This pu$$y is chasing a bag, not big fights. What a fkn clown show.
Purse comes first. The best fight should be the one that pays the most. I don’t like Benn but chasing the bag is common sense for anyone in his position.
I don’t like when they refer to guys like Ruiz as beholders. Say what you will about him but he has 3/4 belts at heavyweight, no matter how much of an underdog he was in the fight to get them, or how quickly he lost them, he earned the right to be called a champion.
so lets see, bud didnt pay for the madrimov fight either which was another nice turki payday BUT that means the WBC KNEW that bud was NEVER going to pay his fee for the canelo fight but still gave him the belt anyway, so they did it for their own purposes as well
Madrimov was WBA champion so why TF would the WBC be expecting payment for that ?
You should try reading the article, it's explained.
"Undisputed" is a nonsense concept anyway. There are better rated guys at super-fly than the IBF belt holder.
“ I just don’t see the logic in passing up this opportunity just because he can’t fight for the IBF next.”
this comment takes the Maloney fight into consideration, genius.
Probably a weight thing. Bare in mind IBF has a rehydrate rule too.
Either that or negotiation stance.
Rehydrate thing is waived on unifications though. But maybe you’re right about him struggling. Conte is dead so that can’t help things either.
Why would he go up to face another non-star when he’s 1 belt away from undisputed ? Is he having trouble making weight ? I just don’t see the logic in passing up this opportunity just because he can’t fight for the IBF next.
If it were a real contest at heavyweight there would be no catch weight BS, Jake walks around pretty dammmm heavy himself! Also once you are 220 or more there’s no negotiation about what dammmmm weight I come in at! GTFOH
Real or not this sh** is happening. I know Jake’s mom ain’t slept a wink since this fight was announced. Buddy might not make it to 2026.
I agree w Paulie here, but i will say that Canelo had a plethora of big fights. One of those GGG fights had to be in the top 3. So while it’s true he may have lost his two biggest, only the Crawford one looks bad. He was supposed to lost to Floyd. Crawford, he was favored and really got exposed. All in all a legitimate Hall of Fame resume much better than Calzaghe but Calzaghe probably beats any version of Canelo
I disagree with some of your ratings. I don't think strength is that important in a boxing match to be given the same weight as speed, power and skill and I don't think Porter is any stronger than Spence. Idon't know what you are basing Porter's superior strength on. As for durability Broner dropped Porter hard and damn near knocked him out while Spence has never been down. I pick Spence to win by late round KO.
I also disagree Spence’s Power is. 9.5-10.
Deontay Wilder has 10 power.
Kovalev, GGG, Joshua those guys have 9 power.
You got real knockout artists out here with that top rated pop. Spence doesn’t have that. He’s a solid puncher for sure. But I don’t think he’s in the convo of the other guys. They are one punch guys and the fight is over.
Maybe I’m just in the moment of Mikey going 12 w him though. I don’t think he stops Porter. If he does, I’ll give him 9 power. For now he is an 8 in my book.
You can't just feint your way to victory Lennox. Someone who claims to be a commentator should attempt to stifle his bias for his countrymen. Fury has no hands and can't even hurt his opponents. On the other hand wilder nearly murdered him in there. Go back to britian with your pity party.
Fights are scored round by round. Fury had wilder hurt pretty badly in the final round w a combo he landed after rising from that viscous knockdown. He actually made Wilder hold on at a point in the fight where Wilder really should have had the pedal to the metal trying to get the win.
I missed all of the fight except for 11 and 12 (had to work late) so I’m not at all saying who won because I didn’t see it. Just responding to your thought process that because someone got dropped twice means they automatically lost, or that Tyson has no power. I saw enough of the fight last night to know that is not true.
I also didn’t notice the count being long, but I’ll have to watch the replay to see. Amazing that’s fury was able to get up from that. Everyone On the planet thought it was over the way he was laying on that canvas.
Its crazy. When I finally made it home I asked my buddy to FaceTime me so I could see the last of the fight. He was like “for what ? It’s already the 11th. It’s over and Wilders gonna lose. “
I said man it’s Deontay, you never know. All it takes is one shot!
Lo and behold I was able to see that knockdown, and more impressively see fury get up from it. Exciting stuff! Loved the little bit that I saw.
There is a difference between Elite and A fighters (IMO). Mayweather is elite. Pac, Morales, Ali, Lewis, are ELITE fighters.
Keith Thurman, Shawn Porter. Tim Bradley. Carl Froch. These guys are A fighters. Wilder belongs here.
I don't agree with the notion that you are either elite or a b-class fighter. There is a level in between.
Knockdowns not withstanding, Fury held court in the ring. Wilder is a one trick pony and without that right, he’s a B-level fighter at best. Fury will repeat that performance 10 out of 10 times.
Well, if you take any fighters best weapon away I think they’ll all become B-level.
Some fighters best weapon is their intelligence. Others speed. Others work rate. Some chin, and Wilders best weapon just so happens to be a right hand that can put any man down, and most men down for the count. Power. He does have it. And it’s what makes him an A level fighter, one of the top heavyweights in the division. Doesn’t mean he’s an elite SKILLED fighter. But he’s A. World class. Almost entirely due to that right hand.
Wilder is brainwashed in believing that he is the best HW in the world by fighting 38 bums. Also Joshua unified titles twice already but Wilder claims Joshua doesn't want to unify.
I think he means he doesn't want to unify vs Wilder. Say what you want but Ortiz is no bum. Nor is Fury.
Both are better than Charles Martin and probably Joseph Parker.
Fury is clearly better than Wlad, because he beat him.
Joshua/ Wilder have very similar resumes. Period. I have no issue with someone giving Joshua the SLIGHT edge in fighting better opposition due to Povetkin, but the resumes are too close to say one is full of cans while praising the other. Plus, Wilder was scheduled to fight Povetkin but it was cancelled due to doping.
omg, all toffee, here’s the real and now thing. Tony Joshua is AND fought for the belts AND also beat klitchko AND fury holds no belts AND a new lineage was created. The only thing he can lay claim to is being unbeaten WHICH should change by next weekend but in any event, in the present time (now) current time, reality world, normality etc etc etc he is ONLY a challenger and that’s the thing.
Your either convinced of this or deluded! Probably by what spews from a dirty pikey!! And that is what makes you and your “talk” laughable.
Oh I get it now. You don’t know how boxing works. Let me explain.
Lineal title has nothing to do with alphabet titles. It’s the man who beat the man who beat the man. Klitschko was the man at the time he lost to Fury, making Fury the new lineal champion. He earned it. In the ring.
He then retired temporarily. If anyone says he lost his lineal status in retirement I won’t argue it. Theres validity in that. However,
To suggest that Joshua is now the lineal champion because he beat the same Wlad coming off of a loss is laughable. That is not how the lineal title works. Joshua would have to beat Wilder for that distinction if Fury is no longer considered the lineal champ.
So either Fury is lineal champ, or the title is vacant. Here are a couple links that could help you understand better:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lineal_boxing_world_champions
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/achamp.htm
Oh please, lineal nothing.
At least when the big klit wasn’t frozen against Tony Joshua and gave a very good account the of his age by putting him on his arse before been totally beaten by knockout.
This diddycoy replica did very little to get those belts as opposed to Joshua’s win over the big klit.
Had THAT klitchko turned up on that night against the pikey it would have been a lot different, he hits harder than Cunningham so I think you all know what would have happened. Also, the pikey said himself, injury prior to the fight was a blessing in disguise but not for the reasons he gave.
I’m picking wilder to get him out of there early as long as the ref don’t allow fat boy to hold and make an ugly spectacle of it. We know that is very likely when wilder tees off on him. Hopefully the diddycoy WILL want to feel his power and stick his chin out.
i think he will try and box but wilder can box too with almost twice as many fights and a number of title defences as opposed to the pikey having made NO defences of anything. Wilder by BIIIIG KO.
Here’s the thing..... THAT Klitschko didn’t show up. The lineal champ Wlad did. And he lost.
It’s not Fury’s job to motivate Wlad to be the best he can be, or to fight a style not suited for his victory.
Wlad lost. Fury became lineal. End of story.
A side gets to choose location. AJ wants it in the UK so it happens there. End of story. If Wilder wants to spend his time screaming on the internet and then fighting bums in his spare time, then it's up to him. But please don't deluded yourself like it's legit or something.
Meh, that’s BS. You asked for 50 mil and your team wasn’t putting up any of the money. If the promoters offering 50 mil feel the only way to make that much is in the US then take the fight. If you don’t want to fight in the US you need to fight for less than 50m. Joshua and Hearn are cowards. At first I thought it was just Hearn, but if Joshua wanted the fight he could simply tell Hearn to stop p1ssing around and make the deal. Say what you want about Oscar, but that mfer fought them all. If only all champions could be as G as he was in his fighting career.
But Joshua wants to fight Wilder, just at home. As the A side he has that right. Why should you care about how much they earn or location?
I don’t care how much they earn or location any more than you do for saying who is the A-side or what they deserve. I am simply giving an opinion on negotiations and who is holding up the fight.
I am objectively looking at the talks of the fight and trying to figure out who really wants the fight and who simply wants to talk.... much like any and everyone else in this boxing forum is trying to figure out as well.
Maybe you don’t agree w my assessment of who’s to blame, but kinda pointless to ask “why I care...” especially when you’re the one talking about a side
It’s been postponed to October 15th
Sucks that it’s been delayed. Girls have worked hard and made weight. That can’t be fun having to do all that again in just another month.
Now how are you going to do that if the owner refuses to meet/talk to you? :rofl::dunce:
But, they DID meet. Hence Hearn was able to confirm that the finances were legit, in order, and would be paid.
:rofl::dunce:
Whatever you have to say about a lack of meeting or a lack of contract is pointless. You are complaining about things that Hearn himself was not complaining about after the 50 million offer was made.
Hearn and Joshua made a request of Fifty million dollars. That request was met. That request was verified. That request was declined because of venue and network concerns by the very same team that made the request in the first place. There is no room for email answering and contract presentations In this timeline. The people who you are defending had issue WITH VENUE AND TV RIGHTS. NOT WITH TAKING A MEETING.
No.
Hearn was never sent a contract. How is "complete control" meant to be given to any party without a contract which demonstrates that?
Hearn didn't back out of anything, because there was nothing to back out of. There was a notion of $50m, but no contract to back it up.
Lol. Man this is crazy.
Hearn would not accept the TERMS that fame w the 50 million. It’s like buying a house. Before you wrote up and sign a contract you and the seller first need to agree on terms. IF you can not verbally agree to those terms whether it be cost, repairs, keeping appliances, etc.. if the TERMS CAN NOT BE AGREED UPON then there is no need for a contract.
Eddies excuse after the offer of 50 mil was made and declined has not been “where is the contract?”. That is something you guys are throwing out there to defend him, but he himself isn’t even saying that himself. He isn’t even asking for 50 million anymore now that that bluff has been called. At first it was the fight isn’t worth 50 mil. If they offer 50 mil we will sign tomorrow. He was offered it. He confirmed it as legit. And he declined the money because of terms. Not because of a lack of contract.
With all due respect what is the objective of going on about the 50 million?lets say everything you believe and have written is true, what happens now?
Nothing happens. Again, my original post about this was simply to refute someone else saying the 50 million offer was phony. I made a single comment that stated Hearn was on record saying he verified the 50 million and still declined, and that set off the sh:t show we have now. Lol
No. Hearn requested a meeting at the time the offer was made to go over the details and come to an agreement as to the terms. This is the meeting that I'm referring to.
He was told that he had to "accept the offer" and the meeting was refused (even though Hearn was in New York at the time).
At no point did he decline 50 million or say that he was not interested.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.givemesport.com/1318407-eddie-hearn-reveals-all-the-details-behind-joshuas-decision-to-reject-wilders-50m-offer%3famp
Hearn then discussed the $50m offer, revealing: "AJ’s not really swayed by an extra £10m or £15m. He’d rather do the fight over here in front of his fans. "
"As a fighter, AJ doesn’t care where the fight is. He doesn’t know enough about the game. But Rob was like, 'Why go to America?' There’s a difference in going when it is not life-changing."
Another article saying the declined the because of the venue
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2018/05/22/anthony-joshua-will-turn-37m-fight-deontay-wilder-us-insist/
Hopefully this gets all you mfers off my back.
Again, my initial post was not to place blame or say any fighter was right or wrong. Simply that the 50 mil was legit, and was declined because of the venue.
One more quote for the road guys
"AJ will have to take a pay cut to fight in the UK and I don’t think he’s that bothered. The offer that they made, if that was open to a UK fight, we would have signed immediately. But obviously, they want to pay the money to get AJ to Wilder’s back yard. At the moment we’re all still talking and communication continues. But there is a feeling from our camp this undisputed fight should be in the UK.“
Where here is this man talking about a meeting, a lack of a contract, or an email ?
Also, isn’t it cool how I was able to respond without insulting anybody ? Calling them stupid, or saying they don’t know sh:t. I am just here to talk boxing folks. I have nothing against any of you people. Lol
Because he couldn't give full promotional control. Joshua has contracts. They were making deals with BT (confirmed by Warren) when Joshua has a contract with SKY.
Again where is the contract? All this deflecting about “Hearn said the money is really” blah blah blah.... where was the contract? Simple question. I know Wilder had a contract for 15m dollars which was on his table and remained unsigned.... Where was the 50m dollars contract?
Guys? Where are you ?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.giv...0m-offer%3famp
Hearn then discussed the $50m offer, revealing: "AJ’s not really swayed by an extra £10m or £15m. He’d rather do the fight over here in front of his fans. "
"As a fighter, AJ doesn’t care where the fight is. He doesn’t know enough about the game. But Rob was like, 'Why go to America?' There’s a difference in going when it is not life-changing."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2...der-us-insist/
"AJ will have to take a pay cut to fight in the UK and I don’t think he’s that bothered. The offer that they made, if that was open to a UK fight, we would have signed immediately. But obviously, they want to pay the money to get AJ to Wilder’s back yard. At the moment we’re all still talking and communication continues. But there is a feeling from our camp this undisputed fight should be in the UK.“
Where here is this man talking about a meeting, a lack of a contract, or an email ?
Hello ? guys?
You haven't actually answered the question though.
Where was the contract? Wilder fans always go on about "the money was real", but never address the fact that a contract and a meeting was requested but neither were provided.
It's not in dispute that the money was real (although in actual fact a lot of it was apparently stumped up by BT Sport, which would have meant that Joshua would have been in breach of Contract with Sky if he had accepted the offer)
I do not know where the contract was.
You say Wilder fans go on about the money being real, but EDDIE HEARN said the money was real and also said he would not take the deal despite the money being real.
Where was the contract for that 50M dollars?
Hearn is on record saying that the money was legit. He saw the was claiming the same thing as you at first, but actually saw where the money was coming from and admitted that the 50mil was real. Hopefully I don’t have to go and find the YouTube video for you to believe me. Maybe someone else will be nice enough to post it.