Thanks for posting the video. I know that B-Hop and Roy aren't exactly top tier contenders now and this fight should have happened at least 5 years ago, but I'm still excited for it. I don't have the money to order it (going to Vegas and was hoping to see this fight live, but they changed the date... yes, mad), but I'm thinking of hitting a bar or something to see it.
By the way, did anyone else notice that Roy skips rope funny? He holds the handles pretty far out in front of his body.
No. Ali didn't deliberately try to be hated. He just did his thing and that's the response he got for it. His smack talk was 100% real. Floyd is just doing what he gotta do to keep his name hot. I wouldn't say he's biting off Ali, though obviously people will compare the 2. Ali may not have tried to be 'hated', but his smack talk certainly wasn't 100% real. Ali most definitely was trying to create interest, controversey, and ruckus.
As for Mayweather, I don't know if he's trying to 'bite' Ali, but he's certainly trying to use his mouth to help cement interest in himself and his fights. He isn't nearly as charismatic or quick with the tongue as Ali, though, but I do give him points for effort.
No, I wouldn't pay $75 for non-HD, but I wouldn't pay that for just about any fight.
If I had friends chipping in, maybe, but if not, I'd go to a Hooters or something that's showing the fight and watch it that way. This is a big fight and might be one of the first I buy to watch live instead of just watching the replay later in over 5 years... but not if it's $75.
It would put a considerable damper on the hype for the fight. That's really what Mayweather/Pacquiao are risking here: The biggest fight in a decade.
If either of them lose, it'll hurt the draw considerably. (Pacquiao losing to Clottey would probably hurt it worse than Mayweather losing to Mosley, to be fair to Floyd)... but if they both win and do so convincingly, this would add even further hype if they actually get a match settled.
It actually makes the Clottey and Mosley matches more interesting knowing what it could mean for the future fight.
Mayweather vs. Mosley has two big names... Pacquiao vs. Clottey has one. Half the hype on Pacquiao's fight is focused around the stadium it's going to be held in. Clottey is a good fighter, but he just lost to Cotto, who Manny just beat. It's kind of a hard-sell PPV.
Mayweather/Mosley on the other hand, can easily be sold on Mayweather jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
When they are Mexicans like Alvarez and Ortiz it will. Indeed.
Your wrong. Pac vs JMM 5 is everything sports fans love.
ACTION
RIVALRY
NATIONALISM
SPORTSMANSHIP
COMEBACK STORY
Even if Pacquiao vs Floyd was made in its prime after Pacquiao KO'd Hatton it wouldn't have been as big as Pac vs JMM 5. Sports fans don't care about boxing, so they don't know that Pac vs. JMM V has 'everything' they love.
Pac and Marquez is never going to get the hype of Floyd/Pac would get. Every single fight Manny or Mayweather has taken over the last however many years has been viewed in light of how it effects Floyd/Pac INCLUDING the last three Marquez/Pacquiao fights.
Every other fight in boxing was living under the shadow of a fight that nobody had even come close to signing, INCLUDING this one. Why do you think one of the very first things every sports commentator in the world was asking after this is how it effects Manny/Floyd? Because that's the fight that they knew was bigger than all the rest.
Comparing Pac/Marquez V to that is just ridiculous. No promoter in the world would have booked Pac/Marquez II, III, IV, or V if they could have booked Pac/Floyd. There is simply no comparision here.
need no link.
this has floyd mayweather written all over it. LOL
What a b1tch floyd is. LOL So, in other words, you don't care what Floyd does or does not actually do, nor what he has or has not actually done?
It's just easier to comment about the Floyd that exists in your head?
The better fighter, but not the better boxer.. I agree with this.
Perhaps, more to the point, not even the better fighter, simply the more gifted athlete. Problem with being such a gifted athlete is that if you realy on athletic gifts instead of solid skills, eventually, you get older or your luck runs out.
You can't forget that the other guy is also throwing punches forever...
Also, last 10 seconds is cooling off period? Get out of here...
Dude I am not one of those stupid fanboys. All I am doing is stating fact JMM vs Pac 5 will break every PPV record known to man. I don't know if you are a fanboy or not. If anything, I would simply assume you are cynical about what a Pac/Floyd fight would have been BECAUSE of the fanboys, not that you are one of them.
But the fact is, JMM/Pac V is simply not on the level of what Pac/Floyd would have been if egos hadn't ruined it.
There is no way another Pac/Marquez fight gets the same hype from the rest of the sports world that Pac/Floyd would have gotten. It's not even comparable.
It's a good fight to sell now, though I doubt it goes much different. Bigger Marquez is a slower Marquez, which means he lands even less shots then last time and Mayweather doesn't jump into punches like Manny does, so I don't see that one perfect counter punch ever coming.
Not that I don't think Marquez shouldn't consider this match. It'll make money and Marquez is about 40 without a whole lot left to prove in his career. If he gets that perfect shot and wins, he goes down as an all-time great, no questions asked. If he loses (as I think he most likely would), it's only one more loss against a whole ton of wins and it comes against a guaranteed hall-of-famer, so I don't think it diminishes his career at all.
Win-win for Marquez and possibly for Mayweather, too.
EDIT: Just want to add that I also agree with those who say Marquez should consider just retiring now on a high note.
Marquez won by a stunning knockout that will get replayed over and over throughout the boxing world.
The fact is, this whole fight occurred because of the questionable decisions in the last 3 fights anyway. This wasn't about decisively being the guy to beat Pac, but removing the question mark of the Marquez/Pacquiao series itself.
In this way, this victory stands by itself.
No.
Pacquiao had all these weaknesses since the day he stepped into the ring up unil today and he still managed to have a hall of fame worthy career. He's not the most skilled fighter, but he made up for it with speed, athleticism, determination, and grit.
He's still an all-time great, he's just on the downside of his career, and even still, it's not like he got KO'ed by a chump. This is a guy who arguably has gotten the best of Pac before.
if the pbf-pac fight still happens, do people still want to pay to watch it? It wouldn't appeal to me, no, to be honest.
I never thought it'd be a good fight for Manny and I always thought, since this hype train began, was that it would end up being a lopsided scorecard victory for Mayweather.
The appeal to this fight was that it would be one of those boxing moments that USED to happen where two guys who were clearly all-time, hall of fame greats, who fight in roughly the same division, have the chance to decisively settle who the #1 P4P king of their era was, live on PPV.
It would have been one of the few boxing matches that the mainstream sports world would have cared about.
The appeal was the event, not the fight. Now that 'event' is gone. Manny isn't going to be in the talks for #1, 2, or 3 P4P after tonight. He had already slipped after the last two fights (the questionableness of both decisions notwithstanding).
The ship, unfortunately, has sailed for this one.
Why are people asking for links? If its true then it must have happen just under 30 mins, so no link would be available straight away, am gonna switch my SKY on now lol. Because even if it just happened, a site like ESPN or Yahoo! would probably have some kind of report on it already.
Um... no. No, it won't.
I know the 'Flo-mo' and 'Pac-t*rd' stuff can really make anyone who spends too much time on boxing/sports message boards cynical about that fight, but that really would have been one of the all-time hyped match-ups in boxing, so let's not go crazy here and diminish what that fight could have/should have been just because it's fun to mock one guy or the other.
That said, will Pac/Marquez V (should it happen, and I really hope it doesn't) do good numbers? Quite possibly. I don't know what the promotion will consist of after they promised that 'THIS FIGHT WILL SETTLE IT!', just like they promised III would 'FINALLY SETTLE IT!', only difference here is that IV actually seemed like it settled it.
There is no weird judging controversey of a 'maybe' victory here. Pacquiao got KO'ed in dramatic Ricky Hatton fashion here. This wasn't some ticky tack ref over protection KO. This was 'I don't know if he wakes up before Christmas' KO.
That being said, this is possibly Arum's only real draw left (outside of maybe a Bradley rematch) where he can really command a huge payday for Pacquiao and Marquez has a good bargaining position for even more cash in a rematch, too, so there is definitely money in this, and we all know that cash rules everything around, so...
Oh, final note... I hate the idea that Marquez 'owes' it Pac for another one because Pac did the same for him. Pac didn't give Marquez a rematch for Marquez's benefit. Those fights were arranged because they drew, they were one of the few decent alternatives to Mayweather, and Pac never once beat Marquez decisively.
You cannot say the same about what Marquez just did.
Marquez is smart. He and Nacho will have learned from facing Floyd the first time, and be trying new things. Also he wouldn't be blown up, and Floyd may have lost a few steps from his layoff.
Its a very intriguing match all over again. Floyd was coming back from a layoff last time, so that's not a change.
It's an intriguing matchup because Marquez's stock just went up, but nothing about him looks different enough to suggest the fight will go any differently.
Marquez is smart, but Floyd is the smartest fighter of this generation. I'm not knocking it as a fight that shouldn't be booked, but nothing has changed enough to expect a new outcome.
This time Floyd did jail time and was supposedly malnourished and dehydrated. Also, Marquez looked much better in this outing than against Floyd. His form, his physique, all looked superior. He's really grown into his weight. The style matchup suggests Floyd would try to finesse Juan again, but if Juan can catch Floyd with a similar punch he hit Pac with in the third round, it would change things. Furthermore, Floyd did get hit in their fight, Marquez just didn't have the ability to hurt him. Now I have to say he probably does.
If Juan can get comfortable and find a rhythm, then there is no one better than Marquez to figure out how to thread punches through that defensive shell of Floyd's. I'm not really buying the 'malnourished' line from Camp Floyd, so that counts as nothing to me. Sounds like the whining of a guy who went from privileged to prison in my book.
Also, Marquez has looked much better in every outing he has had against Pac then he looked against Floyd. That's because Floyd dominated him and Pac didn't. You always look better in those fights you do well in then those in which you don't.
Marquez caught Floyd, yes, but he never caught him like he caught Manny and he's not likely to because Floyd doesn't fight like Manny.
I'm also not thinking he all of a sudden has more ability to hurt Floyd just because of this KO or even the knockdown shot. This was more about timing and the openings Manny gave him, not strength.
The fight doesn't look different to me just because Marquez got a career defining KO victory.
Sad this fight is probably never going to happen now because it would have been good for boxing and the fact that it never came about just shows everything that is wrong with this sport.
However, I am happy for Marquez because I felt he was robbed the last couple of times and he was able to put a decisive finish to the Marquez/Pacquiao series that was unfortunatley known just as much for questionable judging as it was for good boxing.
Also, I never thought that Pacquiao/Mayweather fight would have been that competitive, so I don't think we missed out on a great 'fight', just a great moment for the sport.
I mean, there is still the chance it could happen, but it'd be sort of like Hopkins/Jones Jr. at this point...
Was always a bigger Mayweather fan than Pacquiao, but I always respected Manny even if I hated his camp/promoter... I'm quickly losing that respect. This is pathetic and the posts by some Manny fans are even worse.
Good article and I agree, even though it's hard to admit it.
While I personally feel that 'prime' Mike Tyson could be considered easy top 10 for all-time heavyweight talent, he certainly didn't have an all-time top 10 heavyweight career.
His was definitely a career that was defined by unfulfilled potential almost as much as what he was able to accomplish in such a short span.
How any person, let alone a 'professional' judge could in their right mind give Shumenov a decision, let alone a 117-111 decision, is beyond me. There has been so many controversial (read: bad) decisions this past year or two for boxing but this had to rank up there with the worst of them.
I think in my entire history of watching boxing, kickboxing, and MMA, I have seen just one more flagrant robbery than this.
Pure garbage.
Alright, it's finally official. I'm sure the haters will find a new way to hate on Floyd (he's going to fake an injury, Mosley's too old now, no respect because he didn't do it before, etc.), but I'm excited for this.
We got the continuation of the Floyd Mayweather/Manny Pacquiao saga going. If they can both pull out the wins (and while it's reasonable to expect that both Floyd and Manny are definitive favorites in their fights, Shane Mosley is rightfully considered possibly the #1 welterweight in the world right now, and while Clottey was chosen as Pacquiao's opponent moreso for how easy it would be for Arum to get him in the ring and not pay him too much than he was for name power, he is no slouch either), the anticipation for Mayweather/Pacquiao will be absolutely molten.
I'm excited for this fight.
Hey on wat chanel was this fight on? I was looking for it all over the place and i couldnt find it. I have comcast by the way. It was on Fox Sports Net.
I feel everybody needs to see this fight,just to see how irresponsibly bad this decision was.We all have seen robberies,this on takes the cake folks. In my entire life of watching combat sports, I have only seen one decision ever that was worse than this. (It was a woman's kickboxing match where the judges gave the fight to the pretty one.)
The judge who gave Shumenov a 117-111 scoresheet should be removed from the position permanently.
the biggest robbery this year. (yes bigger then dirrel froch & malignaggi diaz) Indeed. This was one of the biggest robberies I've ever seen (especially since one judge scored it an abyssmal 117-111 for Shumenov).
This would go a long way. Set a precedent and put notice to judges all over the world that boxing won't stand for this shit anymore. It would indeed. Hopefully the WBA has that kind of balls and actually does something. So often the status quo seems to be the order of the day in boxing.
They aren't gonna make this a NO Contest. Not a chance in hell.
I can tell you what the WBA's statement will say right now.
"Our panel was unanimous in thinking that this was a closely contested fight with several rounds that could have gone either way. Judge Patricia Jarman's scorecard was unacceptable but that of Judge Jerry Roth, who also awarded the fight to Shumenov, is difficult to object to. Judge Roth has a long history in the sport and the WBA accepts his result as being honest and forthright. Therefore we will not overrule this result and instead will order an immediate rematch between Campillo and Shumenov. The fact that this is an obvious possibility is so sad. This is what I'd generally expect to see.
Hopefully the WBA realizes that we have had to deal with too many garbage decisions in the past year and boxing's credibility is already down the toilet and they decide to actually man up and take a stand.
Campillo deserves it.
Bah... are they going to do absolutely nothing on April 17 now? I feel so dejected.
Would watch both fights they mention though... why can't they just schedule one of them for the 17th of April instead of May 8?
i didnt know winning the first 60 seconds of a round is enough. i learn something new every day. Yeah, I wasn't aware judges stopped paying attention 60 second into a round, but now that I think about it, isn't it a little ridiculous to expect them to watch the whole 3 minutes 12 separate times?
I mean, let's be reasonable. It's not like it's their job or anything...
So funny you keep on complaining about the writer yet you wasted your time reading and commenting in here. :) Did I actually complain? I don't think any of what I said could be considered a complaint. (I can understand even less how it would count as me 'keep(ing) on' complaining, which would suggest I said something more than once).
I simply was wondering what it would pay to write news 'articles' like this, because I could do it fairly easily. I mean, I could quote people saying my favorite fighters are going to win/better than everyone else/are the second coming of the messiah and type it up in a format that makes people believe they are reading something relevant, too.
I just want to know how much cash I could expect for doing so.
I respect B-Hop and Roy for what they were able to accomplish... but they both should call it a career. They aren't draws any longer, Roy is completely shot, and Bernard--while still good--isn't really relevant in any division any more.
He got his revenge (if you call it that) on Roy. That's obviously been bugging him for almost two decades. Not it's done. Ride off into the sunset, Hop.