I'm sure we would all prefer every fight be free as opposed to ppv, but people saying this shouldn't be a ppv because it's a mismatch are nuts. Daniel Jacobs is the next best 160 after GGG. Some would say Canelo, but I'd like to see him fight against a 160 at 160 and see if his power carries before agreeing with that.
#1 v. #2 or#3 depending on your preference is not a mismatch.
How is this a mismatch? DJ is one of the top guys at 160. I'd rather watch a fight for free than pay for it, but this is better matchmaking than below Smith or below Khan.
Chavez held out for a percentage, just as any legit draw would do, just as GGG's team is doing.
The idea that GBP doesn't know what the Canelo/GGG fight is worth and is overpaying with their offer of 15 million is laughably stupid. They have rooms full of bean counters to make sure they come away with as much money as possible.
No legitimate boxing writer or insider has said they think GGG should take that deal, because it's a bad deal.
Canelo has not made Mayweather/Pacman levels of PPV sales or money, he needs GGG also.
In the three fights, Chavez Jr made more money than Golovkin's made in his four fights since Chavez Jr's first one.
Money talks., regardless of how hard you've tried to ignore that
What Chavez gets paid from his promoter does mean he's a draw. If Haymon wants to pay me 10 million to fight in a closet with no audience, that doesn't mean I'm a boxing star.
Kov oulanded ward by a very small amount. Golovkin outlanded Jacobs by almost 60.
Because of knockdown Jacobs only wins if you find 7 rounds for him, which I think is a real stretch. Not crazy, but a stretch. Judges had it correct.
This whole thread is missing the forest through the trees.
This is no longer relevant because they are negotiating a split.
Loeffler insisted on a split, and Oscar said, no longer offering 15, now we're offering a split.
Somehow, even though that's exactly what Loeffler wanted, the Golovkin hater trolls spun that as a failure on GGG, instead of a negotiation win.
Getting what they wanted?? Lil G loses again! That's literally how dumb most of the crap on this forum becomes when discussing Golovkin.
This is also pointless because ORAL OFFERS ARE NOT BINDING. It doesn't matter if Golovkin accepts it, rejects it or does nothing, if it's not on paper to be signed, it isn't real. The only people who talk about it don't know how contracts work, or spin any information as somehow negative for Golovkin. GBP said flat out if the fight is close they may rematch Chavez instead. That shows you how binding their offer is, not at all.
Watch Bigdummy1 now throw out an 800 word salad worthy of Sarah Palin. If you're smart like me you won't stick around to read it :)
K2 and GGG are a mess. Yahoo appears to be the outlet of choice for K2. Loeffler leaked K2 PPV estimate to Yahoo who were the first media to officially release those numbers. Not fat boy dan or ESPN who it seems never breaks any details on GGG. So Yahoo is the media Loeffler uses. And Warren already exposed the fact that K2 and GGG are not on the same page as he said he was told by K2 aka Loeffler that GGG was injured and that was holding up the fight. Then Abel came out saying that's not true GGG is not injured. No way Mannix who is the mouth piece of Loeffler would report this if he wasn't told by Loeffler or someone else at K2. But Loeffler has been exposed as liar and 2 faced. First lied saying there was no agreement to fight Saunders. Lie Saunders released the text messages that prove there was agreement and contracts ready BEFORE Jacobs fight.
Probably GGG and his manager want the fight and are out of the loop and Loeffler just couldn't deliver it. My assumption has always been the hold up is MONEY. The kaza phuk stan fairy tale money never existed. Just like Pacman 35m Dubai offer never existed. Loeffler made promises to a bunch of people based on fake money that Loeffler can't come up with. But what a clown show K2 is. LMAO
Loeffler didn't leak anything, he told them what the numbers were, and that was to Kevin Iole, not Chris Mannix.
Frankly, you post nothing but anti-Golovkin stuff, and it's largely baseless. You are clearly biased and there is no reason anyone should listen to you.
Several times I have been the first person to post information that isn't available in the English news outlets yet. Why don't you try contributing something around here?
Exactly Loeffler decided to use Yahoo to break the promoter spin on the PPV buys. NOT ESPN. Fat Boy dan hasn't broke anything relevant regarding GGG so no clue why quoting them. Who is the one that told Yahoo this story? Who it the one who told Warren that GGG is injured but didn't first tell Abel so they could be on the same page with their BS excuse? This only comes from Loeffler. You got GGG coming out saying canelo will try and duck me watch him offer me a 2m low ball offer right before he fights Smith. Then after the fight Canelo and Oscar tell the world that weeks ago they sent Loeffler a 8 digit offer and hasn't gotten a response back making GGG sound like a phuking idiot. Meaning at the exact time GGG is saying they will offer me only 2m his promoter had an offer of ATLEAST 10m in his office. So did Loeffler keep this info from GGG or is GGG lying because Loeffler days later confirmed that the offer from Golden Boy was received and has NEVER denied the amount. Next Loeffler comes out before the jacobs fight saying we will agree to be the B side with Canelo getting more then GGG out his own mouth a week later GGG contradicts his own promoter says he want's a 50/50 offer for Canelo.
You trying to make sense of this non sense when the truth is Promoter, Manager, Fighter, Trainer has all proven to not be on the same page and are not singing the same message. Sorry GGG camp is a hot mess. GGG manager coming out speaking against something that was put out clearly by Loeffler. Just like Loeffler NEVER came out denying he told Warren GGG is injured he won't come out denying this report either just watch. This is amateur hour they can't make any big fights and can't even get their lies straight.
Total speculation. I suspect you wrote that on your tin foil hat.
Speculation? Loeffler has never disputed that Golden Boy offer was 8 figures, never disputed that Warren was told GGG is injured and has yet to dispute the Yahoo report. If all these people just lying on GGG why hasn't his promoter come out to set the record straight? Maybe because nobody is lying but this clown Loeffler.
I said day 1 the money in kaza phuk stan wasn't real and even your own dumb azzz made posts saying they are having trouble coming up with the money. So is the kaza phuk stan government lying too? You tell us what the hold up is if Saunders has already agreed to every demand and they had contracts already drawn up BEFORE the Jacobs fight?
Bigdummy, they haven't been commenting on rumors because they are in closed negotiations. Do you know what the word closed means?
You obviously don't know the difference between an oral offer and a contract, or you're too much of a troll to care. Oral offers can be withdrawn or changed, even if the other side says, sure, I'll take it. They aren't worth anything. Real negotiations are done privately, and Oscar doesn't do them at all, Gomez does. When Oscar offers this or that it's just to hype a fight.
Yeah I posted original information, unlike you who just pounds out a worthless word salad. And when I speculate, I admit that I am speculating, because my opinions are based on facts and not the other way around.
1. Floyd intentionally played the heel role in order to sell his fights. Ancient promotional technique. Why is Floyd PPV star while a other excellent black HOF boxers, e.g. Tim Bradley, are unknown? Playing the role of the heel.
2. He's also not that great a guy in real life. Went to jail for an altercation with baby mama or gf, whoever.
3. Didn't always face the best opponents. I think over all he faced as many top guys versus easy fights as any other star, but it's something you could argue.
4. Boring fighter. If you're a boxing purist, sure you can appreciate how good he was, but he didn't put on much of a show for casual fans. The older he got the more he relied on clinching, which really the refs shouldn't even be allowing. Boxing purists should be upset by the clinching as much as anyone.
5. Doping allegations. Mayweather insisted on a doping company that was essentially in his pocket, rather than the universal VADA standard. He determined when doping began as he controlled when he would announce his fights, giving him an easy way to cycle doping periods.
6. Racism. For some people could be an issue, racism sure seems to come up a lot in boxing forums, youtube.
I had a seventh as well but I forgot it. Personally I don't dislike him as much as I once did, but I can still see a lot of reasons people may feel that way.
He just has to not gas out, he dominated first half of the fight. He has said that he over trained the first time. Even in the second half I thought he obviously won round 10 and it was robbery that the judges didn't give it to him but whatever.
18 months is too much leeway time.
It's a shame to end a line that went back to Hopkins, if they actually make Golovkin Canelo, I'm sure Canelo will be ranked number 2 and that will reestablish/continue the line.
If it doesn't get made I'm glad Canelo-Lemiuex won't be for the lineal, though otherwise it should be a fun and good fight.
Since Golovkin already beat the #2 in Jacobs, I doubt that they would require a rematch if Canelo does go with Lemiuex, but who knows.
Also, everyone thinks being really good means never losing, that's the Mayweather model. Which is ****, being great means you take risks and fight the best.
Its not some Astana organization, but rather the Administration of the City of the Astana or the Government of Astana if you wish. And the head of tourism whose words about 17th of July were refuted is a head of the division of the tourism within the Government of Astana. Capish? By the way this head of tourism was penalized for such premature statement.
Awesome thanks for the information.
You trying to spin this. If this true it shows nothing but K2 being a bunch of bumbling idiots. The entire excuse was June is not ducking canelo because he still has time to fight canelo in sept and make that deal. July makes it impossible and now means they took this bum fight nobody cares about RATHER then take sept offer for canelo. Pure duck move if it happens. LMAO
There is no September offer, odh has said they may rematch with chavez jr. if it's close. Also for reasons I stated, Canelo likely won't be fighting in September.
You probably can't tell but I actually like Canelo as a fighter, but the way you dishonestly troll for him makes me defend Golovkin.
Why would they go get Jacobs for the card? If info is legit then they haven't decided who his opponent is. Lemieux has said he expects to fight someone bigger than Jacobs, so probably Cotto, though that seems hard to believe. Lemieux getting that Mando against Saunders seems likely, and I think he'd take that fight over Jacobs as well.
So maybe GBP doesn't like the mandatory fight and is looking to establish tureano Johnson? I dunno
Are Golovkin haters so desperate they have to make arguments this bad?
Premise 1: One fan has an opinion.
Premise 2: All fans are identical.
Conclusion: All fans have this opinion.
What was the point of this garbage thread? You didn't really even upset anyone, everybody just pointed out in various ways that your argument is stupid.
FIrst of all, we are talking about offers, not contracts that have been signed. If ODH said contracts it's because he's an exaggerating blowhard trying to take the pressure off of Canelo. The same time ODH said he was offering this or that, he was also saying Canelo will rematch Chavez in September if Chavez wins or if the fight is close.
Anyone pretending this 15 million just needed golovkin's signature to be set in stone are lying to try and make golovkin look bad. Sad haters.
Liam Smith, exactly not good enough to get the big fights. Lol.
Cotto should fight Bradley and Marquez at 147 for legacy. How much money must roc nation lose paying Cotto and ward to fight cream puffs 2 out of every 3 fights?
Saul Alvarez wins a Majority Decision after 12 rounds of being embarrassingly outboxed.
Scared this is true, Judges: 'body shots count for double right??'