Canelo is still the guy at 168.
Ramirez is a cruiserweight champion.
Beterbiev is top 5 p4p.
Bivol is 2-1 against actual top 10 p4p guys.
Not many active guys have such a resume.
Bivol clearly.
Joshua and Fury woild be bums if they fought at 175.
Usyk us a great fighter But he just doesn't have to ve cery skilled. He fights guys much worse than Canelo or Beterbiev.Strongly disagree. It is the other way round.
Bivol hasn't got any clear flaws or weaknesses. Everything is just elite. Only thing anyone can mention is his ko ratio but that is part of his style, working on winning every round.
Usyk main asset is his workrate. His opponents can't keep up, so if it is even for the first half, he always comes on top in the second half.
Usually his fights are really competitive for the first 5-6 rounds.
And he has never fought anybody (and is unlikely too, with the current heavyweights) who also has a great cardio and workrate.
Also, a big difference technically: When Usyk has to move backwards, he shells up. Punching going backwards isn't his thing.
Bivol is as effective in punching coming forward as he is going backwards, like no one else in boxing. His attack patterns are also very hard to read.
Bivol being short for these weights but outboxing everyone as he fights like a tall guy is testament to Bivol being a master boxer
Its definitely a good match up i want to see soon. Maybe after Beterbiev 3 and Benavides
add in the fact that Jai is rangy southpaw
While Bivol isn’t long for these weights but boxes like a tall guy
Usyk and it's not particularly close. Bivol is a fantastic fighter but Usyk is on another level.
Strongly disagree. It is the other way round.
Bivol hasn't got any clear flaws or weaknesses. Everything is just elite. Only thing anyone can mention is his ko ratio but that is part of his style, working on winning every round.
Usyk main asset is his workrate. His opponents can't keep up, so if it is even for the first half, he always comes on top in the second half.
Usually his fights are really competitive for the first 5-6 rounds.
And he has never fought anybody (and is unlikely too, with the current heavyweights) who also has a great cardio and workrate.
Also, a big difference technically: When Usyk has to move backwards, he shells up. Punching going backwards isn't his thing.
Bivol is as effective in punching coming forward as he is going backwards, like no one else in boxing. His attack patterns are also very hard to read.
but who is better pure boxer between Usyk and Bivol
Bivol clearly.
Joshua and Fury woild be bums if they fought at 175.
Usyk us a great fighter But he just doesn't have to ve cery skilled. He fights guys much worse than Canelo or Beterbiev.
Bivol vs world title winning opposition:
W vs Jean Pascal UD 12
W vs Joe Smith Jr. UD 12
W vs Canelo Alvarez UD 12
W vs Gilberto Ramirez UD 12
L vs Artur Beterbiev MD 12
W vs Artur Beterbiev UD 12
other notable wins: Sullivan Barrera, Isaac Chilemba, Lenin Castillo, Lyndon Arthur, Malik Zinad
He's well deserving of his P4P #4 ranking, and he will have more opportunities to rise if he keeps fighting and beating quality opposition. Benavidez, the Beterbiev trilogy, and a potential move up to cruiserweight would all enhance his legacy. And he wanted to move down to 168 for a Canelo fight, but Canelo refused.
Take away Canelo and 40 year old ass Beterbiev and that’s a terrible resume. Nothing but a bunch of nobodies, Malik Zinad? Really?
Canelo was the reigning WBC and Ring belt champion when he fought Floyd. Get out of here with that nonsense.
And he also got his ass whooped by GGG twice, he just got gifts on the scorecards both times.
The first fight was close and controversial, the second fight Triple Ducks face looked like pounded hamburger meat and he left the ring crying like a little b itch, couldn’t even stay for an interview, that’s not “whooping someone’s ass”. 0-2-1. Keep crying.
Canelo was the reigning WBC and Ring belt champion when he fought Floyd. Get out of here with that nonsense.
And he also got his ass whooped by GGG twice, he just got gifts on the scorecards both times.
Lol how many fighter's do you know reach their peak aged 23? Therefore, you can't compare a young, green and weight-drained Canelo Mayweather fought with the 31yo Bivol beat.
Re GGG, I agree but it's a matter of opinion plus I'm only referring to official losses.
Jai is a well schooled boxer
bit basic and quite hittable though having already had a broken jaw
it’s be an interesting match as Jai is a pendulum, much longer than Bivol, and loves the step back
Its definitely a good match up i want to see soon. Maybe after Beterbiev 3 and Benavides
Also, let's not forget he's the only fighter to hand Canelo his first 'PROPER' loss since he was just 23yo and green when he fought Mayweather. Therefore, Bivol has handed 2 top p4pers their only loss to date in addition to popping Zurdo's cherry!
Canelo was the reigning WBC and Ring belt champion when he fought Floyd. Get out of here with that nonsense.
And he also got his ass whooped by GGG twice, he just got gifts on the scorecards both times.
Canelo is still the guy at 168.
Ramirez is a cruiserweight champion.
Beterbiev is top 5 p4p.
Bivol is 2-1 against actual top 10 p4p guys.
Not many active guys have such a resume.
Also, let's not forget he's the only fighter to hand Canelo his first 'PROPER' loss since he was just 23yo and green when he fought Mayweather. Therefore, Bivol has handed 2 top p4pers their only loss to date in addition to popping Zurdo's cherry!
Jai is a well schooled boxer
bit basic and quite hittable though having already had a broken jaw
it’s be an interesting match as Jai is a pendulum, much longer than Bivol, and loves the step back
It should be Bivol`s cash out fight before retirement.
Jai is actually really good. I favor Jai over Bivol
Jai is a well schooled boxer
bit basic and quite hittable though having already had a broken jaw
it’s be an interesting match as Jai is a pendulum, much longer than Bivol, and loves the step back
Now waitaminute last I remember
Canelo is a short fat ducker that cherry picked his way get the belts at 168
Beterbiev is 40, last I remember, everyone past 35 is over the hill, not in their prime and at 40? That's ancient
Zurdo???? LOLOLOLOLOL
beterbiev is overrttaed and he beat him when he was 40. bneterviev co uldnt even cut the ring off, zero jab, and doesnt move hjis head,.
Beterbiev is top 5 p4p. keep on crying.
Zinad was the #5 TBRB ranked light heavyweight in the world at the time of the fight. ESPN and The Ring also had him ranked. It's not an amazing win but it was a KO win against an undefeated, world ranked contender.Zinad deserves another shot on a major card
Zinad Buatsi
why win over Zinad so good again?
Zinad was the #5 TBRB ranked light heavyweight in the world at the time of the fight. ESPN and The Ring also had him ranked. It's not an amazing win but it was a KO win against an undefeated, world ranked contender.
Bivol vs world title winning opposition:
W vs Jean Pascal UD 12
W vs Joe Smith Jr. UD 12
W vs Canelo Alvarez UD 12
W vs Gilberto Ramirez UD 12
L vs Artur Beterbiev MD 12
W vs Artur Beterbiev UD 12
other notable wins: Sullivan Barrera, Isaac Chilemba, Lenin Castillo, Lyndon Arthur, Malik Zinad
He's well deserving of his P4P #4 ranking, and he will have more opportunities to rise if he keeps fighting and beating quality opposition. Benavidez, the Beterbiev trilogy, and a potential move up to cruiserweight would all enhance his legacy. And he wanted to move down to 168 for a Canelo fight, but Canelo refused.why win over Zinad so good again?
I like Usyk, but, honestly, Canelo and Beterbiev are better fighters than Fury and Joshua.
Usyk's resume is much deeper than just Fury and Joshua (TBRB rankings used, secondary and interim titles ignored):
W vs #2 Krzysztof Glowacki UD 12 (reigning and future WBO cruiserweight)
W vs #10 Marco Huck TKO 10 (fmr. WBO crusierweight)
W vs #6 Mairis Briedis MD 12 (reigning WBC cruiserweight; future WBO cruiserweight; IBF/Ring/TBRB/lineal cruiserweight)
W vs #2 Murat Gassiev UD 12 (reigning WBA/IBF cruiserweight)
W vs Tony Bellew KO 8 (fmr. WBC cruiserweight)
W vs #1 Anthony Joshua UD 12 (fmr. and reigning WBA/IBF/WBO heavyweight)
W vs #2 Anthony Joshua SD 12 (fmr. 2X WBA/IBF/WBO heavyweight)
W vs Daniel DuBois KO 9 (ftr. IBF heavyweight)
W vs #1 Tyson Fury SD 12 (fmr. WBA/IBF/WBO/2X Ring/2X TBRB, reigning WBC/lineal heavyweight)
W vs #1 Tyson Fury UD 12 (fmr 2X lineal/TBRB/Ring; WBC; WBO/WBA/IBF)
Other notable victories: Thabiso Mchunu, Michael Hunter, Derek Chisora
8-0 vs top 10
6-0 vs top 5
5-0 vs #1 (or #2 if Usyk was #1)
10-0 vs fighters that won a legitimate world title
5-0 vs reigning world titlists
3-0 in unification fights
12-0 in world title fights
4-0 in lineal world championship fights
23-0-0-0 overall record, 14 KOs
Cruiserweight: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
Heavyweight: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed (plus IBO)
2 division lineal world champion
2 division undisputed world champion
2 division world titlist
Notable achievement:
-Usyk is 10-0 in his opponents' home countries and 5-0 on neutral ground, including 3-0 vs the A-side fighter in Saudi Arabia
-One of only four men in the 3/4 belt eras to be undisputed in two weight classes (Holyfield , Crawford, Inoue)