Cotto Vs. Pacquiao easily.
Marquez would be at 142-144 while Floyd will be at 148-150 at most. That's "only" 4%.
Cotto on the other hand would weigh at 159+ as he had done before. Pacquiao though has not weighed above 148.5 yet and has not shown any desire or change in training program that he'd add more mass. Cotto would easily have at least a 7% mass advantage.
What gives the impression of Marquez Vs. Floyd a "mismatch" or a better "size advantage" is that Floyd doesn't show any vulnerability that Marquez can exploit aside from the rib injury while Cotto has shown that he can be caught and hurt by a leftie in Judah, who only weighs 147-149 on fight time. If Judah can do it, so can Pacquiao on a more sustained manner.
Add to that the fact that Pacquiao has at the very least shown proof that he could hurt fighters in the the 140+ pound divisions. While Marquez has shown that he could put to sleep KO resistant fighters like Casamayor and Diaz, none of them are regarded as big, strong lightweights since they only come at a fight time weight of 140, similar to Marquez/Morales' fight time weights at 130.
One thing about Mexicans is that they are proud of their musical backgrounds.
Not to demean my fellow Filipinos but if a Pinoy trains with a Kundiman, a Filipino version of a Spanish ballad kinda like the one Marquez was training with in the boxingscene public workout vid, he will be called "baduy" or tacky in my country.
Innocent until proven guilty but it's hard to imagine that after 15 years of 42 professional boxing, Margo only began using loaded gloves on his 43rd fight.
I originally thought that Money will step in the ring like this. This version would make 140 no doubt.
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But when it was mentioned that Marquez rehydrated to 148 and Mayweather refused to be weighed in, it became clear that he had been bulking up in his absence and is now unable to make 140.
Marquez came in at 140 last night, which was just the same as his fight time weight at 130 when he fought Pacquiao and Juarez when. He even weighed at 137-38 when he was at 126 (Jaca, Salido) at fight time.
Despite moving up two weightclasses, Marquez did not really get bigger, he was just draining less weight prior to the weigh-ins. Unless he employs the likes of Mackie Shilstone, he may not fare well at 140 because he would be going up against fighters who would easily have 10 or so pounds on him come fight time.
Pacquiao is not good at fighting with a cut. He had a hard time against agapito sanchez. After the accidental heabutt in the fifth round (1:20?) of his first fight against Morales, his punch accuracy dropped significantly despite landing the harder shots for most of the round. Juan Diaz too.
Vitali Klitschko fights well with not just a cut but a gash.
No offense bro but Morales is definitely faster then Marquez his technical abilities(timing), intelligence, make him seem a bit faster.
I've been following Morales since his super bantamweight days and he is fast but I've also have been following Marquez's career and he was indeed a little bit faster especially during his youth.
Marquez's three punch combo (left hook-right cross-left uppercut) against Medina at 2:35 of the second round and though not in his physical prime anymore at 1:58 of round 7 in his fight against Jandaeng where Marquez threw a 10 punch combo are good examples.
See if you can find Marquez and Morales' fight against Enrique Jupiter. That is a good example of how Marquez was a little bit faster than Morales and as far as I can remember Jupiter fought them both at feather and superbantam.
Also a good fight for a point of comparison is against Reynante Jamili.
was anyone else kinda shocked at how much larger jmm looked then juan
i mean
wow
if i had to guess by lookin at them
ud think the shorter pudgier diaz was the one who recently moved up in weight
Not really. Diaz came in at 140 on fight time against Campbell and Marquez came in at 141 at fight time against Pacquiao. If they had the same bodyfat ratio, it wouldn't be surprising to see Diaz drop to featherweight.
Marquez is faster than Morales though not by much.
The "problem" with Morales is that when he is lured into exchanges, he has a tendency to become an "arm" puncher which is why Barrera used to have the better of their exchanges especially in 1 & 3 of their trilogy. Morales may be able to win some rounds because of his jab bu Marquez will make the necessary adjustments.
Marquez imo will win because of his better technique. He may not be able to knock Morales out at 126 but at 135, I think he will.
Maybe I am wrong but I've seen Morales land like 7 punches in a second. That was the beginning of the end for the other fighter years ago. I am in no way saying that Marquez is slow. But of everything I've watched it is his timing and reactions. Kind of like Mayweather vs. Judah, Judah is undoubtedly the faster fighter but Mayweather uses his speed better. His timing and reactions are far better then Judah's. If that makes sense.
You're not necessarily wrong. Marquez's technique and calm demeanor makes him just a little bit "looser" giving that extra but slight speed advantage. If Morales loosened up or calmed down a little bit, he would easily be on equal footing with Marquez speedwise.
One thing is for sure though, Morales and Marquez not squaring off in their youth is a big robbery to the fans.
Against Oscar de la Hoya. I have been arguing with this complete and utter idiot who told me that Bernard rehydrated 12 pounds on the night of the Oscar fight and weighed in at 168 or 169. The fight was contracted at 156. I know that Hopkins never rehydrates more than a couple of pounds....can anybody help me prove it?
He's right. Hopkins rehydrated to 169 while Dela Hoya refused to weigh-in on HBO's unofficial fight-time scale.
He went from 175 to 182 against Tarver and 170 to 180 against Wright. Hopkins has always been good at cutting weight.
I dunno when to take Roach seriously anymore. He seems to be flip-flopping on a lot of issues. He used to say that he believes that Margarito had no knowledge of the hand wrap debacle.
Well yeah the larios fight was at featherweight, if he was rehydrating back to 144 from 126/130, then he should have no problem making 140..
Manny walks around at 144-45, if he sweats out some water the day before and takes a nice healthy crap,meh should make 140 with ease...we are talking about 4 pounds from his walk around weight, not all the way down to feather like he was vs larios
Agreed. At this rate, some 140lbers are still heavier than him.
Manny's walk-around weight though is 155+. His fully hydrated fighting weight has been fluctuating at 149-151. Making 140 shouldn't be that difficult.
He only makes welter due to the high calorie diet he takes to keep mass on.. If he moved to a more traditional diet program, he would be walking around at 140 and should make it pretty easily... It's just a switch in diets.. Going to 135 would be more difficult but not 140.. He doesn't even cut weight to make welter, so changing calorie intake, and actually cutting weight week of fight, shouldn't be a huge deal IMO
The extra-high calorie intake was just an exaggeration. As early as the Larios fight in 2006, Manny was already rehydrating to 144+. You can see how sunken his eyes and cheeks look on weigh-ins. Leading up to the Dela Hoya fight, Buboy claimed that he got into an argument with Ariza because the plyometrics program that Ariza had been implementing was slowing Pacquiao down. His performances against Dela Hoya, Hatton and Cotto proved otherwise however, enough for Floyd's camp and fans to call for extra drug testing. I won't believe everything that comes out of Pacquiao's camp.
And contrary to the claims made by other posters, Pacquiao actually leads a very active lifestyle. He is constantly involved with sports festivals, makes it a point to jog and shadow box everytime he wakes up. His work as a congressman doesn't impede his athletic life whatsoever because he is a nearly a ghost employee in the House of Congress. As a matter of fact, he has the most absences.
I think he will come in about same weight he came in against Juan Diaz which is about 142-143
Nah, Marquez was only at 140 on that fight. His highest was at 141 on his second fight with Pacquiao.
Damn, can Margarito even close or blink that right eye anymore? It's wide-open and seems to be pointing at a different direction compared to the left.
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