Some of you guys are really smoking something,Whyte is too slow and too clusmy to last more than 5 with wilder,the only thing the fury fight showed was that you gotta be able to box and move to last against wilder and he still got dropped twice,Whyte can't box or move,Eddie hearn doesn't even think Whyte can beat wilder lol
Lol of all the old heavyweights from the 90s Wilder matches up with holyfield the best,truth is holyfield was at his best at cruiserweight,heavyweights holyfield relied more on headbutts and trying to ruff up his opponent like Shawn Porter does,but he couldn't really do it on the bigger heavyweights like Lewis and bowe,and he didn't move his head that much,I could definitely see Wilder knocking him down multiple times,or holyfield out willing Wilder, it'd be a close fight
Get that hate out your blood it's not a good look, especially when you sound dumb,Lewis vs vitali didn't even do that much in the same venue,this is not the UK anybody who thinks 17000 people at a fight is bad is just slow,even Eddie hearn will tell you that's good,his dazn events not even drawing 10,000 people
Haney is all talk. This guy is not interesting. Boring, won his belt via email. Barely beat Linares, by holding on for dear life. Stuggled some with a blown up featherweight in JoJO. Dude has a head too big and a nose even bigger. Ellerbe and Bill love child?????
Yea I don't get the Haney hype from black fans, and I say that as a black man, dude really isn't that good, and he's more known for running around with a ig ho then he is for his boxing, dude is a super simp
Spence doesn't have the height, reach, or size of Bivol. Spence comes at you. Bivol is a mover. 2 different styles. Canelo still fuks up spence's world. At 160 though, Spence obviously wins because Canelo can't make 160 anymore. Imagine if Spence fought Isaac Cruz at 135. Cruz destroys him.due to weight drainage.
Um you do realize that spence has pretty much the exact same reach as bivol right? If spence jumped to 164 and fought canelo immediately, I'd favor him to lose, but if he was able to get a few fights there to get used to the weight, I could definitely see him probably breaking another orbital bone, canelo wanted bivol to stand and trade, and that's excalty what he would get with spence, I don't think people realize spence is draining himself to get to 147, and that's why his punch resistance is leaving, he'd be much stronger at middleweight, and if he's breaking bones at welterweight, he's definitely gonna do damage at 164
He can, but those hes done it to dont come close to the pedigree of Usyk. AJ landed some crazy shots and Usyk never wobbled
Aj does not hit like wilder
I think the odds makers will favor crawford but I think its gonna be a tough fight for both guys, and I think crawford needs to stop spence within the first 6 rounds, spence wears you down, and if you fight his fight like ugas did, you'll get lumped up, we saw it with Kell brook as well, Porter eventually got dropped, I think crawford has to end it early, I don't see him lasting the full 12 with spences body attack
What the hell does last night have to do with Ennis? He may or may not be able to beat Spence/Crawford, but last night didn't say anything about Ennis lol.
It showed that he's not ready for spence or crawford, if you've watched any of his fights, and know anything about boxing, you can clearly see that
If you don't think he is ready for those two, that is fine. But last night showed nothing regarding Boots chances vs Bud or Spence.
That's your opinion and your entitled to it, mine is that it showed boots isn't ready for the top two guys yet
Spence was hurt but we honestly don't no why, he's fought this style for years and never been hurt like that before, maybe it's the layoff, maybe it's the accident, or maybe he's too big for welterweight, and is draining himself to get down to that weight, and its making his punch resistance not as stable, I think it's more than likely the last reason, and why I do favor crawford
Um did it ever occur to you that his body was in pain? And opening himself up may have actually allowed spence to land the power punches to the head he was throwing? It's easy to sit on your couch and wonder why someone isn't doing something, when your body isn't the one being beat on
You mean to say there are people that know more about boxing than a guy on the internet who thinks Boots needs to prove himself against 130lb Shakur Stevenson to justify his hype?!?! :pat:
Uh I said if Shakur moves up, did you actually read the post? And didn't crawford start at 130 pounds? Didn't floyd mayweather start at super featherweight? Some of you think your responses are witty, and you don't realize how stupid you sound, Shakur will definitely be at welterweight one day
Many people who know a lot about boxing disagree with you... And you didn't answer the question. Maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.
I actually did answer the question, you simply didn't comprehend it, and that's your problem not mine
The current generation just isn't interested in boxing, I mean it's hard finding kids that even want to play baseball anymore, and that used to be America's past time, football and basketball are the money makers, and it's what kids are interested in
Which has NEVER happened to him. It was like watching Keef eat a body shot. That was bad. And as fans, we're concerned.
I'm telling you guys he's too big for the weight, alot of boxing channels were talking about how dangerous its getting for him to keep draining himself down to 147, he knows it which is why he keeps saying he only had two fights left, he's never been hurt multiple times like he was against ugas
If Spence and Thurman (both heavier punchers) couldn't stop Porter, why are people picking Crawford to stop him?
Who was the last person Thurman or spence had knocked out when they faced Porter? Crawford has knocked out his last eight opponents, and styles make fights, spence wears you down with body shots and a high work rate, and Thurman throws a single punch and runs away, Crawford doesn't throw alot of punches, he may even give you the first few rounds, because he getting your timing down, to set you up for a KO, this won't be anything like fighting spence or Thurman for porter
I seriously doubt it, unless Porter is in horrible shape & covid or some sh
You clearly don't see how bad a match-up this is for Porter then, this isn't spence that's trying to wear you down with body shots, crawford is trying to time you, and hit you with a punch at angle you don't see coming, that's why he usually loses rounds to start fights, he's figuring out what you like to do, and Porter consistently rushing in, is gonna get caught eventually
Nonsense. The most lucrative fight is Spence-Crawford right now by far in the division. There are no other credible opponents that either will fight that will bring in close to as much money or any of the glory. Yeah. Let's derail the Undisputed fight so that Spence and Crawford can fight Ennis, Ortiz, Stanionis.
That's how us as the hard-core fans look at things, the people actually running the business side don't see the money in it, Eddie Hearn said that ggg canelo 3 is bigger financially, but Spence vs Crawford is bigger for the fans, we know Eddie lies alot, but he's telling the truth about this
One thing for sure is Mayweathers greatness in the ring is cemented. His self centered egotistical attention-whoring ways outside the ring is also equally acknowledged.
With that said, access to Bud is no longer an obstacle. Haymon runs the show. If Al says it’s time everyone else will fall in line.
Mayweather is simply a pawn that is still useful because his name still rings bells around the world. The moment it doesn’t… don’t be surprised by any of Haymons new alliances.
Your misinformed, Floyd runs the show just as much as haymon, he's the main reason pbc got funding in the first place
LMAO. Floyd can’t do ****, you’re giving him too much credit. Also he’s not in the negotiations at all, he doesn’t manage Errol or Terence. Stop making things up
He doesn't need to manage them, you guys need to really get a clue on the business side of boxing, Floyd and haymon are partners, and if he says they don't have a deal for the Crawford fight, he definitely knows more then Mike coppinger, since he's one of the few people that actually talk to al haymon directly
This thread is non-sense. Floyd didn't finance PBC. Floyd has nothing to do with Spence or Crawford. He has no way to block the fight and no reason to block the fight. Stupid thread.
You clearly have no clue what your talking about, Floyd absolutely helped finance pbc, you really think al haymon was able to pull investors by himself? He couldn't even get investors for his music promotional companies, despite being a tour manager for over twenty five years
Once again, Floyd has nothing to do with Spence and who Spence chooses to fight.
We're in Vegas, brother. We know what TGB is.
Mandown - for Spence - isn't just a tax front like About Billions is for AB.
You being in Vegas means what? Tgb works for haymon, he uses them to be the fight promoters because he's not technically a promoter, just like he was using Lou dibella and his promotional company, before dibella pulled that stuff with wilder and dazn, and haymon got rid of him, man down is definitely for tax purposes, haymon uses the same scams with all his fighters
Floyd can't block Spence from fighting because Spence works directly with TGB Promotions and his own Mandown Promotions.
PBC has very little to do with which fights Spence takes based on the arrangement - Al Haymon provides advice only.
Crawford is independent.
What Floyd's likely talking about is that there are a LOT of things that need to be sorted in terms of who has rights to what and more importantly, the split.
Remember, it was Crawford on record who said, basically, "60-40 to ME or NO FIGHT!"
Which he doesn't deserve, since Spence is the clear A-Side.
Tgb Promotions works for haymon, they're pretty much his front company so that he doest get in trouble for violating the Ali act, by being a manager and promoter, and Spence man down Promotions
is for tax purposes, just like haymon gives all his fighters promotional companies for tax purposes,
Floyd is very much involved with all things pbc, and he keeps trying to subliminally tell you guys, and your not picking up on it
Yes by the time spence got done beating horns body he would have been too weak to defend his head, and would have went to sleep no matter how good his chin is
The real question is why do people lose their mind over one win?crawford was supposed to beat horn,but now people wanna act like crawford beat sugar ray or hagler,crawford couldnt stop jeff horn from coming in hitting him with flush shots,thatd means he damn sure wont be able to keep spence back,and spence not gonna take all those hits,he gonna keep the high guard up,cut the ring off and get his body shots,i see bud outboxing spence the first half of the fight like brook then getting tko late
I actually did think it was a low blow till i just saw that angle,it was right on the belt line,and that wasnt even the punch that hurt him so i dont know what some of yall *****ing about,guess it just that time of the month for some
Amazing what people come up with to try to down fighters,and watch once he wins the wbc belt and is on vada year round its gonna be the weight bully thing,spence must be doing something right to have haters like this,its great though,this is how floyd made almost a billion dollars,so keep the hate up and accusations,and make sure you tune in to errols fights lol
The lack of boxing knowledge here is sad for this to be a boxing forum,they have similar styles except spence is a way better boxer and works the body,no matter how big you are enough body shots will take the air and your legs right from under you,Hurd gets stopped by spence,in fact after waching the trout fight i think Hurd beats jermell Charlo before spence