Who do you guys think wins that one? seems like it would have been a bit more boring as when JMM was in his prime he was a bit less of a risk taker.
I think a prime Morales was a bit stronger of a puncher, faster, better chin, probably not quite as strong, he was also more technical then people give him credit for. When he wanted to box he fought well, problem was he mixed it up to much and cut his career short.
JMM has always been technical. A great fighter and definitely the more technical fighter. Has a ton of heart, scary with his timing and good power. Strong fighter.
Just wondering....
Prime Morales takes this no question about! He would have used his long reach and jab early in the fight to stay on the outside and using his speed to beat Marquez to the punch before he could get countered. His power would be too much for Marquez to handle. By the late rounds i think Morales wears down Marquez and would start to slug, Marquez has a tendency to want to go toe to toe at times when he is facing adversity which plays right into Morales style. Morales by late KO!
Prime for prime this would have been a very competitive fight. Morales wasn't as good a boxer as Marquez but he was the better fighter, Guty Espadas gave Morales quite a lot of trouble in their first fight with his technical ability, he managed to lower Morales' pace and make him cautious, I wouldn't be surprised if Marquez did that as well but with more effectiveness.
Then again, Marquez has shown the tendency to slug it out when it isn't really neccessary to do so which would play into Morales' hands because Morales was better at that.
Either way it would be a great fight, I think Morales would have ultimately beaten Marquez by knockout in about 9 rounds because I think Marquez would get lured into a brawl but if that doesn't happen, it would have been a close decision that could have went either way IMO.
Those sayin Morales is on another level are crazy. Seriously, your crazy.
I can definitely see Morales winning but it would be a fukkin war, and a JMM win wouldn't surprise me in the least.
I think Morales takes it by decisive UD especially back in the day when he was at 126 or so. JMM wasnt facing the competition that Morales was at that time. JMM has aged well but I think had they met back in the day at 126 that Morales would just be too much for him activity wise. There would obviously have to be some good exchanges, even if they are boxing, JMM would land some good shots and Morales would want to exchange after getting tagged. So it would either be mostly boxing with some exchanges or it could be more of an all out war. I favor Morales in the exchanges and with his granite chin he had back in the day, JMM might get dropped but not Morales which could give him some 10-8 rounds. The boxing parts would be interesting too as Morales was damn good at that as well so it would be interesting to see who won on the counter punching front.
I really wish Morales would have had the chance to make this fight. I pray to god he doesnt try to make it this summer for his rumored comeback. Being as JMM beat Macro, he might be tempted to chase JMM but obviously he would get KTFO at this point in time.
Its an almost guarantee that if Kahn beats Barrera (and gets that vacant 135 title in the process) that Morales fights Kahn for his rumored comeback. I wish he didnt do it but if he must, I rather him fight Kahn than JMM.
Wow Morales is getting mad props on this, getting the nod by a land slide. I think he would have beat down JMM to but I am admittedly biased, so I wanted to see what other people thought. Morales was a special fighter, a potent puncher. He had more boxing ability then he was willing to use.
Maybe I am wrong but I've seen Morales land like 7 punches in a second. That was the beginning of the end for the other fighter years ago. I am in no way saying that Marquez is slow. But of everything I've watched it is his timing and reactions. Kind of like Mayweather vs. Judah, Judah is undoubtedly the faster fighter but Mayweather uses his speed better. His timing and reactions are far better then Judah's. If that makes sense.
You're not necessarily wrong. Marquez's technique and calm demeanor makes him just a little bit "looser" giving that extra but slight speed advantage. If Morales loosened up or calmed down a little bit, he would easily be on equal footing with Marquez speedwise.
One thing is for sure though, Morales and Marquez not squaring off in their youth is a big robbery to the fans.
Morales by SD in one of the best fights ever seen. People forget how great ET was in his prime. I dont remember which fight it was, but I remember him hitting a guy 4 times on the way down. I was a fan for life after that. He was tough as shit, never afraid to go toe to toe, had big power and speed. He was one of the best fighters (and no Im not say THE best) in the last 20 years. Still Marquez would give him all he could handle.
I've been following Morales since his super bantamweight days and he is fast but I've also have been following Marquez's career and he was indeed a little bit faster especially during his youth.
Marquez's three punch combo (left hook-right cross-left uppercut) against Medina at 2:35 of the second round and though not in his physical prime anymore at 1:58 of round 7 in his fight against Jandaeng where Marquez threw a 10 punch combo are good examples.
See if you can find Marquez and Morales' fight against Enrique Jupiter. That is a good example of how Marquez was a little bit faster than Morales and as far as I can remember Jupiter fought them both at feather and superbantam.
Also a good fight for a point of comparison is against Reynante Jamili.
Maybe I am wrong, but I've seen Morales land like 7 punches in a second. That was the beginning of the end for the other fighter years ago. I am in no way saying that Marquez is slow. But of everything I've watched it is his timing and reactions. Kind of like Mayweather vs. Judah, Judah is undoubtedly the faster fighter but Mayweather uses his speed better. His timing and reactions are far better then Judah's. If that makes sense.
His 122 days his combinations were phenomenal. Throwing 3 punches and landing aren't the same as landing 7 punches, as well as hitting someone on there way down to the ground, landing about 2 while the fighter is on the way down after a 5 punch combo is far more impressive to me.
Perhaps he is faster I will have to look into it, but I remember Morales' combos and they were far more fluid then about any of Marquez's combos. While Marquez is calm and calculated, Morales was natural and fluid. They were also harder punches. Maybe Marquez wasn't sitting on his punches the same as he is now or at 130, but Pacman's speed was far less of a factor against Morales(even past prime) then it was against Marquez and that must be taken into consideration considering it was the first fighter they both faced that was faster then them.
No offense bro but Morales is definitely faster then Marquez his technical abilities(timing), intelligence, make him seem a bit faster.
I've been following Morales since his super bantamweight days and he is fast but I've also have been following Marquez's career and he was indeed a little bit faster especially during his youth.
Marquez's three punch combo (left hook-right cross-left uppercut) against Medina at 2:35 of the second round and though not in his physical prime anymore at 1:58 of round 7 in his fight against Jandaeng where Marquez threw a 10 punch combo are good examples.
See if you can find Marquez and Morales' fight against Enrique Jupiter. That is a good example of how Marquez was a little bit faster than Morales and as far as I can remember Jupiter fought them both at feather and superbantam.
Also a good fight for a point of comparison is against Reynante Jamili.
wth does it matter if it's at 135? just because marquez has 2 wins at 135?
give me a break.
morales is taller and naturally bigger.
fighting at 135 would benefit him.
only difference is morales aged a lot a faster than marquez did.
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anything below 135 I think Morales takes it..at 135 Marquez obviously gets the W.
wth does it matter if it's at 135? just because marquez has 2 wins at 135?
give me a break.
morales is taller and naturally bigger.
fighting at 135 would benefit him.
only difference is morales aged a lot a faster than marquez did.
Marquez is faster than Morales though not by much.
The "problem" with Morales is that when he is lured into exchanges, he has a tendency to become an "arm" puncher which is why Barrera used to have the better of their exchanges especially in 1 & 3 of their trilogy. Morales may be able to win some rounds because of his jab bu Marquez will make the necessary adjustments.
Marquez imo will win because of his better technique. He may not be able to knock Morales out at 126 but at 135, I think he will.
No offense bro but Morales is definitely faster then Marquez his technical abilities(timing), intelligence, make him seem a bit faster.
Morales was far past his prime at 135. So I don't really count it. A prime 126 Morales was no slacker my friend that is why it is so intriguing, prime 122 is even scarier.