the same thing.
You don't see him with unwavering belief, bite down, with body language that shows a real will to win when it gets hard and he is really tired (like old school Mexican fighters i.e.)
Anyway, everyone is expecting him to defeat a 40 year old, so he's got a lot more on the line than GGG....
The question and answers focus on the (politics) of the sport boxing, not on boxing itself.
I don't like a lot of things outside of the ring but how I feel about boxing hasn't changed. And even if I my feelings change about boxing today, I can still lookup old fights/fighters and rediscover why I love boxing.
Boxers need everything: technique, stamina, power, alertness, reflexes, stress control, pain tolerance..... the list is endless. And the fact that lacking in any department could literally put you life at risk, sets boxing apart from all other sports.
Personally, I like to watch boxers with great technique. To me that's just like watching art.
Sugar Hill didn't even talk with Fury about the fight. When he arrived Fury "put me on notice that possibly this fight might happen, and that was pretty much it"
So much for him and his "training camp"...
"I spend plenty of time with Tyson, now it's Lawrence Okolie's time"
Sugar Hill sounds very disinterested in what Fury does or doesn't do. He's moved on.
https://youtu.be/JF5L0MhRdrg?t=201
The thing is, Usyk has now put Fury in a difficult position not only with his image but also his career.
His image, especially in Britain, has taken a very big hit and then you look at his options for any sort of meaningful fights left:
Wilder(4), Chisora(4), White(2) or Wallin(2), Schwarz(2)
or facing AJ or Joe Joyce.
If he can't make a deal with Usyk how is he going to make a deal with AJ, who has no belts now but is very unlikely to accept a 30-ish / 70 split? He'll have to pay him more than Usyk.
And I don't think he fancies fighting Joe Joyce.
And he is in a difficult position because he fears retirement.
He wasn't in the gym preparing for Usyk (Sugar Hill wasn't training him, he says he was just using his gym for Okolie), Fury's in the gym to keep away the demons in his head.
Sugar Hill and Okolie were in the gym with Fury last week, so he definitely was working with him. Obviously not now because the fight is off
But Fury has been with his strength and conditioning coach and his nutritionist for weeks, and Sugar Hill joined them last week. So they certainly were expecting a fight, whether it was against Usyk or not is another matter.
Sorry, that's incorrect
https://youtu.be/5nATdhKoGE4?t=148
Watch the whole interview. Sugar Hill says that he was only in the UK for Okolie and was leaving the 28th.
You don’t become unified champion being average. You sit there in front of your computer with your speedos trying to pass judgment. Spence lost for the first time in his career to a superior boxer, whether he was 100 percent or not he lost . Does he have mitigating circumstances that could have attributed to the shoddy performance I would say yes. After that arse whooping he may well be average as only he knows what he has left but to say he was a hype job your mouth is getting filthier by the day. You don’t kiss your mom with those same dirty lips do you?
And people have the nerve to complain about not seeing big fights, fighters not wanting to risk anything and saying to hell with the fans...
When they lose they 'never were any good' and were bums all along.
Maybe Tyson Fury just has been seeing a lot of reactions to high profile fights...
i would say more of an embarrassment for the heavy weight division than boxing as a whole
THIS.
Heavyweight IN THIS ERA is different from the weight classes were actual skills matter. So I am not really that upset.
If an MMA guy is going to challenge the likes of Inoue, Davis, Crawford, Canelo, Bivol ... their cheque might just cover their hospital bill.
(MMA guys now suddenly start talking.
When a guy who makes video's for a living was face planting their champions one by one they were all very quiet...)
That "guy who makes videos for a living" has been training boxing seriously for 5-6 years with access to high end resources, sparring partners, coaching etc. And which champions did he beat?
As far as the other comment about the lower weight classes. I dont think any MMA guys could challenge Inoue, Bud etc level fighters obviously but I wouldnt be surprised if some of the better MMA boxers could beat a few guys in the top 30 even in the better divisions. Its not exactly inconceivable that someone like Max Holloway could outbox lets say Ekow Essuman is it?
Well, if you want the details it becomes even more embarrassing..
Jake Paul has a wrestling background and started training striking far later than MMA'ers.
After 5-6 years Paul's technique is still terrible and his only 'professional' fights were fighting other YouTubers and a basketball player before dropping/face planting 4 professional MMA fighters with a combined fighting record of 129 fights.
2 of them where former UFC champions and 1 a former Bellator and ONE champion.
I still think AJ can beat him ... if Joshua can find his balls.
I don't see many ways for Usyk to beat Fury.
Pretty sure Wilder KOs him.
Ruiz is a good fight I'd bet on Usyk to win.
Whyte's basically the same as Chisora.
Ortiz would be a decent fight in the first half.
Parker is pretty easy work for Oleks.
Joyce is too slow and hittable to worry about.
Zhang's unimpressive. I don't get the appeal.
Hrgovic's another EE Frankenstein. The kid ain't got it.
Wallin might actually be good.
Martin's a fun win for Usyk.
I can't think of any other top HWs at the moment.
If you look at the list, all fighters miss qualities that are essential to beat Usyk - excellent stamina, head movement and real aggression
No 15-round fighting stamina among those. Only Wilder dóes have real aggression when he attacks.
All are pretty 'soft' heavyweights if you look at it. No comparison to the hard men of the 80's/90's
Frank Sanchez has the right qualities, he won't act timid or hesitant against Usyk, like Joshua and Dubois. But his most serious opposition 'til now has been Ajagba.
I liked the Joshua vs Usyk 2 far better than how he is looking now with Derrick James. He should have continued with that style, work on stamina and let his hands go.
There he showed level changes, head movement, faints and more output.
I didn't like how he got caught with those jabs and also was thinking about Spence when I saw it.
And doesn't James believe in faints??? Spence also wasn't fainting at all.
I turned it off after he went into the crowd and started bumping fists with everyone.
He really does act strange after a fight, why would you do that?? It shows that he STILL is very concernd about what people think of him, no matter what he says.
That he's hanging with that degenerate, attention wh*re McGregor is bad enough but everybody knows the guy is a heavy drug addict, both recreational and peds and you still have to pass a post-fight test...so drinking that gross liquor from his glass was one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen around a boxing match.
He'd most likely pick up a belt from somewhere, worse guys did in the 90s. But I dont think he'd be in the running for top HW of that era, nor would Fury. For one Lennox wrecks both of them. Even "past prime" 90s Mike could have been a serious threat to Usyk too considering Usyks weakness to body shots.
Mike Tyson would be a nightmare for Usyk in every single way.
Usyk would be on the back foot for as long as the fight would last
One of those signature Tyson hooks to the body and Usyk would go all Golota vs Tyson "Get me the f*ck out of here!"
Mike Tyson in his prime would be a nightmare for any HW in history - for 5/6 rounds. If Usyk got up on his toes and moved like he did against Gassiev for the first half of the fight, he would definitely have a chance of against Mike.
Sorry, but there is zero comparison between Gassiev and Tyson.
Gassiev stands straight up, Usyk likes these kind of opponents (Joshua, Dubois). The few times Dubois showed head movement Usyk was missing his punches. (One time it was 5 or 6 punches in a row)
Tyson had insane head movement ánd he would counter.
In the Gassiev fight Usyk was engaging plenty in the center of the ring. You couldn't do this with Tyson and how would he evade all body punches for even 5/6 rounds? 1 body punch from Tyson could end it all and if not it would end your legs.
Also, Usyk has the habit leaning left or right when he steps out with a high guard. Sometimes he leans too far and exposes sides. That's how he got caught against Beterbiev. Recipe for disaster against a prime Tyson.
Just a reminder...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHNoRfz8Pt0
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eIWCdDL7Cy8
Because he wouldn't be able to beat guys like Michael Moorer, Oliver McCall, Bruce Seldon, Frank Bruno.....come on man.
He'd be fighting guys his own size, and that would cause him to struggle?
If Frank Bruno would catch him only one time, Usyk would have flown right across the ring and wouldn't get up. I don't thing you realize what an incredible brutal puncher Bruno was.
His punch was once measured at 1,420 pounds, enough to accelerate his opponent's head at a rate of 53 g -- that is, 53 times the force of gravity.