Don't people think that an unprotected boxer would have had his win over Wlad removed?
He seems to have gotten off lightly, and good chance the whole thing was an act because he got caught with nandrolone "from a wild boar that hadn't been castrated."
He tested clean for the Wlad fight.
The test was from before the Hammer fight.
Everyone knows he got set up anyway
He can certainly understand English well, i’ve seen him answer English questions without a translator but speaking in Spanish. Maybe he’s just not confident enough to speak it publicly yet.
Or more likely he can’t fully say what he wants to say and would probably end up getting his quotes twisted by the media if he can’t completely put across what he wants to say. Apparently that’s the reason GGG often speaks in his native language these days too, because he was being misquoted because of his basic English.
I understand that. I can understand Hebrew perfectly well, but my speaking level is so basic that i wouldn’t be that comfortable knowing my words are going to be published in the media and taken as gospel.
Canelo v Lara: 114-114. It was a terrible fight and a fight of two halves. I would actually say Lara could've edged it 115-113, but he fought to not lose, not to win, so i'd say a draw is ok. If i HAD to say who won, i'd say Lara.
Canelo v Trout: Can't remember how i scored it, but i thought Canelo won 116-111 or something, with the knockdown, or maybe a little closer, but it was definitely a Canelo victory in my opinion.
Canelo v GGG 1: GGG won that about 117-111 or 116/112.
Canelo v GGG 2: GGG won 115-113 but 114-114 isn't a disgrace. Canelo certainly didn't win 7 rounds.
Canelo v Jacobs: Probably 7-5 Canelo. You can make a case for 6-6, depending on how you score rounds 1 and 3, but i think Canelo won in the end.
I had it about 7-5 Canelo.
I thought Jacobs won rounds 1, 7, 8, 9 10 and Canelo got the other rounds. Round 1 could've been a Canelo round, but round 3 could've been a Jacobs round.
Depending on how you scored those rounds, it could easily be a 6-6 or 7-5 either way. But i think Canelo just edged it in the last couple of rounds.
I think Canelo was the better fighter throughout the fight overall and deserved the win, but when you actually tally up the rounds, it appears to be a closer fight.
I didn't give round 1 to anyone. Neither fighter did anything. I know judges feel the need to actually give round to one fighter, but there have been more even 1st rounds than people care to acknowledge. So many 1st rounds of fights that nothing happens and both guys either land 1 or 2 punches then compubox comes with bs numbers to persuade the audience than one is doing more than the other. I have no idea why judges are afraid to give even rounds when there are little to no punches landed from either guy
Well they should score rounds even, i agree. Otherwise fights can then be decided on rounds where neither fighter deserved to win, which generally goes in favour of certain fighters.
Those kind of rounds are generally going to get scored for Canelo.
What gift did Floyd ever get? Maybe Castillo 1 but it was still a fight that could've gone either way. People say it was a clear loss, but those are just usually people that want to see Floyd lose. The reality was that it was a close fight.
He won the rest of his fights. Even the closer fights were reflected in the scorecards i.e a MD over Maidana, SD win over De La Hoya etc..
I never understood the whole thing about people saying Floyd having judges on his side and gifts. He never needed it. The scoring of his fights was usually very accurate, unlike Giftnelo
He's done plenty of interviews in English recently
But yeah it seems that he wants to answer more serious questions in his native language to get his point across
We dont agree on 7 and 8. I'd have to go back and watch, but I know he won 9 and 10 and 1.
If i remember right i gave Canelo one of 7 and 8 although i dont remember 4-8 well enough to call it.
I scored aloud with a group of 5. We all talked about it live saying "3-1 or 6-3", etc. There wasnt much discrepancy. We were all surprised Danny had 5 rounds on two judges. We thought 8-4 was perfectly fair and honest. 9-3 wouldve been pro Canelo and 7-5 pro Danny.
6-6 would be flat out delusional although Kevin Weekes didnt warm Danny for any of his lowblows so I imagine Kevin Weekes prolly had it 6-6
Well then that's where we disagree, i felt 7 and 8 were clear Jacobs rounds. Which is why i felt the 7-5 was more the correct middle ground.
I don't really like the broadcast or commentary team. I don't know what it is, they don't seem to fit together, like it's just a motley crew of analysts. They just seem to lack a bit of knowledge and just pull things out of their arse to say. They also seem to lack the polished professionalism and knowledge that HBO had.
The whole event doesn't seem to have that big fight feel that you got with HBO, but maybe that's just familiarity because we saw that for years.
I'd certainly look at their broadcast team if i was them though. It just doesn't fit.
Why would I, as an American, want to see American fighters getting less exposure than the last Easter/Bartholmey fight?
Can someone please explain to me why American fighters getting minimal exposure is good for American boxing? Especially when we have outlets currently that can give them 20x's the exposure they'll get on DAZN?
Makes no sense in context of what i was saying. I never said DAZN was great right now, even though it's getting better.
I said American fans should be willing it to succeed, as in grow and improve, which would mean more people being exposed to the fighters in future. That way, you would end up with a great service for a great price.
Of course it's not going to be a quick success, but if they get where they hope, then it's going to be a great product for a very good price.
I can't see why so many people would be willing it to fail.
I bet all those wanting to see it fail were the ones saying that no fighters will want to go to DAZN. Even thought they now have 2 of the biggest fighters in world boxing fighting there in the next 4 weeks.
Donaire had it the best in his tournament
He was losing to Burnett who had to be pulled out with a back injury, then his next fighter gets injured 3 days before the fight and he gets a replacement levels below him.
Yeah but it's easier said than done when you have a top fighter infront of you. You can't just work for the sake of working and end up getting caught. Canelo is too good for that. It's no coincidence that the work rate of fighters drops when they face very sharp top level opponents.
That said, i think Jacobs will kick himself when he watches it back. He definitely could have done more at times. It was a very close fight by the end and i could see a draw.
Only one side ever sent or proposed actual offers and that was Floyd's side. He even offered to wire money to Manny to sign the fight when they spoke on the phone. Obviously it's not the way to do a deal, but the intent was there.
Only one side ever refused blood testing and come up with things about being scared of needles despite being covered in tattoo's and that was Manny's side.
We all know Bob prefer's to keep his fights in-house and Pacquiao at the time was making him serious money and he didn't want his cash cow losing to a fighter he doesn't control.
I'm a fan of Manny and love watching his fights and don't think he would shy away from a fight, but i think his team were responsible for that fight not happening sooner.
If you think that fight couldve been a draw you are bad for boxing.
At absolute best for DJ it was 7-5 and at absolute best for Canelo it was 9-3. 8-4 was the right score.
I thought 7-5 Canelo was ok. 8-4 was a bit generous. 6-6 would be ok, but probably being a bit favourable to Jacobs.
I'd certainly say 6-6 was fairer than 8-4.
Ruiz probably ranks along with the likes of Parker, Miller, Chisora etc. Probably a notch below the likes of Whyte and a couple of notches below the top fighters.
So although styles make fights, there's also levels. I don't think Ruiz is good enough to beat AJ but it's a chance to see how AJ deals with the opponents style. Could be a decent fight.
Considering it's a stand-in opponent, i think it's an ok fight. I'd basically say Ruiz and Miller are of a similar level, so it is what it is.
Estrada fought very well, but Rungvisai made it easier for him too.
Ridiculous game plan to fight orthodox until the 9th or 10th round. He won pretty much every round at the end when he switched back to Southpaw. Absolutely crazy to fight orthodox for so long when it wasn't working.
It's a fair point.
You can't really say he has a dominant convincing victory over a top fighter and certainly has a gift or two.
He's an excellent fighter, but certainly not elite to the point where he can make other top fighters look ordinary, like Floyd did at times.
Only in your wet dreams.
The Draw was fair.
You're in a tiny 5% minority that think Canelo v GGG 1 was a draw. Essentially Canelo's team and some Mexicans. It was a clear GGG win.
The second fight was close. The first fight wasn't close. Competitive but not close if we had honest scoring.
Like GGG too, not?
Indeed. GGG has never had a dominant win or knocked out top opponents. I'll be the first to say that.
Although with fair judges, GGG would have a fairly clear decision win in the first Canelo fight. It was an 8-4, 9-3 type of fight for GGG. It certainly wasn't a draw, but it wasn't a totally dominant victory either.
And?
He dominated Sor clearly, the first fight was very close, this time Estrada schooled Sor and did a great job
No, he is not #1, nobody is clearly the #1 right now.
But he is better than Usyk and GGG and has a better career and achievements than them.
Both fights were 9-3, 8-4 kinda finds, with the right winner in both. So we can't say he's clearly better than Rungvisai.
And he isn't better than Usyk.
BECAUSE it’s the HW division that fighters are able to compete till advanced age and even make comebacks.
HW fighters generally have the longest life span inside the ring.
On top of that, HW division is so weak and shtty that a great fighter like Wlad can comeback at this stage and beat most of them.
He can come back and beat most, but can't beat the top fighters like Fury or AJ. He couldn't 3/4 years ago when he was younger and active. Now he's older and inactive. He was already slipping. He isn't going to come back better than he was and the guys that beat him are still around and maybe better and more experienced than they were when they beat him first time.
So when you weigh it all up. Why would someone who has a great legacy and already very rich come back just to be the 3rd of 4th best in the division and even that might be optimistic.
Obviously $100m is a LOT of money, and he did have a divorce recently. Also he is a competitive man. So i can see the appeal. I just don't see it ending well on the boxing side of things.
If you think a draw is more fair than 8-4 quit watching boxing. Also I find it laughable you rate GGG over Usyk. You don’t even know East Euro boxing.
Usyk is more talented than GGG.
But i don't ignore the truth and i know GGG beat Canelo twice, regardless of what corrupt judges force the official record to say. So GGG has the better wins as it stands.
Anyway, Jacobs won rounds 1, 7, 8, 9, 10. Round 3 could've done either way, which is why 6-6 isn't out of the question and 7-5 to Canelo is probably about right. Canelo didn't win 8 clear rounds there.
They're waiting for Loma to show signs of being really shot. They have basically admitted it.
Also remember when Tank heard Floyd had talked to Top Rank about the fight and Tank went on a rant saying "he's trying to get me beat" lol.
Also let's stop acting like Tank is a kid. He's been a pro for years now and is almost 25 and a 2x world champ.
I rate Tank highly but it's no secret they're waiting for Loma to show he's slipped before taking the risk.