KingGilgamesh

Nothing, but Americans think old timers that were mostly just domestic fighters (boxing wasn’t as international as it is now) are the greatest thing. He was a slow footed heavy handed puncher. Overrated because Ali beat him. That’s the only reason. He’s top 20 ATG because of his demographic and because he fought back in the day when the “real killers” ruled boxing. He won Olympic gold at 19 and was the oldest heavyweight champion during the 90s golden age. What the fuck are these comments?

Wow, no I believe you, I wouldn't ask an internet character just to be skeptical. You feel like you re-gen plenty in a min rest too? Dude, you're special. Most HWs are sucking wind because the minute rest is unfair for HWs. Small men regenerate energy more quickly than large men. To be huge and be able to go like you're not huge is really really rare. You should do something with that blessing! Go play football or some **** homie, damn. Sadly I'm in the UK, no gridiron here but I actually played for a London team a couple years ago And yeah but I go HAM on my cardio. I do literally a shitton and conditioning training. Its taken me years to be able to comfortably go for rounds and, even then, pressure fighters are still a bitch. Thanks for the kind words tho.

Boxers take nice hard crushing body shots and fight on like it nothing What do other athletes endure that as painful as fighting on through a hard blow to the organs MMA. Taking kicks to the body are even more painful.

How big are you? 6ft4 273lbs 10% body fat I know it doesn't sound believable but...yeah

That angle makes it seem tougher but they do fight for less time too so that might even out more. MMA taps out at 25 minutes & 90% of the time just 15 minutes. Boxing of any high level is 30 minutes & 36 minutes max. This discounts the minute long breaks between a round. 5 minute rounds are hell. Anyone with rudimentary professional level conditioning can recover fairly well after a minute.

MMA is tougher TBH, if you've ever wrestled you'll know this.

he cherry picked a Fury that was out of the ring for roughly 3 years, overweight, drug issues etc. thinking it was going to be an easy win. Wilder never wanted to fight him, the man has never fought a legit top fighter in his career, only did the rematch because the first fight was controversial How can you not want to fight a guy you fought twice?????? What the hell are these takes about?

Wilder had less then 30% accuracy his last fight . It means nothing to you because you don’t talk facts rarely on here . https://boxstat.co/bout/2919977/deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury You base a boxers accuracy off of one fight? The fact you had to do that only further cements my point loool And I bet cash you actually looked yourself.

You can't just go after one fight, Martin got hit by heavy leather against Kownacki and didn't get stunned and managed to make the fight very competitve, I had it a Draw and if it would have been a 12 rounder Martin would have won, Martin has improved a lot since the AJ fight, and AJ is much more accurate than Wilder No he isn't. Go to compubox right now and find out for yourself.

Meanwhile the UFC is thriving... A couple years ago people overstated the effect the UFC was having on boxing. Today I think the talk of boxing possibly being on the way out are legitimate. As much as I hate the model of the UFC and how poorly it pays its fighters, it has almost completely taken over combat sports. Boxing will always be the premier sport and the one far more suited to gaining crossover, pop-culture traction but the two biggest fights of recent were between a youtuber and a basketball star and two retired HoF. There are pockets of hope like Garcia, Davis, Spence and Crawford but they're lacking in strong, active opposition. Joshua, Canelo and maybe Fury are the bigger players but, when you really think about it, I feel their audience is primarily people who follow them rather than boxing fans who cite them as their favourites. Now contrast this with the UFC...Jones, Ngannou, McGregor, Adesanya, Khabib (who I am unsure will permanently retire), Masvidal, Diaz...there are a bunch of potential crossover stars. Far more so than boxing and, pretty much every division has a bunch of strong talent. This is not the case in boxing. Lets say that Garcia lost his last fight with Campbell, his entire momentum would have gone down the drain. This very reality is now beginning to hurt boxing.

Wilder barely throws punches and misses most power shots ,look at compubox there . How is that an indication of accuracy when you do more moving then hitting ? A.J is the most accurate heavyweight boxer out there . This means **** all. As I said, go to compubox and see it for yourself.

Who cares? Fighters quit all the time. I'm not sure how we're even speculating on a fight which doesn't even have a date.

Punch power is not generated from the arms, its from the core and the legs. Hence why harder hitting fighters tend to be those who sit on the punches and are relatively flat footed. Footwork is essential to good power output and superman punches pretty much counter that logic by the fighter not being on the ground. They're really only served to act as a feint of sorts but little more.

Biggest 2 problems with having Wilder face Martin is 1, Martin is dangerous to Wilder, Deontay gets outboxed by complete bums and Martin has basic Boxing abilities and can punch. That's a big risk for a career cherry picker like Wilder. And 2, Martin faced and got destroyed by Joshua, uncle Al doesn't like to put Wilder in with ppl Joshua has beat if he can help it. They don't need Wilder struggling with ppl Joshua handled with ease, he deems it bad for business. Didnt he wipe out Breazeale in 2019? Whats up with Joshua fans always being either cucked white boys or completely stupid ****s??

How is it that I as a Black man has never heard of any of these people even though I watch boxing on YouTube all day everyday, yet all y'all keep finding these weirdos to be offended by constantly? Its because they're racists. I notice these "LDBC" videos barely even clock 2k views most of the time. If you spend any time watching boxing media on Youtube, you wont even see those videos in your feed. For me its mainly BoxingSocial, Sky Sports, ESPN and BT. Look at the third post in the first page. Already mentioning "accountability" and bringing up BLM and George Floyd. What the **** does any of that have to do with boxing?? Though, at the same time, despite his silliness and excuses, its why I kinda like Wilder. As a big black dude myself, outrage at Wilder reminds me of every ***** made white boy who hates openly proud (to even a fault) African American boxers who dare to have an opinion. Hell even Ali, despite his greatness, was hated by much of the American public far large parts of his career. Wilder is a perfect heel type for the Trump supporting tossers who hold immense animosity about black men who they have to cross the street from anytime they see one in real life.

A+ side: meaning they can fight a broomstick & make 8 figures regardless Saul Alvarez Anthony Joshua Honorable mention: Manny Pacquaio A- side: meaning that they need a good dancer partner but will always earn the lion share base on resume, ppv sales, fanbase, etc. Ryan Garcia Errol Spence Gervonta Davis Deontay Wilder/Tyson Fury This is mostly right and 12 months ago I would have said this was the case though I think things might be changing ever so slightly. This recent fight with Pulev generated 600k viewers (a great number when compared to a lot of the meh numbers for cards in the US) which is actually somewhat of a decline. Canelo is on DAZN obviously, but talk of his recent negotiations with PBC make me think he is concerned about exposure. I think before Canelo and Joshua were very much the bearers of boxing but I actually think the public may be getting hungry for some new blood. Tyson Fury would be in a great position to take the mantle but he lacks marketability and has a penchant for taking bum fights in between his big paydays. I actually think Davis and Garcia are very well positioned to be future superstars. I also legit still think Wilder could scrape big numbers in an American heavyweight PPV off of notoriety alone. Spence I think may have hurt himself slightly by not staging this needed showdown with Crawford sooner but I blame both sides for that.

Also homecooking is also a big reason why British fighters end up not progressing. I mean take for instance the first Fury Wilder fight where it was scored a draw. TBH its not even the most egregious card ever seen...but it allowed Wilder to settle into a comfort zone thinking his right hand will always bail him out. If he had lost that fight he likely would have been forced to go back to the drawing board. Brit fighters often get hometown decisions all the time and thus, the moment they fall out of their comfort zone they absolutely crumble. If anything, I think our fighters in the UFC are far more adept to performing in foreign and unfamiliar environments. British boxers get too many home comforts and thus end up disappointing on the world stage when they have to fight in Vegas. And yes, even as a Brit I will happily admit Vegas is "the world", its where the massive paydays are made and where you're exposed to the largest paying audience.

Those are good wins. I think Joshua has has some good wins too. I really like British boxing because it appears to be mainstream sport over there. Here boxing has its moments in the spotlight but is by far secondary to Hockey. We rarely have local shows and so on. So it must be fun to have domestic enthusiasm for boxing. We do have some similarities in that our top guys usually lose when they step up and we really support our big fighters (Bute, Pascal, Lemieux). Be prepared for a bunch of *******s to respond to your thread. This is true, boxing is very mainstream over here but I think it also lays the groundwork for excusing poor fighters and having them lauded as the best thing since sliced bread. Thankfully, this is only really exclusive to the heavyweight division these. The talent in divisions like welterweight, lightweight, bantamweight and supper middle weight is just too deep for people to run around claiming guys BJS, Taylor or Smith are the best out there. I'm not exactly a massive fan of granting ridiculous plaudits to fighters before they've really "earned" it because it often ends up in them being ridiculed and turned upon when they fall short. For instance, take a look at Amir Khan, in reality he's up there with some of the best in his era. He legit could have given a solid fight to Mayweather, but because he was so absurdly overrated by much of the British press, he was ridiculed mercilessly when his chin issues were revealed. I see similar happening to Callum Smith. What I also find rather strange is that are truly talented guys...people like Froch, Fury and Lewis rarely actually receive the praise their career achievements deserve. I mean, take a look at Dubois who recently lost to Joyce. There was really nothing to suggest he really even belonged in the top 10...yet he was hyped as the next Joshua. And then you have a guy like Joyce with an amazing amateur record and one of the strongest pro resumes despite only having about 13 fights and he's treated like a bum. Its an odd country.

Fooking curling gets coverage on the news when UK does half decent at it, is that mainstream too you dafty? You gonna pretend football isn't a million times more popular in the UK? LMAO multiple stadiums of tens of thousands nearly every week, all week and on the same days across the whole country compared to the occassional AJ fight and Froch groves that one time? Rugby, Tennis, Cricket, F1 etc get shown on BBC & ITV channels way more regularly and especially for intenational comp they just that much more popular and you hear more people talking about it in day to day life. Like I said boxing isnt' mainstream Fury & AJ are, Joyce Dubios was a pretty high profile fight for UK boxing and broke through a bit it's not regular. The only time you see the a decent proportion of the nation get behid boxing is for AJ, Fury and the olympics. You're whole language reads like you are pretending to be from the UK or just not living in the real world with the rest of us. How can I pretend to be from England? WHY would I pretend to be from England?? Seriously?? This is what I am talking about. No, curling is not mainstream. Joshua and Fury are well known for the same reason Khan, Lewis, Benn, Eubank, Froch, Calzaghe, Groves and plenty others were well known. Our mainstream talent gets big coverage the moment they are decent...because boxing is mainstream. Don't know many curlers though do you?? Guys like Spence and Crawford would be ****ing national heros if they were British. They're virtual unknowns in the US, even guys like Garcia rely heavily on either social media or the heavy presence of Mexicans in the US. Are you legit trying to say that all three wouldn't be a MASSIVE deal if they were from here?

Would you rather be a boxer or a boxing celebrity? Boxing and celebrity have pretty much become intertwined. TBH its not a big issue in many sports where sanctioning bodies have pretty much total control over fixtures, nor is it an issue in the UFC where the sole promotional body dictates matchups. The issue with boxing is that said celebrity ties directly into future negotiation for any kind of fight. One can call themselves the "A-side" even if they're coming off a loss to the very opponent they're fighting. Its a double edged sword because whilst I like boxers being paid their worth these days, it does create more complications that ultimately hurt the sport.

You don't get punched in the head for a living so you are unaware that Boxing is also a BUSINESS Find another thread that easy going and tickles your fancy! The NFL and NBA, EPL and UFC are also businesses. At least three of them consistently generate higher turnover year on year whilst the players earn more than 99% of boxers. Boxing would benefit greatly from both centralisation and unionisation to prevent abuse/exploitation. I fear that if UFC fighters get their fingers out of their asses and get serious about unionisation, it will likely kill boxing for good. Boxing has been able to retain some pedigree because of UFC/Zuffa's obsession with undermining their talent pools, but if UFC/MMA fighters can command boxing paydays whilst maintaining competitive integrity then it will even further damage boxing US presence.

I Like garcia but honestly just like alot of boxers hes got some mental issues . Hopefully oscar takes notice and gets him some help . alot of people in general have mental issues and those people dont seem to recognize their fellow people with similar issues so they **** on them like idiots . Thats why i dont really badmouth people like Julio cesar chavez jr , ryan garcia , adrien broner deontay wilder etc... im sure taking punches for a living doesnt help matters for peeps who already deal with issues . we Have lost some legends aswell who couldnt cope with their issues and met tragic ends . its a sad sport at times and the keyboard warriors just pour fire on the flames because thats what *****es do You cant be "sane" in sports like MMA/boxing. Its essentially unarmed death matches with a few rules in place to stop people from dying.

Of course he didn't. Wilder nearly died last time, he doesn't want that smoke. Sorry but this is stupidity, you were here in November claiming that Wilder didn't want the fight then and that Fury would surely be fighting on December 5. We're now in the middle of January going into February and Fury hasn't uttered a word about these talks nor has he given even the slightest hint of any kind of ring return. He's in legal limbo. This happened a million other times in the music business where artists are pretty much tied to their label and cant release music due to their contract. They got a good cover in this virus meaning that no one wants to see any megafights anytime soon but lets just stop with this nonsense. Arum's word literally means dust, they likely haven't even had a hearing so I have no idea why we're even listening to what Arum has to say.

Fair points but nothing will kill Boxing. It is the older than Football, Basketball & MMA. Every sport is a business and they are all run different based on the rules that fit within their perspective genre. You would never run Football like Boxing and vice versa. Yes, nothing can kill boxing but it can and has been undermined. When a service as big as DAZN is literally holding up cards for UFC events then it should be a concerning reality facing modern boxing, especially in the US where competition from UFC is fiercer. Yes, boxing wont die but I dont really want to live in a reality where promoters are literally changing the timing of events/cards to prevent clashing with anything UFC related. I dislike the entire model and culture of spectator MMA immensely so the last thing I want to see is boxing declining stateside.

LMAO Boxing isn't mainstream over here and definitely not "Very mainstream". People only know Khan, AJ and more recently Tyson out of the current fighters. And the majority wouldn't be able to name a single opponent of theirs, the best you'll get is probably "that fat kid from up". I'd be surprised if asked 1/10 random people on the steet knew who Josh Taylor or Kell Brook was. Are you even from the UK or just pretend to be, to talk rubbish? The Joshua/Pulev and Fury/Wilder fights were featured on BBC News you dumbass, how on earth can you claim boxing is not mainstream??? BBC Sport even had lots of coverage for Dubouis/Joyce. Fury used to first fights on channel 5 and there is always a huge coverage given to our Olympic talent. Its ****ing mainstream. Jesus, this is another thing that irritates me about Brits...knowing **** all about whats going on in their own country. The average person on the street probably couldn't even name five super league clubs, does that mean that rugby isn't our second most popular sport either??? How many people could realistically pick out Aubemayang out of a line up? Or Van Dijk? Does that mean the EPL isn't mainstream either??? Too many of you idiots live in a bubble in bum**** s****horpe or some **** and want to lecture on what is "mainstream".

Boxing is harder. In boxing, if you suck, there’s no way around it. There’s really no luck. In MMA, a bottom guy can beat a “top” guy. “Upsets” happen more in MMA than boxing for a reason. A striker/boxer in Holly Holm went to UFC and easily wrecked the top female fighter and darling of UFC. A master grappler who couldn’t get off on a stiker-style opponent. I’m not saying Ryan Garcia would dominate in MMA. He can go 0-5 for all I care. It just sounds like your comment is saying “if you can’t make it at the top in boxing, you won’t make it in MMA”. I think boxing takes more skill and the only enemy to real top fighters is age. I feel like the top and the bottom in boxing is more definitive. Upsets happen in boxing once a while. It seems like upsets in MMA happen every other card. This is dumb. Boxing upsets dont happen because the best often avoid fighting the best and decent fights can take years to take place. An inevitability when you have different promoters, managers and networks and then sanctioning bodies. The UFC acts as a unified body and, despite being competitive because of such, also seems to orchestrate itself in a way that no single fighter can supercede the value of the promotion. Dana/Zuffa don't want there to be too many McGregors who can move between sports and command high paydays, if that was the happen he would lose his stranglehold.

Was it AJ's fault that Ruiz trained for an eating competition, rather than a boxing match, and showed up for the weigh in looking like a sumo wrestler? Did AJ know Andy was going to show up obese and unfit to fight properly? The facts are that AJ came back from a crushing defeat and won the rematch convincingly, and it was one of the biggest fights if the last 2 years. Its absolutely not his fault. But its the same reason you dont hear anyone took about Lewis' second fight with McCall. Wasn't exactly Lewis fault that McCall was drugged out of his mind and crying in the ring but its not going to be regarded by many as some amazing win either. Not going to deny it was a massive fight either.

Arum is a lawyer and has been in the boxing game for a long time, i think i'll trust his opinion over some fans on a boxing forum. As for Fury not giving any hints about a ring return, that just isn't the case, he's been vocal about fighting AJ in 2021, he even said as much on prime time breakfast TV. Arum is a harvard educated lawyer who graduated with honours lol, is this somehow meant to make him more trustworthy??? LOOOL You're literally trusting the opinion of a guy who said Fury was going to fight in December lol. Jesus, some you are just...eugh. Arum may be competent but his word doesn't really mean ****. Kinda like Fury, he's a great fighter but his word has about **** all legitimacy most of the time.

Taylor also KO'd another unbeaten American, Ryan Martin, in his WBSS run. World wide, 2 of the biggest fights of recent years were the AJ/Ruiz and Fury/Wilder rematches, and the Brits beat the Yanks decisively in both if them. Ruiz came off a brutal KO the fight before and was 280lbs+, you're not going to sell that to anyone with even a pedestrian knowledge of boxing and there is a damn good reason why no one viewed it as anything spectacular. Even over here. It was seen as a job getting done and nothing more. Fury/Wilder has been the defacto British boxing performance but its largely an anomaly TBH.

How does a guy with with two losses, a draw and no title rank higher than a former world champion who lost to the number 1???? That makes zero ****ing sense.