thats just how those "people" are tbh...
What "people" are you talking about.
Pleaee expound your point and tell us what you mean by that statement.
Or are you going to hide like a coward like some "people" are know for being.
i was talking about brits.
what did you think i mean? 😃
I didnt know who you were speaking on. I dont think AJs dad being British has anything with the point AJ shouldnt have been in the ring June 1st.
AJs father had more info on AJs health than any jack@$$ on this site. No need for this kid to end up like Adonis Stevenson when he has plenty money and a bright future ahead.
Money and fame dont come before health. As I stated before that as a father you defend you children until your death. Money be damned, you put my children on harms why and you will lose something very dear to you.
Anyone who clowns AJs father isnt holding Hearn accountable for encouraging an injured fighter to fight. Eddie let pride and money get in front of a fighters health.
Getting knocked down 4 times is NOTHING to joke about or point fingers at. Im sure AJs father would be upset if AJ killed someone in the ring and the fighter was in no condition to fight.
So simply "framing" AJs dad as a frontrunner is plain wrong. AJs dad wasnt mad cus he lost its because his son should have never been on the ring on the first place.
If AJ was yelling and screaming in the lockeroom because of a panic attack because he was hurt and not ready to fight then he shouldnt have fought.
Fans dont care about AJs health. They are more concerned about the costs they incur rather than the health of the fighter. Most only care about the fighter cashing pride checks that the stupid fans wrote talking smack to other fans. Given the choice some fans rather see AJ die than to see the fight cancelled after they flew from the UK.
There is NOTHING wrong with what AJs dad did. Brit or no Brit, family comes first. £uck Money!!
No, he was not out of line. Eddie Hearn has been put in charge of Anthony Joshua's career and does all of Anthony Joshua's bidding for him. He drafts all of AJ's contracts and even rubber stamps them without his permission.
It was Eddie who chose the venue, opponent and date with no rematch clause for this fight. So in other words, he set Joshua up to fail. He not only has successfully managed to ruin Anthony Joshua's career but has ruined his own father's company Matchroom Sport as well.
Now Anthony Joshua stands to lose $Millions of dollars, since he is no longer the champion because of Eddie Hearn's arrogance, incompetence and stupidity. He even sabotaged the Wilder fight that AJ and the fans wanted so badly by attempting to marinate it for several years.
If it were my son Hearn would be in the Hospital or morgue right now. AJ was in no condition to fight.
Even AJ said after the fight he wished it was Wilder who beat him. Ive never heard that type of response from a fighter before.
AJ lost a guaranteed 50m plus rematch money in the 50m-100 range. People expected a KO in the Wilder fight so him going down hard
would not have been a big deal.
Hearn put himself into a bad spot with all the people from the UK coming, so he had to put on a fight after Miller canceled. But business NEVER should come in front of a fighters health. Eddie should have just taken his lumps and canceled the fight.
Instead his fighter lost and the rumors is he sent an injured fighter into the ring. The boxing commissions in NY and Nevada wont take this lightly and Hearn my be forced to take fights to Texas if he doesnt want to answer some tough questions in front of a boxing commission.
AJ is lucky he didnt die in the ring. I dont give a damn if 7-8k Brits paid good money to see AJ fight. Its not worth AJs life.
well if you are right joshua and his father got bullied by hearn.
if that is true then they only have themselves to blame.
and it means joshuas father is a disgrace for letting someone
force his son into getting savagely beaten up.
why should we care about his health?
did we force him to become a fighter?
its all good when hes beating up others though yeah?
well according to your narrative joshuas dad allowed hearn to exploit his son at the cost of his health.
that makes him a bad father.....
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Thanks for confirming you are a both bum and a coward.
No concern for the fighter and trying to blame AJs father for AJs trainers and promoters doing a bad job.
Just another tough coward behind a keyboard with no spine. Like "YOU" said, Hearn exploited his fighter.
Hearn is a bad promoter. 100m-150mil fighting Wilder is on the line because Hearn wanted control of the fight and wanted to be the big man on campus despite NEVER promoting an international fight.
Now his silly plan is turning to ashes and only a clown like yourself would co-sign that mess. Only a bullied insecure punks try play tough guy online by saying they dont care about a fighters health.
May God help you and I hope Karma doest greed you with a Semi Truck to your car next time you go to the store buy condoms and KY for you and your boyfriend.
It seems the condoms aint working because gonorrhea or syphilis seem to be rotting your batty boi brain.
Eddie Hearn is John Skipper's errant boy. Skipper wants the fight in the USA/Mexico at the normal PPV times.
Haymon, Skipper(DAZN), and Ruiz want PPV in the America's (Vegas,Mexico City). Because is equals more money for the purse.
AJ, Hearn want the UK because they want to get back the belts at all cost. AJs biggest claim to fame is thay he has the most belts. The UK fans bought into the scheme but who is to say that they are gonna stay on the bandwagon with another bad performance.
Why would a network tie themselves down with AJ when Ruiz, Wilder, and even Fury have potential to be bigger stars that AJ at this point. He has to destroy Ruiz and either beat Wilder or Fury to regain his status as the best even in his own fans minds.
Had he taken on Wilder earlier there wouldnt be any shame in losing a fight and a rematch and he could have still been considered the 2nd best of his era. He very well may gone on to do so.
But had he beat Wilder he would have automatically been considered a top 3 Hwy of All Time by his fans. A fight with Fury or anyone else would have been on his terms.
Now with the loss to Ruiz, AJ/Hearn cant muscle their way around with Haymon/Ruiz because both parites have something to bring to the table in a rematch. Skipper is the trump card who may want to woo Ruiz to DAZN so he can have a Mexican one two punch of Canelo and Ruiz on his network sometime in the future.
Even beating Ruiz inst going to make him top dog vs Wilder or Fury in any situation. The loser of that fight stiil has more clout than anyone who has lost to Ruiz at this point. And there is still no guarantee the Ruiz/AJ rematch even happens.
Im done listening to Hearn because Skipper is the person who is signing the purse checks at DAZN. With this rematch being a big deal we could see Hearn getting kicked out af negotiations AGAIN and AJ/Ruiz/Skipper/Haymond coming up with a deal.
The fight happens in Vegas and not Mexico with 120K Mexicans screaming for AJs blood like an Aztec sacrifice. Im sure some how a REAL blood moon could be worked into the Ruiz into but I think thats why was saying he wants 50mto fight in the UK. 80K drunk angry Brits who are pissy mad and pissy drunk because you slapped down their Superhero/model isnt going to be a friendly environment either.
Ruiz coming out the UK with those belts is going to be akin to an Indiana Jones gauntlet like movie except in this case the hero is fat and his signature isnt a hat its a Snickers bar and the evil baddy seems to be Hearn with AJ as the muscle henchman who could turn good once he is free from his evil spell the baddy Hearn as cast on him. AJ isnt a bad dude and if someone else except Hearn (even Arum) was promoting him he wouldnt have a good portion of the US and now Mexican fanbase rooting against him.
So Vegas will be a good compromise because its the best place for the UK fans to invade (no NYC PTSD) and the new Ruiz Mexican bandwagon (it used to carry lawn equipment) fans to meet up and scrap.
Why is WME trying to get involved in boxing??
I thought MMA was going to make boxing extinct/irrelevant according to White/MMA fans 10 years ago.
Wasnt boxing supposed to be dead after Mayweather, Dana??
Why should we as long time fans want a man who spent a good time dogging the sports controlling the best fights??
I have no problem with Dana selling his product, but I dont want this man or his propaganda team in boxing.
Rousey, McGregor, and Lesner were WWE type hype jobs that never lasted long enough to make the hype look legit. Like a previous poster said, they would have no problem finding the next roided Tommy Morrison and making him out to be the next Mike Tyson.
I could see WME letting their hype jobs siding on Drug testing like MMA. They need to get VADA testing and clean up their own promotion before I would say you could trust them with cleaning up the REAL biggest problem in combat sports: Drug Testing.
That shouldn't just be up to sports commissions. It should be a crime to take certain performance enhancing drugs and fight professionally. Or at least make parties civilly responsible so harmed fighters can sue for damages against boxer and their management.
I dont see how WME coming into boxing and creating some arbitrary prize worth a made of value is going to help things. It just seems to me that their MMA hustle has plateaued and now they want to get into a more stable traditional sport that has some very nice growth potential.
They may try to say their ability to cross promote both sports will grow both platforms but I dont see it being that simple. MMA fans spent a good part of a decade separating themselves from boxing fans. I know a lot of guys on this site wouldn't want a flood MMA fans(Floyd vs Conner) posting on this site. Nor do boxing fans want the MMA/WWE pre fight BS that took place to promote the fight.
MMA is manufactured and forced. And their biggest earner had to box in order to get his biggest payday then proceeded to give to rats ass about his MMA career after he got paid.
Why fight to be the best if WME is going to have most of the control of when you fight and make most of the money like MMA?? For some BS pride and WME made up trinkets?? For Dana White and his legion of followers approval??
This is PRIZE fighting were fights get made because the money is right and the two guys participating feel the money is worth enough to fight each other. Belts DONT MEAN JACK UNLESS YOU BEAT A REAL CHAMP TO GET IT.
Who you beat is more important than ANY award. Money and bodies are all that really matter. Unless WME is gonna pony up and get more money for boxers then they can stay in their manufactured lane and satisfy their fans who like that WWE type promotion $h!t.
Possession is 9/10th of the law. Andy possesses the belts therefore he has negotiation power.
LOL at all the contract" experts. Hearn still selling you an UK dream with an outside boxing match in December? I know a bridge in Brooklyn for sell too.
Did you really think Hearn could out Maneuver Haymon? Hearn got in bed with Haymon and stands to lose his grip on the Hwy division if he pisses of Ruiz or Ruiz beats AJ.
Eddie the Amateur has looked like a fool since fight night. Now he's cashing in on AJ and may leave his corpse in the desert to die after the fight (after he hypes the next Haney match of course).
If Ruiz drops the belts its a win/win for him. He can fight in Mexico vs Parker or Miller for big money and tell AJ to kick rocks. Pay the lawsuit with your newfound money and fame. You make more money w/o the silly belts sanctioning fees anyway.
He's the first Mexican Hwy champ and made history. It does matter how many times he defends the title because the only victory bigger than beating AJ is Wilder. He doesnt need a belt to get that fight or any other at this point.
The biggest duckers in the division are AJ and Fury and he already has AJ by the balls begging for a fight with the champ.
Need I remind you the only other fights AJ could sell right now are with Fury and Wilder. So it doesnt get easier unless he beats Ruiz. Maybe a bum gets the belts if Ruiz drops them and AJ can go back 2 square one but thats still a long journey for all those belts.
Ruiz is the champ and if you want him to fight you need to treat him as such and not cheap labor. Ruiz aint the lawn man with 100 scabs waiting to do the same job.
He kicked AJs ass. Hearn and company need to recognize the position he is a in and get the fight signed so his fighter can start preparing Asap.
Man it was too blurry. I nearly saw a U.F.O. trying to stare at it.
LOL!! Right. Thats how I feel right now. Like I saw a UFO while the entire world was watching me. LOL!!
This sucks. Because I know what I saw and there is proof. Please rewatch the fight. I'll post the fight if you want and timestamp what I saw.
Please explain the big a$$ cut on his face. Where did that UFO come from???
https://i.imgur.com/eERwBpi.jpg
So we just gonna act like Mannys nose isnt on Keiths ear and his mouth is on his cheek?? Keith didnt grab his left cheek after they get out the clinch. Why would I grab my left part of my face and take out my mouthpiece which could get the fight stopped.??? A punch to the right ribs makes your face hurt???
Manny giving Hickeys?? How did that blood end up on his face in the shape of a bit mark that is in the same pattern of a mouthguard??
A scar that was clearly not there before the clinch and clearly there after Manny makes contact with his face plus Keiths reaction.
Manny bit Keith. Maybe as retaliation but he difinately bit Keith.
As to why he would do it. Manny needs money and he owe the IRS a ton of money. If he lost that fight there were no more big paydays coming and the bill werent gonna stop.
Remember Floyd said he "HAD" to keep fighting. Pac has lost the last e rounds and was fading. He haf EVERY reason to cheat. A man with that much debt and responsibility will bend the rules to keep the bandwagon going.
Rewatched it again. No scar anytime in that round before the exchange. Keith grabs his left side of his face then takes out his mouthpiece after Manny had his face on Keiths cheek.
Keith reaction after the round says a lot too.
From his half blocked punch??? Go watch that ***** again. The camera NEVER shows Keith getting punch. Only Lennox saying he did.
Explain the crescent shaped cut on his face??? Sure looks like a bite mark or do headbutts with your chin cut half your face now. I know what I saw.
Pac Man chomped on Keiths face. I have nit reason to lie. I wanna be taken seriously around here when I talk boxing. Making up lies for the sake of lying doesnt help that.
Just go look at the tape. The Fox broadcast never shows a clear body punch. I replayed it 10-15 times and took pictures. Watched it on a 65 inch tv and not a phone. Look and judge for yourself.
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LOL!! I know this sounds crazy. But I know what I saw. Go watch the tape. They show the replay clear as day between rounds. Its on youtube. It aint hard to find. I have no reason to lie. I dont know why Keith didnt say **** after the fight. Didnt want to sound sour and knew he would get clowned like me.
Because if the ref didnt see it how could the cameras??? All I'm saying is go watch the replay. Keith's reaction is what gave it away.
far out !
hmm, not sure
maybe post the pics !?
I posted pictures my dude. Manny may have broken Keith ribs but he bit his face before he did it. LOL!! I bet he learned that move back home in one of his early fights. Id bring my hands up too if someone was biting my face. LOL!!
Keith started pushing Manny's head down constantly after that trying to be dirty returning the favor. LOL!!
Keith may have done something dirty to Pac earlier because Keith aint even making a big fuss over it.
In gonna watch again to see if Keith prevoked Pac. I know Im gonna get clowned but I think its crazy ass hell. If Keith aint making a big stink about it then so be it. But ya boy Pac is a biter.
Hamma, hamma, hamma!!! LOL! Pac Man chomp!! You can deny if you want but men dont touch there left cheek because you punched them in the right rib. LOL!! Pac bit Keith for dinner and then served him a rib sandwich!!
LOL!! Boxing people should fix it?? LOL!! When people are dying then law enforcement is going to get involved soon.
You can sign a waiver for civil liability but you can just do as ypu please because you are boxing. If boxers are dying due to steriods someone is going to jail. They made an example of Barry Bonds and the Feds would have no problem bringing down a boxing promotion to set a precedent.
Im pretty sure the got the wind taken from him, not because of a "bite".
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Thats not the cleanest body shot Ive even saw. Like I said half blocked. Your gif still shows Manny face to face with Keith.
So yall gonna act like Keith got that. "Scar" on his face from eating Nepal *****. LOL!! See I made a jokey. LOL!!
Seriously, tho. Nothing against Pac but he bit Keiths face and the boxing public dont give a damn nor wants to know. Now I know why UFOs can run around the earth like a Men in Black movie. Yall blind MFer dont believe jack$h!t!!
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Go watch the tape bro. Watch Keith's reaction. Im not making this up. It shocked the fugg out me. The more I watch it the more Im convinced. Just go watch the fight. Its hard to see but please explain how the hell did Keith get that scar. It wasnt there before that exchange it was clearly there after the round.
Go watch the tape. 10th round.
8Meanwhile still no proof of a bite mark and KT complaining about the bite.
https://i.imgur.com/xZgSYfo.jpg
How did this blood magically make it from his nose to the side if his cheek with no blood trail?
I like I said before. I wonder why Keith didnt say ***** after the fight. Maybe he did something to provoke Pac. I dont know.
Maybe his ribs were broken before the fight and half blocked punches made Keith wince. But Keith reaction after that exchange was not normal. Even the commentator Farhood said Keith looked "bothered".
I wish I could post better pictures but the youtube feed sucks for pictures and Im using my back up phone right now and it sucks balls.
If Im proven wrong please forgive me and forget I ever posted this. But please explain that blood on his face?? That cant be nose blood without a trail and no smuges. That scar looks like it just started bleeding.
So Mayweather owns PBC?
Why does Mayweather Promotions exist then?
Mayweather is just like all the little ghetto hoodrats on this site thinking they own PBC, lmao.
LOL!! I bet you smell like Modelo every morning and you pray to your $2 scented candles that ICE doesnt find your dusty @$$!!
I bet you even voted for Trump even though he wouldnt let you polish and scrape the gum off the bottom of his shoes!!
All this hate for a fricken retired fighter. LOL!! #hurtfeelingsforever
I suspect the odds will be pickem-ish, but I suspect I'll favor Ruiz myself.
That said lets not forget who Ruiz is. He's literally 2019 Buster Douglas now & we know what happened to Buster after his big upset W. I could easily see Ruiz happy with his accomplishments & just phone it in in a rematch.
Or in otherwards I'll take the under on Ruiz getting beaten within 2.5 fights cuz he's just not THAT guy. He's a fat lazy lacking in motivation in the past guy who's not gonna turn into some old school warrior off of a great W. If anything he'll get imposter syndrome & be 275lbs in the rematch with a real training camp or will go south soon even if he can repeat the Joshua W.
Dude you are really wrong here. Ruiz and Parker are much more technically sound than Joshua.
Go back and look at the Parker fight. Parker stunned AJ with a solid right hook and later a uppercut that had AJ seriously hurt. Had it not been for the Ref stepping in a few times to save sorry @$$ AJ he could have gotten popped then.
Ruiz was the same guy he was against Parker except Parker has the skills and endurance to go 12 rounds without being put on his @$$ or looking dead tired. Ruiz barely lost to Parker and Parker got robbed vs AJ due to ref interference when AJ was hurt and the Ref calling minute time outs to let AJ clear his head.
Say what you want about Ruiz but he has star power being the first Mexican Hwy champ. How can you not like this guy???
He's like your Super Nice Fat Mexican friend you used to ride bikes with to go to 7-11 with to buy Slurpies. When the bigger kids would try to steal your bike and his Slurpie he would go into Mexican assassin mode and to defend his friends and his Slurpie.
I guess the lesson here is to never steal a Fat Mexican kids slurpie or dont under estimate fighters who look like Catholic alter boys but the point is Rivas isnt a flash in the pan.
Ruiz and Parker now have raised there status due to the victory. AJ can comeback but its not like him losing is going to kill boxing.
The same people who talk about the glory days of boxing are salty about fighters being undefeated when they match up. Im sorry but Ruiz did what s champ does and thats beat the best to be the best.
Ruiz is going to be a favorite and deserves a third fight even if he loses. He didnt win by fluke. He systemstically broke that man down to the point that he now fear Ruiz in the ring.
AJ got his cookies took at lunch time by the Fat Black Bully aka Jarrell Miller then when he got suspended from school the Fat Mexican kid thought you drank his Slurpie and he spazzed out and kicked AJs @$$. It was a VERY bad day for AJ who had just transfered schools and was trying to fit in and make new friends.
This fight opens the door for more than just a Wilder vs AJ showdown and make fights like Parker vs Fury and Ruiz vs Wilder relevant. Parker could outpoint Wilder if given the chance and Ruiz has the power to hurt anybody.
Money wise I find it funny that people can say that Mexicans are boxings biggest fans and see the success DLH, Chavez, and Canelo had and say Ruiz cant be a bigger star even though he has the biggest historical victory out of all of them.
Ruiz is a effing cash cow in a PPV Vegaa fight. Half of California will be at his next fight if he beats AJ again. It could make him more popular than Wilder and Canelo. Canelo didn't even beat Floyd and he got more popular. Ruiz is Hwy champ and there is no reason unless AJ embarrasses him in the UK for him not to be a big star and worth a big PPV on May 5th weekend.
Ruiz is a legit champ and America/Mexico should be proud.
AJ is the lazy bum you speak of. Camps in Miami, not taking his opponent serious, and having the cardio of a couch potato lead to a lack of focus that lead to last night. Dont disrespect Ruiz because AJ fought like a bum. Call out AJ for not having heart with things got tough in America.
AJ is juiced to the gills or at least pumped so full of GNC supplements that he probably *****$ pure protein whey and puts it right back into the blender. He needs to put down the weight and move to Vegas or Michigan.
Have Floyd Sr teach you how to shoulder roll or have Johnathan Banks teach you how to move your head in an orthodox style. There are levels and Dojos in this boxing game. He needs the proper training so can he learn like Lennox did with Manny Stewart. If he wants to compete he better ditch those English guys who constantly produce losers and fighters who always end up on their @$$ (Fury, Brooks, Khan, Hatton, AJ) Fury is the only guy with any defensive skills.
AJ needs to learn from the best or stay in the UK fighting club bouncer and body builders. Hearn better humble AJ and bring his sorry @$$ to Kronk or continue to get his @$$ kicked.
Arriba!! Arriba!! Viva la Mexico!!! Long live el Rey Ruiz!!!
GO USA!! Who cares!! Dude can be both!! Hail the first Mexican Hwy Champ!!
Both countries should be proud!!
Wilder is THE most powerful heavyweight boxer of all time. The most fit Hwy of all time (12th rnd pwr).
Wilder's biggest flaw is that he didn't have a long amateur career. Even in his pro career he lacks ring experience because he knocks everyone out.
It would be nice for him to go 12nds a couple times but his power is a curse sometimes. Wilder doesnt take a lot of damage, so more rounds and fight will only make him better until he takes a beating.
Fans want a KO every fight and critics are looking to cast doubt on his legacy anytime he goes the distance.
As for a the Fury fight, Fury did jack squat to deserve a belt. I dont think he has as many fans as Deontay has hatrers. The commonwealth fans are much like the Pac/Hatton fans.
Hatton and Fury both came to the USA and both left a lesser man. Trust me, had Hatton gotten up from Floyd's KO and went the distance british fans would be singing the same tune.
I've NEVER see a fanbase give a man so much credit for seeing a man getting knocked on his arse twice. Sometimes I feel some fans score fights like a Rocky movie. The more "heart" you show the more credit you get.
I WAS a Fury fan but I lost respect when he started the funny antics out of striking range. Only to get caught with solid punches later in the round.
For health reasons, I dont blame Fury for not taking the rematch. Im not the type to call fighters twats. Twats dont get in the ring period. I like Fury enough that I dont want to see the guy get hurt. He has a great personality and is great for the fight game. I hope one day he becomes a commentator, because I think he will shine better than most boxers in the game today.
As for Joshua, I loved that he stepped up Vs Wlad but his fights since then have been disappointing.
The Parker fight was a total joke being that the ref would not allow the smaller fighter to fight or have any advantage at close range. AJ basically bought that belt even though he would have won the fight with no help.
AJ and Whyte was a solid fight. I think Whyte is a solid fighter and not the "club" bouncer some make him out as. What he lacks in skills he makes up in heart. He went toe to toe with AJ and wasnt scared to do it again. I dont blame him for wanting his worth VS AJ because another loss could hurt his future opportunities/earnings. If he were to beat a fighter like Ortiz I would like to see him fight Wilder. Parker and Chisora aint enough to earn a title shot.
AJ is number the number two in my book. AJ beating a fresh Wlad after his two year layoff was nice but not game changing. Furys earlier win exposed Wlad as an older fighter who didnt take chances. Its one of the reasons Wlad was so aggressive Vs AJ. AJ beat a more game Wlad but Fury (PED) beat a champion during his reign and that simply has more value.
Fury is three because he beat Wlad but need PEDs to do it. That makes him a cheat unless Wlad was doing the same. His fight Vs Wilder only showed me he has the heart of a champion when faced with adversity.
The hard time I have with people who say he won the fight is that Fury was never very active and threw very few power punches. He NEVER hurt Wilder. His 10-1 compubox punch count in the 10th was his ONLY rnd were he clearly controlled the fight. That wasnt dude to any strategy he was using but because Wilder was tired from trying to take him out in rnd 9 after the knockdown. That nine punch advantage in a fight were he only outlanded Wilder (per compubox) by 13 makes me serious doubt he won 8 out of 12 rounds his supporters say he did.
His jab NEVER kept Wilder from controlling the pace. Had his jab been effective Wilder NEVER drops Fury 12th round.
Fury's "slick" defense came at the expense of his offense. Making funny faces out of striking range is lame doo doo. But it seems some fans give you "points" for that clown crap when they dont personally like the other fighter.
Fury has no plans on fighting anyone else creditable soon. So he could drop if another fighter steps it up and has a few impressive victories while he's fighting slubs.
It going to be funny seeing ESPN lose money while Fury fights club fighters. Im not mad a Fury for taking the money. He needed to fights to recover from Wilder and work on new techniques to beat him.
But beating slubs wont move you up any rankings unless someone higher loses.
Im glad the Heavies are back. Its been a long time coming. I just hope the fans win in the end by getting quality fights were we can measure these guy worth/skills/abilities.
If Wilder-Miller gets made in the next 6-12 months, would you not find that suspicious?
LOL!! Welp this post and thread didnt age well. With Ortiz and Fury lined up for Wilder , do you really think Miller was caught for the purpose of later fighting Wilder in 6-12 months??
If Wilder is the coward you say he is then you shouldn't want to see him fight AJ anytime soon. If AJ is boxings biggest star he should be able to find fights that satisfy his fans. AJ shouldnt need Wilders name to sell AJs fight the next two years if he"s an international boxing star.
But AJ's fight is selling 4X wilders fight in his debut fight and am very confident he will rake in more views than wilder. So what exactly are you talking about?
Popularity in the US is measured by TV views and internet hits and not just tickets sold. Hearn bought most of the tickets and sold them to aftermarket resellers. There PLENTY of prime seats left.
Please go to StubHub and see how many aftermarket tickets are left. Most of that crowd will be from England traveling to see AJ. Americans arent buying the fight. Ruiz is Mexican and I dont see them traveling or watching this fight to see him.
Kudos to AJ for getting his fans to travel. I love to see that. I want the sport to be healthy as possible. But that doent make him popular in America.
Hatton did the same, yet was never an American or global star. AJ is not a TV star here. His fights were doing barely 500k views on cable before he signed with DAZN.
This is great that he's trying to market himself but the only people who know him are the media because he is media friendly. He did his media tour with Miller and hasnt been mentioned since.
He got a lot of love on ESPN because the head of DAZN, John Skipper, used to head ESPN. Harrison vs Charlo was getting more shine on the internet/media after Harrison clowned Charlo at the presser. It will get view because its on free TV and not DAZN.
Being that DW had fought in America 40 times and has knocked everyone one there @$$ its not a big deal unless he has a real challenger.
The fact that he did 800k views during during the NBA playoffs is pretty damn good. Eddie Hearn talking crazy about the numbers just shows how much of a twit he is.
If he inst aware about the popularity of NBA basketball (he said nothing in the interview) then he inst a very good promoter or he's trying to leverage for his fighter.
He really sucks at it too. You rarely saw Don King say bad things about fighters werent aren't his. What made him a great Hype man is that he made ypu believe ANY fight was a GREAT fight.
Hearn is CLEARLY doing this wrong by crapping on everyone not AJ or not fighting AJ right now. If the public trusts you then why would they spend big money on a fight were you've told them on half of the fight is garbage prior to them signing.
If Wilder is trash like AJ UK fans think then why do they want the Wilder fight.? Just fight Fury and Whyte and ignore Wilder like they do with Ortiz.
Hearn should be selling AJ as the underdog so that his victory will be historic like Clay vs Liston. If Liston was thought to be a bum then Ali wouldnt be "the greatest".
It was the shock of the upset that made Ali grab the publics attention. AJ still has a way to go before the fans give a damn about him.
Hearn hyping Wilder could make this a 200M purse but instead is limiting it to a 75-10m fight with his negativity. The job of a promoter is to PROMOTE and not drive down interest in EITHER fighter.
Its better to earn 40% from a 200m fight than 60% from a 80m fight. Instead of motivating his fighter he making AJ smug/overconfident by playing the Wilder sucks argument into the ground.
AJ is the person who loses the most because as George Forman said this has be the potential to be the biggest Hwy fight EVER. Instead of being an old fart and saying "there will never be a fight as big as the Rumble in the Jungle" he choose to PROMOTE the sport he loves.
I think Forman know more about promoting things than Hearn. He got SUPER rich going from the bad guy people hated to a lovable old fighter everyone was willing to paying extra money to by a stupid hot plate from.
The Forman "Grill" is an effing hot plate. Baldly put on an apron and made you believe a hot plate was a grill.
So if Eddie wants everyone to get "super rich" the he needs Wilder to be a Forman Grill and not just a hot plate.
But AJ's fight is selling 4X wilders fight in his debut fight and am very confident he will rake in more views than wilder. So what exactly are you talking about?
I appreciate you contributions with respect to this issue but to be honest, popularity is not rated by number of views alone, the most important index is the number of ppv the fighter is able accrue over time.
Wilder is neither a ppv fighter both in the states and outside. Hez still unknown as well.
If I can watch your fights on YouTube but I can't pay to watch it on ppv, that's not popularity.
Keep it straight...AJ will have a far more higher gates than wilder. That's where popularity comes in....
I can be AJ do more numbers than wilder in the state despite being his debut fight.
Wilder is no match for AJ in popularity both in the states and outside. I can challenge you to that.
This is where we disagree. I cant gage how popular Wilder is in the UK or Worldwide. The great thing for AJ is that DAZN gives AJ great exposure worldwide. The bad thing is that he gets little in the US unless Wilder name comes up.
This site says it all. I dont pay attention to bravado, just results. Being popular and well know are two different things.
Hitler was very well know but he wasnt very popular. As history shows you dont need to be popular to have a people follow your every word.
With AJ being on DAZN there isnt a very equitable way to measure viewership on America.
I dont know if your from America but Hockey games sells out frequently and they charge the most per game besides Football.
Yet Hockey players and Teams dont make the money or get the ratings of the NBA whos fans are more conditioned to watch at home. This inst just a money thing.
Most people of color rather watch at a local neighborhood bar than go do their local downtown and deal with all the things people have to deal with being surrounded by whites.
One thing I see thats never mentioned is the cost of PPV for bar/club.
All PPV buys are not the same. I think most people on this site have no clue how this works.
PPV is just closed circuit TV. People used to go the movie theatre in the 70s and 80s. Being at home arrived with cable boxes in the late 80's early 90s.
Viewing habits have change even since then. Most people view fights at strip clubs, bars, and restaurants. People dont have fight parties anymore. Its better to meet up with friends at a central spot and watch.
Nobody has to collect money or shell out cash for a food spread. No one effing up your house. No kicking out friends when your girlfriend/wife gets tired.
People like to ignore these things called advertisements. If you havent noticed restaurants like Twin Peaks/Champs are hosting fights just like MMA.
Purchasing a fight for a place like this isn't just $74.99. More like $2-10K a pop. That isnt cheap and that adds up when you account for how many bars and restaurants there are in America. So calculating how much is made off of each fight isnt the simple math of $75 x 325k buys. All buys arent the same especially when corporations are making bulk purchases.
25-50$ on dinner and drinks is better than cleaning up after friends come over. I can recall the last figjht party Ive been to. The only time I watch alone is when a fight is on Pay TV like showtime.
Even the fights on free TV get big bar viewer ship because most on are Saturday night when most sports fans are at the sports bars because they have the money to buy 50 tvs and have 3 or 4 events on at the same time.
The last PPV Fury vs Wilder I watched at Twin Peaks. Every TV was on the fight and when Wilder knocked down Fury in the 12th you could have sworn our local football team just scored the the winning TD in the Super Bowl. I saw May vs Pac at a strip club and spent $500.
AJ inst drawing ANY crowd like that in the US. I dont even know if Chammps and Twin Peaks will have his fight. Ive seen more Pac vs Thurman signs than AJ. I know the one of our strip clubs will have the fight for sure.
Since AJ is on an app I have no clue where the go watch his fight except on a smart TV or illegal stream. Thats just the reality of the situation.
I think thats why American fans are so down on AJ in this site. We cant even watch him at out normal spots and have to watch highlights and streams to see him.
If Canelo would have started his career on DAZN like Haney is most American would have never seen him fight Floyd and he would be a nobody like most fighters.
Haney better act a pure @$$ on social media because Stevenson has a jump on him on being ESPN. Arum made a good move exposing his fighters on that network. ESPN will always keep you in the news cycle and is casual sports central.
Neither is Fury. His numbers will absolutely suck at ESPN. I like Fury but the fights he's going to make without AJ, Wilder, Whyte, or Ortiz are a joke.
No one in America are talking about his fight at all. AJ vs Ruiz isnt getting any coverage on any American platforms.
Just because Wilders number against Breazele were great doesnt mean he isnt popular.
Somehing you blokes need to realize is that we have a sports league in America named the NBA. The same nighrtWilder was fighting the most popular team in American sports not named the Patriots (Golden State Warriors) was on at the same time in the US.
Im sorry but If AJ was boxing at the same time as most UKer's favorite football/soccer team had a match his ratings would be low.
He could be fighting Jesus and you wankers would tune in to your favorite football team without hesitation.
AJ and Furys US numbers will be in the 200-300K range because their opponents are not respected by the public. I cant speak on the UK numbers but I do know that Fury wasnt much of draw in the UK before the tainted Wlad win.
Not defeating Wilder and getting knocked on his can twice isnt going to make him a national hero.
As much as the Wilder detractors try to doubt him the Hwy Division revolves around Wilder.
Wilder vs Fury./Wilder vs Ortiz is the reason big money is being offered for fights now. The purse's being offered to fighters has increased 2-3 fold since that fight.
AJ has done nothing but collect belts and hasnt done much to raise the profile of the division. His fight against Wlad raised his profile but with Fury beating him 2 years earlier AJ cant claim he dethroned the King of the division.
His fight vs Miller would have given him some credibility in the US because of Millers marketing of the fight. But AJ isnt a global star like Ali or Tyson where he can sell out venues in Africa or Japan let alone the US. He's strictly a UK star at this point.
All his fights in the US have been viewed by 500K people or less. The 800k+ who viewed Wilders fight doesnt seem bad when you put it in the proper context.
Lets judge the US ratings when AJ and Fury fight next. Wilder vs the NBA playoffs got 800k+ to view. When Fury and AJ do considerably less, all this sill talk of Wilder getting 50% of the purse will go away.
If they do half the ratings as Wilder without the NBA as competition then there is no Effing way they deserve half of the US money.
How about AJ/Fury get all the UK income and Wilder gets all the US. Seeing that the US is 5 times as big as the UK I feel thats fair. 50/50 spilt on worldwide income.
Let the UK fighters get their money for building the UK fan base and Wilder get the US for building up America.
Fury and AJ numbers in America have always been in the dirt so its proper business for them to have to actually attract fans in the US before they get a piece of the pie that Wilder has built.
If Wilder I tell those guys take it or leave it or fight on your own in the US. Lets see what Fury vs AJ does in Vegas. Lets see if they can earn on their own in the US before they get a piece of Deontay's American pie.