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All what you said proves Wilder ducked Vitali, smh you nuthuggers are not very bright :D Funny bro.

When did you start watching boxing last week? Vitali was retired in 2013, Wilder didn’t get the strap from Bermane until 2015. Vlad lost to Fury that year after fighting a much higher rated Bryant Jennings. Where is the duck? You just making things up?

The same bronze bummer that ducked wlad and vitali! C'mon now buddy stop it When did you start watching boxing last week? Vitali was retired in 2013, Wilder didn’t get the strap from Bermane until 2015. Vlad lost to Fury that year after fighting a much higher rated Bryant Jennings. Where is the duck? You just making things up?

Who wrote this BS, the Ricky Hatton fan club? This fight helped make boxing dominant again, they made hundreds of millions (not 10s of millions) at time when PPVs don’t do squat, the fight was the most exciting casual crossover fight of the year and everyone in boxing was looking to duplicate its genius. I guess if you project your own false reality some one out there will believe it even if they experienced something all together different.

This is stupid, how is an all British unification between two fighters who already met (Dillian getting KO’d) a bigger fight than a global unification between the US and UK where both fighters have near perfect KO ratios? Other DW stop listening to hearn and go fight Luis Ortiz or Parker or Big Baby. You babe t beaten anyone of note.

Hearn can say out loud that he is ducking Wilder (what they already did with the freeze thing) that they still will find excuses Very true, but UK pride is real. As Hearn continues to embarrass them they will do the right thing.

Guess it’s okay for Tyson to show up, just not Wilder? Shook...

What other evidence do we need that Eddie is protecting his profits and avoiding the Wilder fight? Eddie can’t promote Wilder any better. If he could why didn’t Luis Ortiz blow up when he signed to Matchroom? It’s all about keeping the winner of the mega-fight in-house. Let’s keep it 100 it doesn’t take much to promote a UK fighter. All you have to do is show up, be likable and keep winning, the people there just act like natural fans and support their own people. The UK still has a thick culture, America has sacrificed culture for unlimited greed and a divisive control system.

Hearn does do just that Affect order... when he chooses the on just ordered (Pulev) over the one who has been waiting for 5 months in (Ortiz) with a goal of fighting the easier fight. Beat it clown you could have figured this out reading my previous post.

Hearn has nothing to do with how mandatories line up ? :poke: You are making false vlaims and pretzle twisting of blaming Hearn , so what are you talking about ? Ortiz wasnt even in the picture in 2016 when Klitchko was originally supposed to fight Joshua and had a REMATCH claus already in place . The IBF wanted Joshua to fight Pulev after Joshua defeated Klitchko in 2017 .The cancelled rematch resulted in the Takam fight who became Joshua next mandatory down the line ,which Hearn agreed to keep the belt for Joshua by not getting stripped . More expensive fighters getting access to Ortiz ? Huh Maybe you missed the part where Ortiz was fighting Joshua next after Pulev but decided on his OWN to persue Wilder ?:burnout: Get a grip you have no idea what you're talking about ! :dead: Hearn did do just that in effect the order of mandatories... when he chooses the on just ordered in May (Pulev) over the one who has been waiting for 5 months since January in (Ortiz) with a goal of fighting the easier fight. Beat it clown you could have figured this out reading my previous post. You just want attention? ��

I'm talking facts here, not nuthugging like you mate. Why because you said you are? First off you are typing not talking as I haven’t heard *****. Next anyone can double down on some BS mate. It just means you have less integrity that the first time you tried to sell that BS lie. Educate yourself, making a clown stand up straight by no ones definition is nut-hugging. Answer the questions with fookin facts mate.

So its Hearns fault that Ortiz left a GUARANTEED shot at Joshua AFTER Pulev ? And that the IBF would let Joshua rematch Klitchko as long as Pulev got his shot next ? Is this what i see here ? :burnout: The funny thing is Ortiz also left the U.K when Hearn was building his profile there for that Joshua fight , i guess thats Hearns fault too ?:burnout: The end result of Ortiz going for Wilder INSTEAD of Joshua was a missed HUGE payday and he would have fought Joshua SOONER than Wilder anyway bc guy didnt know how to fill out forms which resulted in a long drawn out soap opera ....:lol1: Hearns Fault... WTF are you going on about? Who was speaking about fault. We were talking Hearn manipulating the mandatories to steer Joshua away from the earlier mandatory in Ortiz. Then you start asking about fault. So Ortiz is on Matchroom and lesser but more expensive fighters generating less interest are getting access to Joshua before Ortiz? What makes Ortiz so special that he had to wait? The guy was already 38? According to you probably older. Beat it bro... this thread was retired long before you tried to find defense in this tired who is really to blame spin.😴

Ortiz WBA suspension . A. Boxers, their representatives, and promoters are obligated to “know and be familiar with all Associations rules.” WBA Rule C.14. B. The WBA Ratings Committee and Chairman have sole discretion in ranking boxers and may consult and consider WBA ratings guidelines, ring performance, regional titles, bout activity or inactivity, failure to participate in WBA bouts and any other factor the Committee deems relevant. WBA Rule B.5-8. C. No boxer who has tested positive for a prohibited substance can be rated, or be permitted to participate in a sanctioned bout for no less than six (6) months from the date of the positive test. WBA Rule C.45. D. The WBA rules and medical guidelines adopt the prohibited substances list as identified by the International Olympic Committee (“IOC”), WBA Rule E. 24. The IOC has adopted the prohibited list published by WADA. Chlorothaizide and Hydrochlorathiazide are prohibited substances. E. The Ratings Committee may demote or remove a boxer from the ratings for failure to comply with WBA Rules and for positive prohibited substances tests. WBA Rule B.6. F. WBA Rule C.27 states: Title Vacation and/or Removal of Recognition. A boxer’s title, status, or recognition may be lost, removed, or vacated for any of the following reasons: a. Loss in a bout (see Rule C.15); b. Violation of Association rules; or c. Suspension, charges, or criminal conduct alleged or found by a national, state, or provincial agency. IV. DECISION As a result of Ortiz’s second positive test for a prohibited substance in a period of three (3) years, the Championship Committee orders as follows: 1. Ortiz’ status and recognition as mandatory contender is revoked. Ortiz is removed from the WBA ratings and suspended from participation in any WBA sanctioned bouts for one (1) year (until September 22, 2018). After March 22, 2018, Ortiz may request his suspension be lifted, which may only be granted in the sole discretion of the WBA. For the suspension to be lifted, Ortiz must continue to fully participate in the VADA Clean Boxing Program at his expense, shall not otherwise test positive for any prohibited substance or refuse to be randomly tested, and must undergo an independent medical evaluation to determine whether he is medically fit to fight. ITS HEARNS DOING THOUGH ! And Ortiz didnt become Joshua mandatory until August 4th when Joshua had already agreed to fight Pulev after Klitchko . This was confirmed in March that Pulev was next in line , thats SIX months before Ortiz became mandatory in the WBA , you clown. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: Start reading my previous posts idiot you are just being lazy and annoying. Ortiz was ordered a mandatory as of January 11th, 2017. He was promised the winner of Joshua vs Klitchko within 120 days of the fight. He had not been caught doping since 2014. Here is the evidence from a trusted site... https://www.boxingscene.com/anthony-joshua-vs-luis-ortiz-ordered-by-wba--119144 Really you could have saved your energy and just read my previous posts. Laboring over all those rules and regulations for nothing. Here some advice don’t stand up to defend Hearn, you will be let down every time... 🧐🤯🤫

Lol no can you behave yourself please. How did he marinate the Ortiz mandatory. It was known before the Klitschko fight that the winner had to fight pulev. The ibf even clearly stated that He would be stripped if that didn’t happen next. Aj/Hearn even said they’d fight Ortiz after. You act like Anthony had one belt Fabes. Tell the whole story, the IBF Mandatory was Pulev. Ortiz was the WBA Mandatory. Hearn knew Ortiz was 10 times more dangerous and avoided the unbeaten fighter. Who would you fight Kong or the already destroyed in 5 rounds by Klitschko Pulev? Easy fight to get up for considering Joshua had just beat Klitschko. Isn’t the Sun a UK site. Why do they say Ortiz was AJ’s WBA Mandatory.🧐 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/4347170/anthony-joshua-wba-luis-ortiz/amp/ GTFOH you half the story telling UK spin artist. Try again fan boy.

Try to spin how you like by everyone knows that Ortiz would have been next. Hearn said it before klitschko fight, and after the klitschko fight. Pulev (who became Takam) was always going to be the first mandatory and they had been very open about it. You could argue the reasoning was they thought it was an easier fight, and you might be right, but nevertheless it was quite open the plan they had. The plan only changed to Parker when Ortiz removed himself from the mandatory position to face Wilder which was his own choice 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Only in the AJ fan kingdom is a duck not a duck because the promotional team decided to avoid the fighter all along... WTF...GOD please save the Queen!! Did you even read this nonsense before you preserved it forever. Who else y’all got?

Suddenly Wilder become people hero and AJ villain. Fact is one of them is trying to unify (AJ) and other just cherry picking easy fights (Wilder). You sound confused they are both champions, they are both trying to unify if they fight each other.😒 If Ortiz is so easy why did he marinate as Joshua’s mandatory? Why didn’t the fight happen when Ortiz was signed to Matchroom? Dillian Whyte happened easily enough. Why hasn’t Joshua brought no less than the third best heavy weights name up (Luis Ortiz) till this day? Sorry for so many great questions, I know you are just taking your afternoon “CASUAL TROLL,” ehh mate?

You forgot to add "I'm not Wilder fan but" you lying nuthugger :D 😩 Boksfan is done... Next time respond with out quotes fanboy. It’s like dragging around posters of you getting KTFO, while telling your mum you held your own. Beat it hollow man.

I liked what you said right up to the point where you said and change everything in that contract. Shirley Winkle is the guy that advised Wilder to duck Vlad because he was a quote a "baby heavyweight" he then masterminded those defences against guys not even in the top ten WBC including try to get one against that other Polish heavyweight that no one had heard of or since (the one that eventually failed a drugs test). If Shirley had advised Wilder to fight earlier in the career we'd be looking at a mega fight instead of hoping for fury vs AJ. PS it was funny to hear even DW refer to Shelly as Shirley. Haymon will sort the fight and Winkle will do as he's told. Some of you guys are so creative with the word duck. A guy with three belts is avoiding a guy with another belt and says he doesn’t want to fight him... well that’s a business decision (not a duck???) however a guy with no amateur career trying to get some experience on the way up and a champion tries to get at him early, this is considered a duck??? GTFOH with that fan boy logic you fookin history revisionist!!

You useless Wilder bytches are all the same. All day excuses, supportive him ducking AJ. Real boxing fans want to see this fight but Wilder bytches want to see him cherry picking for next 40 fights. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂As I thought, nothing real to say. Get called on your BS and we get crickets for answers. And don’t push your fanboyish tendencies on anyone else. You don’t know who I would root for because I am a boxing fan who just wants to see The fight play out. You are a fan boy running around trying to hold public opinion elections hoping the fight never happens. Find another sport if you can’t take seeing your idol go into battle. Gals like you are stinking up the sport.

Well you clearly didn't do a good job 'reviewing the links'. Let me summarise (again): Pulev was due prior to the Klitschko bout and Pulev's team objected to Joshua facing Klitschko again first. At this point an agreement was made that would allow for Joshua to face Klitschko again provided that Pulev was immediately after. At the same time the WBA were still stating that they would allow Joshua a voluntary and would not force their mandatory... thus Joshua had the opportunity to first face his IBF mandatory and then his WBA mandatory. There is no decision there on who to fight and you know it... even if you refuse to accept it. Joshua was even on record stating that Ortiz would be his next opponent after Pulev so all Ortiz had to do was wait... and not get popped (which is obviously what happened and thus he was removed from WBA rankings having previously failed tests whilst fighting under the WBA). The rest of what you've wrote there is nonsense too.. Ortiz a lucrative fight? Ortiz was avoided for so long because he wasn't a lucrative fight and was too big a risk for too little a reward. There's no emotion here by the way (not overly sure how you can judge emotion from text... tis not like i'm littering my posts with emoticons). I'm just bored of the cesspit this place has become with fanboys everywhere that do nothing other than tear down the rival of the guy they worship. N’all bro, one massive problem with your response is this...Pulev was due prior to the Klitchko REMATCH not fight. That order wasn’t sent out till second week of May 2017. They fought end of April. On the contrary... the WBA ordered Ortiz as a Mandatory prior to the Joshua vs Klitschko fight on Jan 11th. As such the winner of the April fight between Joshua and Klitschko was ordered to face Luis Ortiz within 120 days of that fight. However As Vlad considered the rematch, Hearn rushed to set up a contingency by making Pulev the “newest,” mandatory the one with “urgency”. So Pulev should have never been the priority bro. Ortiz should have been. Do the research, check the dates. After Hearn locked in with Sauerland he essentially leap frogged Ortiz to put Pulev into position. Siding with Hearn will let you guys down every time.🤯 Once that fight was in place you are accurate... - Klitchko retired on Aug 3rd - Pulev was scheduled based on Hearns new agreement - Ortiz was popped for PEDs on Sept. 22nd - Pulev was substituted by Takam on October 28th. - November Ortiz was pulled from the WBA mandatory position Btw- Anyone in their right mind knows boxing would have been at attention for Ortiz vs Joshua. It was as big as Wilder vs Joshua. Nobody is checking for Pulev because nobody believes he can beat either of the big 3. 🤨As far as you heart felt diatribe... please English brother, you are a UK dude that openly hates on Americans and is clearly biased for AJ so stop pretending. You have just a few more facts and integrity than the rest of these casual clowns who consistently co-sign with Hearn. I could send you your own words to easily demonstrate this. You hate on Wilder fans all the time.😩 - Lol...and stop waxing nostalgic about the old days bro you just joined in 2017?? - The sites not going down hill, you just have to defend Hearns slime as AJ becomes more popular. Nobody is letting double talk ride. You seem to not have a problem with UK Fanboys just anyone that responds to them. How about you go to bats for the tireless bias and race based hate on here? Is that not part of your cesspit? Either way Fanboys have always been on this site going back to Mayweather vs Pacquiao and lobbying for perspectives is 2/3rds of why people show up.😫 - Yep I like emoticons because science says people have emotions even when they say they don’t. If you don’t have emotions you are a psychopath. Where we can agree is I can tell by previous messages you actually do want to see this fight. For that we are in alignment as boxing fans. The clearest sign of a fan boy is they always want to argue whose best but they never want to see their guy fight the best. In closing, I like both fighters. Just tired of Hearns double talk. I called out Hearn, Delahoya, Arum and King on their BS. If Haymon spoke maybe I would have a problem with him. That’s not going way brother and neither am I. 🤫

Deus, it’s all good. You talk boxing and you know your stuff. I actually think we are more closely aligned on perspective than most. Tough start but great to meet you. Let’s keep making the fights happen brother.

Another day and more ignorant NSB crap that can simply be fact checked to be totally incorrect. IBF mandatory was due prior to Joshua v Klitschko but they granted an exception for the Klitschko fight under the agreement that the already overdue IBF mandatory was next immediately after the Klitschko fight: https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-klitschko-rematch-ibf-details-terms-exception-order--117344 Obviously the WBA had also called a mandatory but the WBA stated that they would consider a voluntary permit: https://www.boxingscene.com/wba-joshua-klitschko-winner-granted-voluntary-permit--116038 Hence Joshua had to face Pulev next or be stripped of the IBF title but then would have to face Ortiz after that. If he'd 'chosen' Ortiz then he would have been stripped of the IBF title and then we wouldn't be in a position now that Joshua v Wilder can happen for all the belts... 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨😊😊😊😊😂😂😂Really Bro, you guys are pathetic. Did you think I was going to not review the links? 🙂Thank you for confidentially reinforcing the fact that Eddie Hearn knew Joshua had two Mandatories one for the IBF (Pulev who was KO’d by Vlad in 5) and one through the WBA (Luis Ortiz undefeated monster with a ridiculous Cuban Amateur background). YOUR two links also reconfirm what my link says... that is coming out of the Klitchko fight Hearn preemptively (was not forced to) chose to work out a deal with IBF Pulev to make sure AJ fought him next and didn’t have to fight his more dangerous WBA mandatory Luis Ortiz. As a result of Hearn reaching out to Pulev’s people they retained approval to defendthe IBF strap against a coincidentally less dangerous Pulev. 🤨Are you this shortsighted that you can’t see the article back up everything I stated? You come out acting like Eddie’s Hand was forced? Eddie chose Pulev over Ortiz and initiated the deal to block out the WBA mandatory. 🤔Now I ask you from a business perspective which fight was bigger AJ vs Pulev or AJ vs Ortiz? Which fight was more dangerous? Matchroom premptively engaged with Pulev to keep AJ from fighting the tougher yet a lot more lucrative fight. My article is actually further down the line. So when Pulev “pulled out,” (paid step aside money) Ortiz was not ever brought back up as an option. Hearn continued to ignore the more lucrative fight and they continued to bypass the other mandatory situation. So why are you in denial Deus? You guys getting mad when Hearn is clearly just protecting his investment (duck). 🧐 However it still shows that Hearn was not trying to fight Luis Ortiz at all even when the business side made it the much bigger fight (duck). In addition, signing Luis to Matchroom without exploring the fight says that even more clearly (duck). Which is the same thing Hearn attempted to do by signing Wilder to keep him out of Joshua’s way(duck) 😩You guys are so into this emotionally. Haven’t seen fans like this since the Pacquiao days. Thanks for further clarifying my point Sherlock!!

Lol... Man everybody is ducking Whyte. He never finds the top competition. But guys he can’t fight always seem to fight guys more dangerous than him. what has Whyte done again? Go to sleep in the 7th to become AJ’s understudy?

Wow... Hearn lies like he has no soul. Simply amazing. But that’s what happens when you give a championship fighter a steady diet of below level competition. The fighter starts to relax and pick up bad habits. Habits that can be exposeing factors when in with top tier monsters. This may just be a bitter wrap for the AJ story. Whoever brought in the shoty comp after Vlad wears a lot of this blame. These are heavyweights, in that game especially, ain’t no mistakes allowed.

Floyd won the fight save the salt water healing bs for thes youngsters or wrap it up. Every fighter has a right to peacefully retire.

Stop trying to create Drama for these No Drama fights. There were too many credible Heavyweights out there. Top Rank prevented a great fight and gave us a rotten egg. No one who matters will tune in. No one who matters will even care.

Here we are again... When Arum can’t stop gushing/lying about his fighters infinite powers fans are in real trouble... Another spin stating Arums fighter is already the best fighter so he no longer has to fight the best scenario. So how many fans will be convinced that arguably the two best HW fighters should not fight a rematch? Especially when we saw with our “own,” eyes the first fight was a fight of the Year Candidate? Fight stalled infinitely, and true legacy missed forever. Once again fans will not get a proper conclusion to knowing the Era’s prime finest because Arum’s greed will try to keep Tyson making him money in the safety of easy In-House matchups. Purity of boxing leaves and fans leave the sport in groves disappointed. What keeps me going is Arum can’t live beyond another 10 years. Surely he can’t destroy the next era of boxing? Keith Idec and Boxing Clever are pawns to Top Rank!!!

Great post. Hopefully the sport will change for the better once this old man passes away. I truly hope so brother. We all have missed out on so many boxing “Super Bowls,” waiting on Uncle Bob to stop putting sport control over boxing profits, fighter legacy and the overall sport’s health. Lol... but the old man has worn us down, we are tired now. Nothing left but to wait for the proverbial bus to hit. Hopefully their isn’t a mini-him clone in his early 20’s being taught the fine art of fight procrastination (Marinating) and large profit denial. That may break many of us.

Tweak little things? And still the Heavy weight Champion of the world...

Lol... Don’t think anyone is buying a European in Tyson Fury as a Mexican. Isn’t the holiday about Mexico ousting Europe? You honor that by forcing a European on Mexico? This is terrible promotion. Clearly Bob is running out of ideas. There were much more respectful ways to sell this fight. If you are fighting a nobody anyway wasn’t there a past prime Mexican cab driver to collect that Auto Whoopin money?