If AJ batters and brutally stops Wilder, is there any need for Fury-Wilder II?

Only Wilder hits hard enough to destroy. I'd be worrying about AJ going through with a rematch, not Wilder. Even if AJ was to somehow win, he'd have to go through the worst trial of his life to get there like Tyson Fury (who only got a draw for his troubles).

If Josh beats wilder. Fury should still rematch wilder but give him reduced amount. Wilder will be risking his life against fury, the head isn't meant to be punched. So fury will reward him with 60-40

Fury v AJ is the only fight that matters wilder already lost to fury

LMFAO! I'm not gonna quote the part where you implied Wilder is a better boxer than Wlad. :lol1: I'd argue mentally he's better than Wlad. Wlad basically had given up by the fourth round.

Styles make fights, all three fights need to happen regardless of who beats who. This. Any of the top three could beat the other on the right night. I don't see why we all need to take sides and cum in our pants over any of them.

Fury completely schooled Klitschko and people still bought in to AJ vs an inactive Wlad 18 months later. Styles make fights. Wilder-Fury 2 will always remain an interesting fight.

He's gonna slip in one of them laser like bombs that you don't see coming. LMFAO! I'm not gonna quote the part where you implied Wilder is a better boxer than Wlad. :lol1:

I like how the topic is "If AJ batters and brutally stops Wilder". First off, he needs to get in the ring with him. Second, I think Wilder has too much will and personality to ever let that happen. He knows how high the stakes are for him to beat AJ. He's gonna slip in one of them laser like bombs that you don't see coming. If a 40yr old Wlad dumped AJ, Wilder's freakish power will more than likely not let AJ get back up. On the other hand, why not have multiple fights? Just because either one takes an "L" from the other doesn't have to mean it's ova (Lennox). In the past, heavyweights would trilogy each other. When the hell will we ever see that again? Nowadays it's like, we build up a fight to be the end all deciding factor of whose better when it finally happens. How about, they put their egos aside, make the fight, have a rematch clause. The best of 3 will always be considered the better in most scenarios.

This is where we disagree. I cant gage how popular Wilder is in the UK or Worldwide. The great thing for AJ is that DAZN gives AJ great exposure worldwide. The bad thing is that he gets little in the US unless Wilder name comes up. This site says it all. I dont pay attention to bravado, just results. Being popular and well know are two different things. Hitler was very well know but he wasnt very popular. As history shows you dont need to be popular to have a people follow your every word. With AJ being on DAZN there isnt a very equitable way to measure viewership on America. I dont know if your from America but Hockey games sells out frequently and they charge the most per game besides Football. Yet Hockey players and Teams dont make the money or get the ratings of the NBA whos fans are more conditioned to watch at home. This inst just a money thing. Most people of color rather watch at a local neighborhood bar than go do their local downtown and deal with all the things people have to deal with being surrounded by whites. One thing I see thats never mentioned is the cost of PPV for bar/club. All PPV buys are not the same. I think most people on this site have no clue how this works. PPV is just closed circuit TV. People used to go the movie theatre in the 70s and 80s. Being at home arrived with cable boxes in the late 80's early 90s. Viewing habits have change even since then. Most people view fights at strip clubs, bars, and restaurants. People dont have fight parties anymore. Its better to meet up with friends at a central spot and watch. Nobody has to collect money or shell out cash for a food spread. No one effing up your house. No kicking out friends when your girlfriend/wife gets tired. People like to ignore these things called advertisements. If you havent noticed restaurants like Twin Peaks/Champs are hosting fights just like MMA. Purchasing a fight for a place like this isn't just $74.99. More like $2-10K a pop. That isnt cheap and that adds up when you account for how many bars and restaurants there are in America. So calculating how much is made off of each fight isnt the simple math of $75 x 325k buys. All buys arent the same especially when corporations are making bulk purchases. 25-50$ on dinner and drinks is better than cleaning up after friends come over. I can recall the last figjht party Ive been to. The only time I watch alone is when a fight is on Pay TV like showtime. Even the fights on free TV get big bar viewer ship because most on are Saturday night when most sports fans are at the sports bars because they have the money to buy 50 tvs and have 3 or 4 events on at the same time. The last PPV Fury vs Wilder I watched at Twin Peaks. Every TV was on the fight and when Wilder knocked down Fury in the 12th you could have sworn our local football team just scored the the winning TD in the Super Bowl. I saw May vs Pac at a strip club and spent $500. AJ inst drawing ANY crowd like that in the US. I dont even know if Chammps and Twin Peaks will have his fight. Ive seen more Pac vs Thurman signs than AJ. I know the one of our strip clubs will have the fight for sure. Since AJ is on an app I have no clue where the go watch his fight except on a smart TV or illegal stream. Thats just the reality of the situation. I think thats why American fans are so down on AJ in this site. We cant even watch him at out normal spots and have to watch highlights and streams to see him. If Canelo would have started his career on DAZN like Haney is most American would have never seen him fight Floyd and he would be a nobody like most fighters. Haney better act a pure @$$ on social media because Stevenson has a jump on him on being ESPN. Arum made a good move exposing his fighters on that network. ESPN will always keep you in the news cycle and is casual sports central. I guess we will talk after the fight when the numbers are out. We will see whose more popular in the state.

But AJ's fight is selling 4X wilders fight in his debut fight and am very confident he will rake in more views than wilder. So what exactly are you talking about? I appreciate you contributions with respect to this issue but to be honest, popularity is not rated by number of views alone, the most important index is the number of ppv the fighter is able accrue over time. Wilder is neither a ppv fighter both in the states and outside. Hez still unknown as well. If I can watch your fights on YouTube but I can't pay to watch it on ppv, that's not popularity. Keep it straight...AJ will have a far more higher gates than wilder. That's where popularity comes in.... I can be AJ do more numbers than wilder in the state despite being his debut fight. Wilder is no match for AJ in popularity both in the states and outside. I can challenge you to that. This is where we disagree. I cant gage how popular Wilder is in the UK or Worldwide. The great thing for AJ is that DAZN gives AJ great exposure worldwide. The bad thing is that he gets little in the US unless Wilder name comes up. This site says it all. I dont pay attention to bravado, just results. Being popular and well know are two different things. Hitler was very well know but he wasnt very popular. As history shows you dont need to be popular to have a people follow your every word. With AJ being on DAZN there isnt a very equitable way to measure viewership on America. I dont know if your from America but Hockey games sells out frequently and they charge the most per game besides Football. Yet Hockey players and Teams dont make the money or get the ratings of the NBA whos fans are more conditioned to watch at home. This inst just a money thing. Most people of color rather watch at a local neighborhood bar than go do their local downtown and deal with all the things people have to deal with being surrounded by whites. One thing I see thats never mentioned is the cost of PPV for bar/club. All PPV buys are not the same. I think most people on this site have no clue how this works. PPV is just closed circuit TV. People used to go the movie theatre in the 70s and 80s. Being at home arrived with cable boxes in the late 80's early 90s. Viewing habits have change even since then. Most people view fights at strip clubs, bars, and restaurants. People dont have fight parties anymore. Its better to meet up with friends at a central spot and watch. Nobody has to collect money or shell out cash for a food spread. No one effing up your house. No kicking out friends when your girlfriend/wife gets tired. People like to ignore these things called advertisements. If you havent noticed restaurants like Twin Peaks/Champs are hosting fights just like MMA. Purchasing a fight for a place like this isn't just $74.99. More like $2-10K a pop. That isnt cheap and that adds up when you account for how many bars and restaurants there are in America. So calculating how much is made off of each fight isnt the simple math of $75 x 325k buys. All buys arent the same especially when corporations are making bulk purchases. 25-50$ on dinner and drinks is better than cleaning up after friends come over. I can recall the last figjht party Ive been to. The only time I watch alone is when a fight is on Pay TV like showtime. Even the fights on free TV get big bar viewer ship because most on are Saturday night when most sports fans are at the sports bars because they have the money to buy 50 tvs and have 3 or 4 events on at the same time. The last PPV Fury vs Wilder I watched at Twin Peaks. Every TV was on the fight and when Wilder knocked down Fury in the 12th you could have sworn our local football team just scored the the winning TD in the Super Bowl. I saw May vs Pac at a strip club and spent $500. AJ inst drawing ANY crowd like that in the US. I dont even know if Chammps and Twin Peaks will have his fight. Ive seen more Pac vs Thurman signs than AJ. I know the one of our strip clubs will have the fight for sure. Since AJ is on an app I have no clue where the go watch his fight except on a smart TV or illegal stream. Thats just the reality of the situation. I think thats why American fans are so down on AJ in this site. We cant even watch him at out normal spots and have to watch highlights and streams to see him. If Canelo would have started his career on DAZN like Haney is most American would have never seen him fight Floyd and he would be a nobody like most fighters. Haney better act a pure @$$ on social media because Stevenson has a jump on him on being ESPN. Arum made a good move exposing his fighters on that network. ESPN will always keep you in the news cycle and is casual sports central.

Any combination of these 3 is good with me, the styles of all 3 make for interesting clashes. I also rate tham all highly enough that i could see any of them beating any of them and losing to them in a rematch.

Popularity in the US is measured by TV views and internet hits and not just tickets sold. Hearn bought most of the tickets and sold them to aftermarket resellers. There PLENTY of prime seats left. Please go to StubHub and see how many aftermarket tickets are left. Most of that crowd will be from England traveling to see AJ. Americans arent buying the fight. Ruiz is Mexican and I dont see them traveling or watching this fight to see him. Kudos to AJ for getting his fans to travel. I love to see that. I want the sport to be healthy as possible. But that doent make him popular in America. Hatton did the same, yet was never an American or global star. AJ is not a TV star here. His fights were doing barely 500k views on cable before he signed with DAZN. This is great that he's trying to market himself but the only people who know him are the media because he is media friendly. He did his media tour with Miller and hasnt been mentioned since. He got a lot of love on ESPN because the head of DAZN, John Skipper, used to head ESPN. Harrison vs Charlo was getting more shine on the internet/media after Harrison clowned Charlo at the presser. It will get view because its on free TV and not DAZN. Being that DW had fought in America 40 times and has knocked everyone one there @$$ its not a big deal unless he has a real challenger. The fact that he did 800k views during during the NBA playoffs is pretty damn good. Eddie Hearn talking crazy about the numbers just shows how much of a twit he is. If he inst aware about the popularity of NBA basketball (he said nothing in the interview) then he inst a very good promoter or he's trying to leverage for his fighter. He really sucks at it too. You rarely saw Don King say bad things about fighters werent aren't his. What made him a great Hype man is that he made ypu believe ANY fight was a GREAT fight. Hearn is CLEARLY doing this wrong by crapping on everyone not AJ or not fighting AJ right now. If the public trusts you then why would they spend big money on a fight were you've told them on half of the fight is garbage prior to them signing. If Wilder is trash like AJ UK fans think then why do they want the Wilder fight.? Just fight Fury and Whyte and ignore Wilder like they do with Ortiz. Hearn should be selling AJ as the underdog so that his victory will be historic like Clay vs Liston. If Liston was thought to be a bum then Ali wouldnt be "the greatest". It was the shock of the upset that made Ali grab the publics attention. AJ still has a way to go before the fans give a damn about him. Hearn hyping Wilder could make this a 200M purse but instead is limiting it to a 75-10m fight with his negativity. The job of a promoter is to PROMOTE and not drive down interest in EITHER fighter. Its better to earn 40% from a 200m fight than 60% from a 80m fight. Instead of motivating his fighter he making AJ smug/overconfident by playing the Wilder sucks argument into the ground. AJ is the person who loses the most because as George Forman said this has be the potential to be the biggest Hwy fight EVER. Instead of being an old fart and saying "there will never be a fight as big as the Rumble in the Jungle" he choose to PROMOTE the sport he loves. I think Forman know more about promoting things than Hearn. He got SUPER rich going from the bad guy people hated to a lovable old fighter everyone was willing to paying extra money to by a stupid hot plate from. The Forman "Grill" is an effing hot plate. Baldly put on an apron and made you believe a hot plate was a grill. So if Eddie wants everyone to get "super rich" the he needs Wilder to be a Forman Grill and not just a hot plate. I appreciate you contributions with respect to this issue but to be honest, popularity is not rated by number of views alone, the most important index is the number of ppv the fighter is able accrue over time. Wilder is neither a ppv fighter both in the states and outside. Hez still unknown as well. If I can watch your fights on YouTube but I can't pay to watch it on ppv, that's not popularity. Keep it straight...AJ will have a far more higher gates than wilder. That's where popularity comes in.... I can be AJ do more numbers than wilder in the state despite being his debut fight. Wilder is no match for AJ in popularity both in the states and outside. I can challenge you to that.

I actually want Josh v wilder first before wilder v fury rematch. To keep furys options open.If Josh beats wilder I think fury has a lot of thinking to do. I don't think fury would need to fight wilder but it's up to fury of course.

Most likely scenario is Wilder drops and finishes AJ, who is too slow and predictable to win imo. AJ's suspect chin won't do him any favors against Wilder either.

All three guys will probably fight each other at least once. We could have five or six big fights, more if there are trilogies.

If Wilder takes Joshuas head off is there any need for Joshua to fight Fury or rematch Wilder?

But AJ's fight is selling 4X wilders fight in his debut fight and am very confident he will rake in more views than wilder. So what exactly are you talking about? Popularity in the US is measured by TV views and internet hits and not just tickets sold. Hearn bought most of the tickets and sold them to aftermarket resellers. There PLENTY of prime seats left. Please go to StubHub and see how many aftermarket tickets are left. Most of that crowd will be from England traveling to see AJ. Americans arent buying the fight. Ruiz is Mexican and I dont see them traveling or watching this fight to see him. Kudos to AJ for getting his fans to travel. I love to see that. I want the sport to be healthy as possible. But that doent make him popular in America. Hatton did the same, yet was never an American or global star. AJ is not a TV star here. His fights were doing barely 500k views on cable before he signed with DAZN. This is great that he's trying to market himself but the only people who know him are the media because he is media friendly. He did his media tour with Miller and hasnt been mentioned since. He got a lot of love on ESPN because the head of DAZN, John Skipper, used to head ESPN. Harrison vs Charlo was getting more shine on the internet/media after Harrison clowned Charlo at the presser. It will get view because its on free TV and not DAZN. Being that DW had fought in America 40 times and has knocked everyone one there @$$ its not a big deal unless he has a real challenger. The fact that he did 800k views during during the NBA playoffs is pretty damn good. Eddie Hearn talking crazy about the numbers just shows how much of a twit he is. If he inst aware about the popularity of NBA basketball (he said nothing in the interview) then he inst a very good promoter or he's trying to leverage for his fighter. He really sucks at it too. You rarely saw Don King say bad things about fighters werent aren't his. What made him a great Hype man is that he made ypu believe ANY fight was a GREAT fight. Hearn is CLEARLY doing this wrong by crapping on everyone not AJ or not fighting AJ right now. If the public trusts you then why would they spend big money on a fight were you've told them on half of the fight is garbage prior to them signing. If Wilder is trash like AJ UK fans think then why do they want the Wilder fight.? Just fight Fury and Whyte and ignore Wilder like they do with Ortiz. Hearn should be selling AJ as the underdog so that his victory will be historic like Clay vs Liston. If Liston was thought to be a bum then Ali wouldnt be "the greatest". It was the shock of the upset that made Ali grab the publics attention. AJ still has a way to go before the fans give a damn about him. Hearn hyping Wilder could make this a 200M purse but instead is limiting it to a 75-10m fight with his negativity. The job of a promoter is to PROMOTE and not drive down interest in EITHER fighter. Its better to earn 40% from a 200m fight than 60% from a 80m fight. Instead of motivating his fighter he making AJ smug/overconfident by playing the Wilder sucks argument into the ground. AJ is the person who loses the most because as George Forman said this has be the potential to be the biggest Hwy fight EVER. Instead of being an old fart and saying "there will never be a fight as big as the Rumble in the Jungle" he choose to PROMOTE the sport he loves. I think Forman know more about promoting things than Hearn. He got SUPER rich going from the bad guy people hated to a lovable old fighter everyone was willing to paying extra money to by a stupid hot plate from. The Forman "Grill" is an effing hot plate. Baldly put on an apron and made you believe a hot plate was a grill. So if Eddie wants everyone to get "super rich" the he needs Wilder to be a Forman Grill and not just a hot plate.

If AJ destroys Wilder, it's probably Fury vs AJ next. Then if AJ beats Fury, there'd be reason for a Fury vs Wilder rematch down the line to see who gets the second shot at AJ. However, I expect Wilder to KO Joshua. Then the question is whether Wilder decides to make Fury beat AJ before he gets another shot (FYI, I scored the first fight for Fury, aside from the 2 knockdown rounds).

Neither is Fury. His numbers will absolutely suck at ESPN. I like Fury but the fights he's going to make without AJ, Wilder, Whyte, or Ortiz are a joke. No one in America are talking about his fight at all. AJ vs Ruiz isnt getting any coverage on any American platforms. Just because Wilders number against Breazele were great doesnt mean he isnt popular. Somehing you blokes need to realize is that we have a sports league in America named the NBA. The same nighrtWilder was fighting the most popular team in American sports not named the Patriots (Golden State Warriors) was on at the same time in the US. Im sorry but If AJ was boxing at the same time as most UKer's favorite football/soccer team had a match his ratings would be low. He could be fighting Jesus and you wankers would tune in to your favorite football team without hesitation. AJ and Furys US numbers will be in the 200-300K range because their opponents are not respected by the public. I cant speak on the UK numbers but I do know that Fury wasnt much of draw in the UK before the tainted Wlad win. Not defeating Wilder and getting knocked on his can twice isnt going to make him a national hero. As much as the Wilder detractors try to doubt him the Hwy Division revolves around Wilder. Wilder vs Fury./Wilder vs Ortiz is the reason big money is being offered for fights now. The purse's being offered to fighters has increased 2-3 fold since that fight. AJ has done nothing but collect belts and hasnt done much to raise the profile of the division. His fight against Wlad raised his profile but with Fury beating him 2 years earlier AJ cant claim he dethroned the King of the division. His fight vs Miller would have given him some credibility in the US because of Millers marketing of the fight. But AJ isnt a global star like Ali or Tyson where he can sell out venues in Africa or Japan let alone the US. He's strictly a UK star at this point. All his fights in the US have been viewed by 500K people or less. The 800k+ who viewed Wilders fight doesnt seem bad when you put it in the proper context. Lets judge the US ratings when AJ and Fury fight next. Wilder vs the NBA playoffs got 800k+ to view. When Fury and AJ do considerably less, all this sill talk of Wilder getting 50% of the purse will go away. If they do half the ratings as Wilder without the NBA as competition then there is no Effing way they deserve half of the US money. How about AJ/Fury get all the UK income and Wilder gets all the US. Seeing that the US is 5 times as big as the UK I feel thats fair. 50/50 spilt on worldwide income. Let the UK fighters get their money for building the UK fan base and Wilder get the US for building up America. Fury and AJ numbers in America have always been in the dirt so its proper business for them to have to actually attract fans in the US before they get a piece of the pie that Wilder has built. If Wilder I tell those guys take it or leave it or fight on your own in the US. Lets see what Fury vs AJ does in Vegas. Lets see if they can earn on their own in the US before they get a piece of Deontay's American pie. But AJ's fight is selling 4X wilders fight in his debut fight and am very confident he will rake in more views than wilder. So what exactly are you talking about?

Why not? If Wilder smashes AJ, I'd still like to see AJ vs Fury. This is the heavyweight division, things happen at the top level.