Why is Boxing so Dead...

boxing needs 1 man per division, not 7+ yapping menlets ok maybe 2 top guys per division who have to unify after making a voluntary or 2 or something else that works to get rid of all the greedy grabbing fingers in the pie

The multiple ABC Groups & Promoters are a great one two punch of fookedupness for the sport. They divide the sport 4 times & then divide it another 8 or so times among the major promotional players. The sport is so much smaller cuz of all these parties looking out for their interest instead of boxing's interest. Correct. I wish we had more outspoken fighters who speak up for themselves, fighters who can tell us who exactly they want to fight and try to make it happen. Most seem muzzled by BS promoters. Davis is a prime example.

Its not dead, but its mos def not where it should be (among the upper echelon of sports). Promoters/Managers refuse to make the best fights possible, so we get watered down showcase fights most of the time. Like last weekend for example.....Plant/Truax, what a boring main event. Everyone has their own opinion but I thought it was a stinker. No kd's, no excitement, no NADA. Im not a Saul fan by any means, but at least he fought the guy considered #1 in the division, while dominating him. Plant put everyone to sleep not named Truax....

boxing becomes a joke after someone made the ducking, cherrypicking and avoiding trending which the young lions are doing right now.. too scared to lose their 0's while asking for a higher purse. so boxing is long dead..

2020 was a pretty good year. Alot of elite fighters fought eachother: Teofimo vs Loma Davis vs Leo Santa Cruz Crawford vs Brook Spence vs Garcia Canelo vs Smith I also believe Anthony Joshua vs Kubrat Pulev deserves a mention. While Pulev is not a top heavyweight, I think this win is certainly better than anything on Deontay Wilder's resume. But yeah, 2021 has not been good and we probably aren't going to any big fights. Ryan garcia is a prime example of why. Goes on a 2 week promo tour to hype up a fight then takes an exhibition that just got cancelled. I appreciate your optimism but 2020 was an atrocious year for boxing, one of the worst in recent memories. All of those boxing matches would have been put into ONE UFC ppv last year, a sport that had an amazing year because they constantly match the best against the best. Plus, only Lomachenko VS Teo was the only stellar competitive fight. And that’s only because Teo won, on paper it looked like a mismatch.

One thing that pisses me off the most is the promotional divide. This is my biggest issue moving forward. I don't care which fighter is signed with whom. The politics is just annoying, it was annoying when Don King used to try and control the HW division (At least we got the fights that we wanted), and it was annoying when Arum played that game not so long ago, and its annoying now that PBC are following that trend....

We can't blame everything on some virus. People have already got used to no crowd. No excuses. Don't overpay fighters, pay them what they are worth. A lot of fighters are finding the virus as an excuse to back off the planned events.

One thing that pisses me off the most is the promotional divide.

Not Dead BUT not as popular as it use to be and never will be popular as it use to be because the Alternative which is UFC is far more entertaining and they do a better job of not just marketing their sport but also being able to reach that younger Demo that boxing has never been popular with really if you think about it Pretty much. Boxing will carry on and still have spikes in interest every now and then when an AJ/Fury type fight happens, but its never going to go back to what it was when it was the only game in town. Its also a lot more prone to criticism now that theres something equally big to compare it to. 20 years ago if someone got annoyed with corruption, marinating or other boxing bull**** they wouldnt immediately draw a (usually unfavourable) comparison with the UFC, because the UFC was barely a blip on the radar at that point.

Nothing to be excited about these days, no big fights happening or planned, everything is kinda stagnant. Promoter and network fans outnumber real boxing fans. BS corrupt orgs. It's too depressing. Time for fans to stand their ground. Maybe we are losing our balls to say what we mean to these crooks. Facts, its pathetic

2020 was a pretty good year. Alot of elite fighters fought eachother: Teofimo vs Loma Davis vs Leo Santa Cruz Crawford vs Brook Spence vs Garcia Canelo vs Smith I also believe Anthony Joshua vs Kubrat Pulev deserves a mention. While Pulev is not a top heavyweight, I think this win is certainly better than anything on Deontay Wilder's resume. But yeah, 2021 has not been good and we probably aren't going to any big fights. Ryan garcia is a prime example of why. Goes on a 2 week promo tour to hype up a fight then takes an exhibition that just got cancelled.

Not Dead BUT not as popular as it use to be and never will be popular as it use to be because the Alternative which is UFC is far more entertaining and they do a better job of not just marketing their sport but also being able to reach that younger Demo that boxing has never been popular with really if you think about it Not a simple Solution of "oh just make the big fights" because what we hardcore fans consider big fights are not big fights to the rest of the world which will result into promoters losing a lot of money then will become reluctant to make other fights out of fear of losing more money So while Casuals are annoying, they're the driving force to a successful Event, it is not us the Hardcore because it is really not many of us Hardcore Boxing Fans left so this sport can't survive with just us supporting it. That is why fights on FOX, ESPN are extremely important and it is up to FIGHTERS to deliver when they're being showcased on those Network because it does reach a newer and much larger Audience So I blame the fighters themselves! Wanting Mayweather type of money and fame without working for it. Mayweather did not become a Superstar in this sport until he was in his 30's Also I know I was completely wrong when it comes to HBO and how important it was/is. You still have Casuals asking "WTF Happened To HBO Boxing?!" while I did not care for Lampley and the Bias agenda garbage...ESPN, DAZN. FOX all does the same thing so that was just a boxing politics thing not HBO after all

Everybody waiting on decisions from Pac and Canelo. You’ve got literally 3 whole divisions on standby waiting for 2 men. Add in 135 is filled with a bunch of undefeated talent and nine of them want to face each other. That’s the problem. This post and some others of yours have been making too much sense. You must have been studying my posting habits for a while now, and have started to put them in practice. Nice work.

Everybody waiting on decisions from Pac and Canelo. You’ve got literally 3 whole divisions on standby waiting for 2 men. Add in 135 is filled with a bunch of undefeated talent and nine of them want to face each other. That’s the problem. Basically this.....

Meanwhile the UFC is thriving... A couple years ago people overstated the effect the UFC was having on boxing. Today I think the talk of boxing possibly being on the way out are legitimate. As much as I hate the model of the UFC and how poorly it pays its fighters, it has almost completely taken over combat sports. Boxing will always be the premier sport and the one far more suited to gaining crossover, pop-culture traction but the two biggest fights of recent were between a youtuber and a basketball star and two retired HoF. There are pockets of hope like Garcia, Davis, Spence and Crawford but they're lacking in strong, active opposition. Joshua, Canelo and maybe Fury are the bigger players but, when you really think about it, I feel their audience is primarily people who follow them rather than boxing fans who cite them as their favourites. Now contrast this with the UFC...Jones, Ngannou, McGregor, Adesanya, Khabib (who I am unsure will permanently retire), Masvidal, Diaz...there are a bunch of potential crossover stars. Far more so than boxing and, pretty much every division has a bunch of strong talent. This is not the case in boxing. Lets say that Garcia lost his last fight with Campbell, his entire momentum would have gone down the drain. This very reality is now beginning to hurt boxing.

I really wish ppv would die. Love the subscription format - ie you buy your sports channels and boxing is part of it. Or you buy box nation and its got all the content. Also a small bit of freeview thrown in and available on top. boxnation relied on making deals with ppv providers in the US and airing that content in the subscription format to a smaller audience here who would otherwise not watch the ppv fight anyway. you think boxnation alone could do what dazn are doing? dazn can afford big fights because long term they're tapping into big data and opening to a global audience, so in time they can easily have 5m global subs for boxing alone paying $5 a month each, giving them $300m a year in revenue. However it takes serious money to bankroll the growth phase without running into cash flow problems.

Thank you. Covid. Pacquaio has like 3 or 4 guys held up. Canelo has 3 divisions held up. Not his fault. Then the 135 pounders and guys like Stevenson at 130 , who scream everyone is ducking them, but havent fought anyone. Example Haney, Stevenson. Then you have these guys like Paul brothers and these exhibition crap. Makes me so excited for Berchelt and Valdez and Taylor and Ramirez. Thank you!!!

Everybody waiting on decisions from Pac and Canelo. You’ve got literally 3 whole divisions on standby waiting for 2 men. Add in 135 is filled with a bunch of undefeated talent and nine of them want to face each other. That’s the problem. Thank you. Covid. Pacquaio has like 3 or 4 guys held up. Canelo has 3 divisions held up. Not his fault. Then the 135 pounders and guys like Stevenson at 130 , who scream everyone is ducking them, but havent fought anyone. Example Haney, Stevenson. Then you have these guys like Paul brothers and these exhibition crap.

I really wish ppv would die. Love the subscription format - ie you buy your sports channels and boxing is part of it. Or you buy box nation and its got all the content. Also a small bit of freeview thrown in and available on top.I never buy fights. I buy all the main boxing channels and they always show the pfv fights on them free within a week. I can wait and watch the same exact fight for free within 7 days and save a lot of money. Plus I record them first so I can fast forward and skip the endless commercials.

I don't think boxing is dead but if it is there is nothing I can do about it. If real boxing fans are the minority then they don't drive the market and we get junk like Tyson vs Jones and Paul brother garbage. Pacquiao may fight very popular but unproven Garcia instead of a top welterweight. The guys in power make the fights that profit them the most and not always the best fights featuring the best fighters against each other. Also some boxers and their promoters are greedy and demand more money than they deserve and are worth. Crawford and Arum for example.