I think there's definately a lot of merit in this idea. The only problem is that in reality it will be so hard to enforce in a sensible way. Yes you could always try and merge the sanctioning bodies, but there is virtually nothing you can do to stop new ones being setup to fill the voids.
Once an opportunity arises to promote a big money bout all it takes is for someone with enough cash to label the fight a world title fight, and all of a sudden you'll have a load of other fighters looking to get in on this new world title which brings more money or is easier to obtain.
I tthink the main problem with boxing comes from the fact it is very easy to put on a world title fight compared to the equivalent in other sports (world cups...etc).
So it doesn't take too much effort for two fighters, who've had enough of the federation or want to make more money, to simply break away and put on their own fight. And lets face it, if the fight is big enough the fans are gonna pay to see it regardless of who's sanctioning it.
Money Mayweather doesn't have one.
He does..........it just hasn't been updated for about 5 years.
Pretty lame effort from a guy looking to go mainstream
Kelvin Davis, Dale Brown, Daniel Judah, and Emmanuel Nwodo. One Nigerian, Two thugs, and a Canadian who beat O'Neill Bell (the judges beat Dale Brown on the scorecards but Brown beat Bell in the ring). No rednecks, all rated higher than Enzo's victories and thus a much better run than Enzo's. And please don't say champion when talking about a paper belt, Haye is the Champion and Enzo a titlist. I LOVE this fight between Haye and Maccarenelli for the division, but Enzo has trully no credentials, but he is a big name fighting for a big promoter who doesn't snort all of the money he makes off of fights. And Enzo has a big name trainer, and while Wilson isn't the most skilled or anywhere near the best of the division, when it comes to "deserving" a title shot, he is higher than Maccarenelli in regards of credible opponents and exciting highlight reel victories. Haye will demolish both and a Enzo/Wilson fight would be a hell of a scrap.
Yeah I agree with you. Whilst the WBO can mean something depending on the holder, in Macca's case it is purely a paper title. In fact I fear for career ambitions if he loses cos he doesn't have the resume to ensure quick title fight. Although I guess with Haye vacting his belts no-ones gonna be surprised when Macca gets another shot at the.........oh dear, i feel i've been down this route of discussion already.
Unfortunately this fight isn't gonna be able to reignite the division cos if Haye wins he'll simply move up and we'll have the usual scramble for vacant belts, and if Macca wins somehow i don't see him taking on allcomers so he'll never be able to hang onto all 3.
Update guys........ Found this link on another website. It's on some movie at the moment but apparently the fight will be on after.
http://www.mobilequebec.com/index_Radio_Canada_Live.htm
If you click the "Media Extrene" link, you can go to Media Player and make it bigger or full-screen. And it doesn't seem to work in FF, only IE.
This is a good thread, ignore the guys who can't be assed to do some reading.
What this comes down to is whether Floyd should simply do what is sensible for him and his career by protecting his interests, or whether as P4P king he has an extra responsibility to try and be the saviour of boxing by giving the fans what they want.
For me personally, Floyd is just another guy. So given the fact his career could end in any round of any fight, and he's only got a few years left in the sport, he is fully entitled to do what he wants irrespective of what we would all like. If he decides WW guys are too big and risky for him then we need to accept that because we ain't gonna be the ones changing his diapers if he goes the way of Michael Watson.
Update guys........ Found this link on another website. It's on some movie at the moment but apparently the fight will be on after.
http://www.mobilequebec.com/index_Radio_Canada_Live.htm
If you click the "Media Extrene" link, you can go to Media Player and make it bigger or full-screen. And it doesn't seem to work in FF, only IE.
I've just realised it's in french though, which is crap. But i guess it's something for anyone who doesn't have or can't use sopcast
Just watched it without laughing this time and got to say it really ain't that bad. I know it's fun to dump on Kellerman but this shit is alright especially his lil' bro who had a pretty tight flow.
yea they make some nice money. I don't understand why delahoya wasts his money on popular trainers and the same thing with guzman its not like they are going to learn anything else. If i was oscar Ill get a average trainer he doesn't need to waste his money on big names. Look at taylor he took manny and he actually regressed.
Its not about whether they are going to learn anything else. It's very hard to make an objective and unbiased assessment of your performance and training, so it is always good to have an outside opinion from someone who may be able to notice small things you are unaware of.
The popular trainers tend to be popular because they are the best at picking up on the small things that make the difference at the highest level
well, in boxing, drug testing may be an issue, so you may have to smoke accordingly.
beleive it or not, many boxers smoke including floyd mayweather. obviously, not right before a fight. but it will help you relax and deal with minor pain.
Interesting post and i'm not saying i don't believe you, but how exactly do you know a lot of boxers including Floyd smoke weed. It doesn't sound like the kind of thing he would ever admit to.
Eating it is a different issue altogether i guess.
But the one thing we do know is that smoking is DEFINATELY bad for lungs. That is 100% true. I can't give a concrete opinion on the coordination and reflex effects, but the effect the lungs ain't good. It may not be as bad for some people as others but no-one in there right mind can argue that smoking weed is good for your LUNGS.
Just a thought......It must be damn amusing to watch Hatton struggle at the start of a training camp, running around, sweating and panting with all that excess blubber.
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Ha.......just spent 10 seconds thinking the term "jeggin" over and then the meaning hit. What a loser you are.......you've got your little schoolyard insults when most people who've got something to say just say it.
Man boxingscene never ceases to give me jokes
are you too finding boxingscene is full of young clowns who know very little about boxing?
it amuses me to no end some of the crap that gets written here.
So true....although i must admit i've never come accross another site quite like this, and in many ways i think i'm growing to love the atmosphere around here.
I guess it's a lot more entertaining than the usual forum where anything and everything remotely controversial gets erased. At least here you can give the fools a piece of your mind and expose the nonsense.
read your karma message and HOPE for the best
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Like I care man..........do whatever you feel you gotta do. To be honest I feel pretty proud to have manged to annoy someone that much with words alone.
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"jeggin".....what am I supposed to be bothered by that. I have no clue what you are on about. If you've got something to say, say it in a way that makes sense.
And incidentally, whatever it is you reported me for, the chances are you've done the same thing in the karma message.
That'll be Frank Warren with 2 World Champions (well, 3 if you count Arthur, which I don't) with the WBO belt, 1 of whom is also unified champion and P4P top 3 (at least)? It's hardly the sort of cabal Don King had going with one or two of the sanctioning bodies .....
He does have some clout with the WBO though. Mind you, it was the Brits who first gave their belts some meaning so that could be why.
Yeah I get what you're saying. It's just that at times it seems too many warren fighters go down the same predictable route.
What are the chances Amir Khan will one day end up with the WBO belt, remain undefeated for 5+ years fighting 95% in England, then all of a sudden start calling out big names accross the Atlantic for a Vegas superfight.
But hey, I guess we all know boxing's a business and when it comes to maximising career earnings Warren's one of the best.
The fighter doesn't get taxed so you can take that out of the equation. Yes the get taxed but its up to their discretion if they pay it, its not automatically taken out. Sanctioning fees are paid by promoters generally. Manager gets a cut anywherer from 10%-25% depends on the contract. I know managers who pay the trainers themselves and boxers who pay it, it once again depends on the contract and of course the lower the manager % the more likely the fighter pays the cornermen. Then the promoter usually gets a cut if they don't promote the fight. Like when Don King loses a pursebid, he still wins, because he gets a % of the purse of his fighter. But basically after taxes and fees (training camp expenses are always paid by manager or promoter; if not the fighter needs new management) the fighter will walk away with 650K before the 350K taxes if they pay them so 300k out of 1mil. A smart fighter will sign a contract where the fees come out after the taxes, in that case they can make another 120k so that would be 420K. I can give breakdowns if necessary but this is a basic estimate off the top of my head.
Great post. I'm guessing in that case that most big-earning fighters these days have "methods" of ensuring the tax payments are avoided.
Let's face it, boxing being boxing means these money obsessed fighters aren't gonna give away one penny more than they can get away with. It's a shady sport at the best of times let alone when a fighter's cash is on the line
going with what the OP said.
ONE Million Dollars:
- taxes 10%
- sanctioning fee ( i remember hearing Carlos Baldomir did not pay the IBF when he beat Zab Judah because he didn't want to pay all those belt's sanction fees, so he never got the belt) 2-5% ???
- managers 20% ???
- trainer 5-10% ???
- promoter 2-30% ???
- cost of training camp ???
- corner 1-5%
just throwing numbers around from what you guys said above, a fighter makes one million dollars on a fight and keeps only 30-20% of it?
Is it just me or the sanctioning fee another piece of boxing political b***s***. The idea of having to pay to to hold a title doesn't seem right, and i know the federations need to get money from somewhere but they can't they just get that through sponsorship.
Someone correct me if i'm getting this all wrong, but it seems the sanctioning bodies get paid for doing relatively little other than the use of their name.
Yeah i completely forgot about the sanctioning fee. I really don't know how much that costs typically but it wouldn't seem right if the fighter had to foot the bill. Maybe that's the reason fighters don't seem so keen on unifying a division these days, lol.
I do agree that the Enzo-WBO belt shenanigans are a bit silly. It really is as though the WBO was setup purely to give Warren's fighters easy access to world title they can defend for several years whilst remaining undefeated.
Then once they've milked it for all it's worth go to the US with the aim of getting a "superfight" off the back of their unbeaten record and "world title". I always try to stick up for the sport when my friends go on about how corrupt it is...but sometimes you have to wonder whats going one behind the scenes.
Does anyone else reckon we should have more stickies in the thread list. Something to cover major upcoming bouts & the Mayweather-Cotto saga, so we don't get hourly Mayweather hate threads and the other topics that seem to consistently creep up
how does, or can the the ibo need to progress though to become a 'recognised' major belt ?
It's a very informal process. It just comes down to public and and media perceptions.
Big names choosing to go after a belt and making the effort to protect it will give any belt the credibility to become recognised worldwide. Once this happens in enough weight classes the organisation itself will become recognised worldwide and by the International Boxing Hall of Fame, which currently only recognises the WBC/WBA/IBF and not the WBO incidently.
A good example is in the 1980's when Larry Holmes chose to relinquish his WBC title in order to accept an protect the IBF belt. This established the IBF as the "third" sanctioning body, and a legitimate organization.
Hope this helps somewhat.
life has taught me that most of the time that "hush money" is paid it is indicative of guilt.
let's just say theoretically, that this same thing happened to another celebrity and let's just say it was Bill Gates. Can you see him paying hush money to resolve an issue of this nature?
From my experience it usually indicative of guilt over something else that remains unexposed such as if for instance the pictures were fake, but he was involved in someother type of business he dont want uncovered
Malignaggi doesnt committ to his punches in his fights because he's more speed based. If you committ to punches with your body it's hard to maintain the same speed. If he were to throw all of his body into a straight right, he'd punch a lot harder than most realize.
Damn straight......more people need to realise this. Paulie simply doesn't find it helpful to sit down on his punches. It doesn't help his style which is based around beating opponents through an accumlation of hits.