DAZN has exceeded 4M subscribers

You dont buy high speed internet for DAZN. In 2019 high speed internet is a basic necessity for...YouTube, Spotify, Netflix, and essentially ANY kind of streaming. If you play Playstation or XBOX you'll need high speed internet to play online. Canelo moved up to a 3rd weight class and fought the weakest CHAMPION in his first fight at that weight class. Try to pick on Canelos resume. I'll start a new thread for it. Since Pacman rarely fights...Canelo has the SINGLE BEST RESUME in boxing. PERIOD. Joshua has the BEST HW RESUME in BOXING. PERIOD. Loma fights anyone. Anyone. Try to say Loma ducks people. We can make a thread about that. Let the forum discuss. All of DAZN fights are Showtime Caliber..which is A SUBSCRIPTION because it is NOT FREE. So with DAZN you get subscription caliber fights AND PPV as well as lots of other content in boxing, MMA, and baseball. Sorry that your pro black PBC crew arent on it. Doesnt matter much tho bc their fights are always basic cable...josesito lopez... Robert Guerrero...Ugas...lightweights...etc. They Stay ducking Uhh dude how many adults play xbox or PS4? Internet isn't offered at one speed as you are aware. The higher the speed the more the cost. Perhaps some people can't afford the higher cost. Just a thought. Don't move the goalposts because I refuted that part of your post. I made no comments about anyone's resume, just pointed out that these opponents were not "the best" as you stated. You should be adult enough to admit you got caught up using hyperbole. Again, I don't buy SHO for boxing. I had SHO years before they showed a boxing match. I am not a big baseball or MMA fan. DAZN doesn't have enough alternate programming right now. You have inadvertently hit on an important point-DAZN doesn't service the african american boxing fan as well as it does the Mexican fan (through GBP) or the England fan bases. It's not about pro black, its about fighters that resonate within a given community.

Povetkin was widely considered the #3 HW in the world...so the best? No. But yeah, it absolutely was a PPV fight No it wasn't. Povetkin may have been #3 but that doesn't mean it was a PPV level fight. Same as Wilder/Ortiz wasn't.

DAZN offers Canelo fights lower than the PPV cost. None of the other fights on DAZN would be on PPV so it's dishonest to act like paying $8.33 a month, plus the cost of high speed internet (to prevent any glitching) is saving money when 95%-99% of the fights on DAZN wouldn't require an additional cost under the old model. Canelo fought Fielding on DAZN is Fielding the best? Loma just fought Crolla, is he the best? AJ just fought Povetkin is he the best? Seems like the actual fights that have happened don't match your rhetoric. Pro black nonsense? Ahh when you run out of excuses make it a race thing. I see the kind of person you really are. Povetkin was widely considered the #3 HW in the world...so the best? No. But yeah, it absolutely was a PPV fight

Showtime is owned by CBS. CBS is actually free (with cable subscription). CBS does air some fights. Showtime also airs some fights. You canNOT view Showtime without a specific Showtime subscription. In other words...It is NOT free PPV costs $75-100 depending on who is fighting. There is nothing cool about that. DAZN offers the same thing plus access to more/other boxing fights, MMA content, and baseball content...and it's less than 2 PPV's or the same as 1 Floyd PPV...for an entire year. I dislike Haymon because he's an In-House promoter (just like Arum) and he's stopping Crawford from fighting Spencer. I want to see the best fight the best. I'm not going to make any excuses about it (like you). The best should fight the best. Canelo fights the best. Loma fights the best. Joshua fights the best. It's mostly PBC fighters who don't step up. Tank Davis, Wilder (literally has 2 notable fights in his ENTIRE career and he LOST 1 of them and was ALMOST KTFO in the other), Spencer (fighting LIGHTWEIGHTS). And people like you defend it because of some pro-black nonsense. It's disgusting and disappointing from a human standpoint. Get help DAZN offers Canelo fights lower than the PPV cost. None of the other fights on DAZN would be on PPV so it's dishonest to act like paying $8.33 a month, plus the cost of high speed internet (to prevent any glitching) is saving money when 95%-99% of the fights on DAZN wouldn't require an additional cost under the old model. Canelo fought Fielding on DAZN is Fielding the best? Loma just fought Crolla, is he the best? AJ just fought Povetkin is he the best? Seems like the actual fights that have happened don't match your rhetoric. Pro black nonsense? Ahh when you run out of excuses make it a race thing. I see the kind of person you really are.

The article states sub numbers havne't been released, but are expected to be at least 4M. ESPN is expected to have no more than 2M and they are the largest sports broadcaster IN THE WORLD. So DaZone doubling ESPN is pretty significant. Anthony Joshua has his first fight in the U.S. now. If he dominates and dominates again...it builds his U.S. profile and A.J. and Canelo are both in their primes. Meanwhile Deyonce (PBC) has NOBODY to fight and is 34 years old. Deyonce just ducked Joshua and is literally begging Fury for a rematch to redeem himself. Fury is with ESPN/TR, but I think PBC and TR/ESPN can do business. Hopefully they just push PBC out. PBC so cancerous for boxing, honestly What I mean though is are they covering their money, or are they trying to operate at a loss hoping it goes up. Disney owns ESPN and they have a high pay rate for their ads.

But it does come at a cost is my bottom line. If it comes at a cost thats acceptable to you, me or someone else is always up for debate, but as I see it if you're a hardcore boxing fan DAZN is already a must have if you got the money or don't got a A+ illegal stream provider for DAZN. When you previously paid $150ish for Canelo fights & now either gotta pay $40 for them or $100 for them + a ton of other fights it seems like a good to huge savings to me. So if you are a casual its saving you $110 a year. If you are a hardcore who don't give a f#ck about HBO anymore its saving you $200 a year ($50 for regular HBO, 150/hbo-100/dazn + $150 for the Canelo fights & maybe even more for non-Canelo PPV fights). I do agree there is more cost/benefit sh^t going on if you dig other HBO content. Nah I get you. There is clearly good & bad with this & sh^t thats great for some fans right now & makes a ton of sense + not so great & doesn't make as much sense to other fans. Thats fair & to be expected. Thats the difficult job DAZN has with finding a acceptable middle ground to appease the critic mass of consumers from all angles who'll make them sustainable in the US & Worldwide. Yes it cots, but I thought we are talking just about boxing. It isn't an additional cost for boxing. As a hardcore fan, it seems to be a must have. I am just saying if we are doing a cost benefit analysis I find it extreme value when discussing exclusive PPV fighters (Floyd, canelo) but excessive cost when discussing non PPV fighters. Lets look at this weekend. Yes huge savings if the service had as clear a showing as PPV. Instead, there were so many reports of people not being able to see it for various reasons that it doesn't appear to be that much of a value. basically, many (not all) paid for a broken, choppy stream that was closer to the quality they got when they streamed it illegally for free. DAZN has to essentially change how boxing is purchased. We as long time fans know the overwhelming majority of PPV sales are day of. If DAZN can change this and get people to get yearly subscriptions, great. if not, perhaps the same issues happen every weekend of major fights. How long will fans tolerate that?

I think you are missing something here doe. HBO isn't free. Showtime isn't free. Hell ESPN or FS1 aren't even free when you get down to it (although a lot cheaper). And those shows aren't PPV quality either. So its not simply about PPV caliber fights with big names vs most of their other shows that aren't PPV quality. I think boxing people get too stuck on the "Pay Per View" thing in the context of big fights. The reality is as a boxing fan we gotta Pay to View boxing more often than any other sports fan I gotta figure. Sure DAZN is charging you for all the fights, but they are still competitively priced with HBO & Showtime & when you consider watching Canelo fights costs you $150ish a year previously its a f#cking bargain you can pay $20 a month or $100 a year to get 2 Canelo fights & damn near weekly boxing if you are a boxing fan vs paying $15ish a month for HBO with 15-20ish shows a year + paying that $150ish for Canelo fights + maybe another $75ish for a 3rd PPV fight every year. And while I get HBO & Showtime have other content of value its not like DAZN doesn't offer non-boxing content to (& intend to offer more in the future, the one major concern I think thats legit is does their pricing go up again of they secure NBA rights or some sh^t like that). If your a pure boxing fan who don't give a f#ck about GoT doe DAZN is offering you more value right now. If it enhances that value, keeps it up or no longer offers value at some future date is something that we can ponder & debate as we move forward with additions to their offerings or increases in their price. So I often compare DAZN to HBO back in the day cuz I think its the most accurate thing to compare DAZN to that ended up being a success. HBO was trash back in the day, compared to now, but it still was offering value even if they did go off air for years at night when they first came into the game & it was a bit of a crazy concept for some boxing fans to be paying for fights that were on regular TV back in the day pre-HBO. But they ultimately changed the game of boxing (in both positive & negative ways to be fair) & became the kings of boxing content & a must have for true diehard boxing fans for decades before they ended their run. The thing is I don't buy HBO or SHO for just boxing. I don't know anyone that does. I pay for HBO and SHO for their other programming and would do so if they didn't have boxing. In the old model- the fights DAZN has scheduled through June 30, 2019 (other than Canelo) would be SCB, BAD, WCB, SHObox or ESPN FNF fights. I'd get them with the cost of my current cable bill. DAZN is only replacing PPV for Canelo. No other fighter they have signed is a PPV level fighter. DAZN saves a TREMENDOUS amount when talking about the Canelo fight, but adds to the expense for every other fight they put on since those fights would be available on platforms I would already have paid for. I'm not knocking DAZN, just pointing out that any cost benefit analysis needs to look at things from all angles.

After Dazn got it’s reviews from this weekend, it’s safe to say they won’t be doing much in the US. Dazn sucks was #1 trending on twitter after the fight. I’ve never seen such a flawed product Can't blame your ghetto ass internet on Dazn. Mine worked flawless

How much does ''regular cable service'' cost? How much do these services cost to watch FS1? and we're not even talking about PPV, right!? https://i.ibb.co/FnDsLbN/FS1.png You and bjl12 keep avoiding answering the questions asked because you can't dance around the fact DAZN is charging customers for non PPV level fights about 95% of the year. I accept the fact Canelo is a PPV fighter so his fights being on DAZN are much less expensive than they would've been under the old model. His fight with Fielding wasn't even worth the $9.99 but yes that is much better than $69.99. No argument there. AJ/Povetkin, AJ/Miller (or Ruiz) and AJ/Whyte (rumored next fight) are not worth $9.99 or $19.99. Those are fights fans would be watching on SHO or HBO without having to pay extra since we already subscribe to those channels. The other fights DAZN is advertising through June 30, 2019 are not fights fans would generally pay anything extra for. DAZN is great for fans if a PPV fighter fights on the platform because it saves money when compared to the old model. DAZN is costly for fans when they charge for fights that otherwise wouldn't be an additional charge under the old model.

Showtime is free? Since when? PPV free? Really?? No high speed internet in 2019? Maybe boxing shouldnt be a concern if you cant afford to stream a YouTube video or Netflix show without buffering.... You avoided answering the question. SHO is a service you buy for things other than boxing. Boxing is a bonus you don't have to pay additionally for. Fox is free, as is CBS. FS1 and Bounce are included in your regular cable service. WHo said or implied PPV was free? Again you avoided answering the question. Many people don't have high speed internet in 2019 because internet is offered at different speeds for different prices. It would be nice if you could answer the questions to have an actual discussion about DAZN vs PBC. The fact is the #1 trending topic this weekend was DAZN sucks because of the issues many fans experienced trying to purchase the fight. I get that you are anti Haymon for whatever reasons but his product has never been trending so negatively. I'm here if you wish to have answer the questions posed to you.

The article states sub numbers havne't been released, but are expected to be at least 4M. ESPN is expected to have no more than 2M and they are the largest sports broadcaster IN THE WORLD. So DaZone doubling ESPN is pretty significant. Anthony Joshua has his first fight in the U.S. now. If he dominates and dominates again...it builds his U.S. profile and A.J. and Canelo are both in their primes. Meanwhile Deyonce (PBC) has NOBODY to fight and is 34 years old. Deyonce just ducked Joshua and is literally begging Fury for a rematch to redeem himself. Fury is with ESPN/TR, but I think PBC and TR/ESPN can do business. Hopefully they just push PBC out. PBC so cancerous for boxing, honestly If DAZN is great for boxing at $9.99 or $19.99 a month or $99 a year, how is PBC cancerous for boxing when it is not charging you anything for fights? That logic makes no sense. You keep failing to mention the other costs associated with DAZN. This weekend all those people that didn't have high speed internet kept having problems seeing the fight. There were people that ordered it and couldn't receive it. How is that good for the sport?

After Dazn got it’s reviews from this weekend, it’s safe to say they won’t be doing much in the US. Dazn sucks was #1 trending on twitter after the fight. I’ve never seen such a flawed product

DANZ won this weekend cause the finally got my money! Canelo vs Jacob's meh!

Cuz its a competitive sphere & it might not stay around or it might not stay in boxing. It could be in & out in 8yrs (the alleged length of the Matchroom deal) for all we know. And of course we are gonna talk about this. They've thrown a sh^tload of money into boxing & we talk boxing sh^t here. I just think a lot of you guys don't know the play DAZN is making. Its not so much a boxing play as a sports play. Too many cats here seem to think DAZN is only into boxing. I'm talking good about them when I see good & I talk bad about them when I see bad like everything else here. I'm not one of these fanboy weirdo's thats always hyping this one thing or sh^tting on this other thing all the time. I like some sh^t with x thing & I dislike some sh^t with x thing all day. Kinda like everyone should be who's not in a f#cking cult or have found the perfect thing that can't be improved. nothing is perfect pandas but st the moment DAZN are giving us the big names and the big fights at a fraction of what PPV is so that’s a good thing...it just do happens boxing is my passion and if DAZN adds to that then great whether it’s 8 years or 80 years ...enjoy the ride son

I'm a subscriber. I admit I just got it yesterday for $99 for the Canelo fight, and i'm looking forward to watching the Joshua fights. DAZN is kinda new, they will have a rise in subs. Last night helped short term but probably didn't help in the long run, they need KO's, not 12 round UD's.

LOL the fact you keep talking only about boxing tells me everything. DAZN is a SPORTS app. Its not a boxing app. They just happen to have boxing on their SPORTS app. DAZN's long term success has NOTHING to do with boxing. This isn't DAZN vs Showtime or PBC at all. This is DAZN vs ESPN + a bunch of streaming apps that'll show sports that aren't even in the line of site with the public right now. This sh^t is barely even started yet. And its bigger than boxing. So if its barely started why are you even comparing it then and speaking like its not going to stay the course ? It shouod be congratulated for giving us sports at such a reasonable price.

Are you dense? Thats what I'm doing. It breaks down to $33M a fight or $66M a year. I'm going by year. Why so combative over speculation you weirdo? I've bring this up in this very thread & brought this up numerous times. Keep up bro. There is a concern of how deep are DAZN's pockets & how long can they take a loss while not making a profit til they are fighting a losing battle. And their biggest obstacle that still lies ahead beyond that is how do they contend with competitors. Cuz what a lot of people aren't even taking into account is this sh^t is just getting started. DAZN has the early adopter edge being in the pool first in a big way with sports, but there are people with bigger money that haven't even fully dived into the streaming pool yet. And boxing ain't gonna matter in the long haul for DAZN. DAZN needs to win NFL rights. They need to win MLB right. They need to win NBA rights. NCAA football rights. They need to win rights like that. Anyone thinking DAZN wants to just be a boxing streaming platform is f#cking retarded. They wanna be the ESPN of streaming sports worldwide. Again man idk that you got a clue what DAZN is now or is trying to be. DAZN is getting into boxing cuz its the easiest sport to get into in the US with how TV rights work. If they can win rights to major sports in the US they will survive & be successful. If not they won't. And if they do win rights to the more profitable sports who knows if they even stay in boxing. I think people are a little to optimistic about the new kid on the street cuz they done so many big things outta the gate. I'm hopeful about any ent^ty putting money into boxing, but I'm still gonna discuss the realities of the situation both good & bad. And the reality for DAZN is they are gonna be bleeding money for a decade or longer (& I'd bet the over on a decade) probably still & they are likely prepared to bleed money for a decade or longer. But that doesn't mean it'll automatically be a W for them. This streaming sh^t is only in its beginning stages & I've said over & over the people that'll win this battle won't be the ones spending the most money it'll be the ones who'll bring innovation & customization to live sports. And so far f#cking UFC Fight Pass has won that battle with offering the ability to watch either corner between rounds & having alternative commentary for shows. Thats baby stuff for the options that'll be available at a future date & will be needed if DAZN or other players in this market will switch over major sports fans to paying for sh^t they've been getting for free or very low cost in the past. Boxing fans are used to paying to be fans. A lot of other fans aren't. i think your the ****ing dense one who thinks he knows the marketing and business plan of dazn.....who are DAZN biggest competitors ? Don't say showtime , top rank or espn you buffoon.....wilder did 300k ppv vs fury ....spence did 425k against garcia and crawford did 150k against khan.....its idiots like you who are trying to downgrade a brand new streaming module that has just litterally started in the scheme of things. Yeah you were breaking canelo fights down by each fight but you wasnt taking into consideration with the growth of DAZN in the next coming years. As i said all the major players in boxing are now on DAZN now so its only going to get bigger and bigger. Now fuxk off back to PBC where the lowlifes hang out

I don’t know if 4 million world wide is lower or exceeds the target Dazn had told advertisers. I do know Dazn has made a deal with msg network to show all the prelims live tonight which should boost sales in the ny metropolitan area.

Netflix been around since 1997 and launched streaming service in 2007. DAZN launched late 2016 and more then half the countries they in only launched less then 1 year ago. The real question is where was Netflix at 1-2 years in like DAZN is? The money they're throwing around though is way bigger than netflix was back then is the only issue I see. Now netflix can toss it like the paper it is, but with Dazn's contracts 4mil isn't going to cut it globally to cover their costs.

Who on earth wants to look into their numbers? It's a streaming subscription company. Either buy or don't. And plenty are missing the point. They're an internet startup. They don't necessarily need to be profitable. They need to grow. Which they are doing. And continuing to invest in.