Source for Oscar/GBP offer of 15 mill to GGG?

This is very funny to read, Oscar has a reason to try and make it look like ggg is ducking, to save his cash cow, why should k2 have to confirm or deny anything, it has nothing to do with the boxing fans, why do you all feel so entitled that you think k2 should confirm anything, actions speak louder than words, canelo has avoided this fight after the cotto fight, after the khan fight, so what makes everybody think that this fight will be made in September, I think k2 are mad for not taking the Saunders fight, it will be either of 2 things happening in September, canelo Chavez Jr rematch Or floyd Mc Gregor fighting, ggg hasn't aged enough for oscars liking, so let's look at facts, there is no link, anything that has been said has come from GBP whom have a vested interest in making ggg look bad, I think that pretty well sums it up Pretty much sums it up. It's important to note it has been Canelo who has done all the running. Took the kHan fight, then said he'd fight GGG but left the division and now has gone above and beyond the division lol

This is very funny to read, Oscar has a reason to try and make it look like ggg is ducking, to save his cash cow, why should k2 have to confirm or deny anything, it has nothing to do with the boxing fans, why do you all feel so entitled that you think k2 should confirm anything, actions speak louder than words, canelo has avoided this fight after the cotto fight, after the khan fight, so what makes everybody think that this fight will be made in September, I think k2 are mad for not taking the Saunders fight, it will be either of 2 things happening in September, canelo Chavez Jr rematch Or floyd Mc Gregor fighting, ggg hasn't aged enough for oscars liking, so let's look at facts, there is no link, anything that has been said has come from GBP whom have a vested interest in making ggg look bad, I think that pretty well sums it up

And yet Loeffler didn't call his bluff and accept 15m or expose him to the media with a "fake" offer. I don't know you, but I would think this boxing business is new to you? You see GGG is negotiating the fight he has been looking for for his entire career. What do you think would happen if Loeffler came out and revealed the full extent of the 8 figure offer? Do you think GBP would just sit back and continue negotiating? Ofc not. Loeffler knows that he represents the b-side here. If the a-side gets unhappy about whatever, he knows they can call off negotiations just like that, and he won't be able to do a thing about it. So as long as there is a chance that the fight gets made, don't expect Loeffler to come out and say anything that potentially jeopardizes the fight.

This doesn't make sense. We just want the fight announced. Oscar said 8 figures. What number does that start at? 10 million? That's the only technical starting number when saying "8 figures." So what does it matter if it's 10-15 million? Get it? For Gomez to say that "innacurate" and ggg fans to spin it only suggests that there are details beyond just "8 figures." Perhaps some PPV upside, rematch clauses, etc.. at any rate, who would disagree that Gennady doesn't deserve 8 figures (10mil starting point)? Fat Dan loves Oscar and GGG. Any inaccurate trolling from Dan, does 15mil benefit any different than Oscar saying "8 figures?" It might have been 99m for all we know. Boxingscene has learned it was 10 though as I said. We have no idea of what other stipulations there might be.

No, Lloefler never affirms it. Keep dreaming. You need the question, and the answer. You only get an answer there, but the question is not written. And even if it's written, it's not a confirmation of anything. He just says he counter offered something. Never explained what that something was. Not dreaming, son. And all I need is the common sense God gave me.

What we have is Oscar saying 8 figures and "2,3, or 4 times his best payday" Well, 8 figures means at least 10M. And if 5M is Lil g's best payday then 15M is right there. The funny thing is when folks ask Loeffler about it, not only does he fail to deny it, but he ANSWERS THE QUESTION AS IF THE ALLEGATION IS TRUE. For example, this from the LA Times: Loeffler, responding to an offer to fight Canelo Alvarez next September while trying to schedule Golovkin’s next fight, provided updates on both situations Wednesday. Loeffler said he has made a written, undisclosed counteroffer to fight Alvarez after Oscar De La Hoya, Alvarez’s promoter, said late Saturday night that he could pay three-belt middleweight champion Golovkin at least $10 million plus an undisclosed pay-per-view percentage... ...A boxing official unauthorized to comment on financial figures of Golovkin’s Sept. 10 fifth-round technical-knockout triumph over Kell Brook said that bout generated more than 500,000 buys in the U.K. “A flat fee for a fight is usually given to a fighter or contender who’s clearly the ‘B’ side,” Loeffler told The Times. “My offer back to was based on a percentage, just like we saw in the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao agreement.” There is your smoking gun. Loeffler DOES NOT DENY the claim that he has such an offer from GBP and AFFIRMS IT by talking about a counter offer which differs in structure from the offer he tacitly acknowledged he has received. He says FLAT FEE and PERCENTAGE, all the verification anyone should really need. But, of course, this is NSB... No, Lloefler never affirms it. Keep dreaming. You need the question, and the answer. You only get an answer there, but the question is not written. And even if it's written, it's not a confirmation of anything. He just says he counter offered something. Never explained what that something was.

What we have is Oscar saying 8 figures and "2,3, or 4 times his best payday" Well, 8 figures means at least 10M. And if 5M is Lil g's best payday then 15M is right there. The funny thing is when folks ask Loeffler about it, not only does he fail to deny it, but he ANSWERS THE QUESTION AS IF THE ALLEGATION IS TRUE. For example, this from the LA Times: Loeffler, responding to an offer to fight Canelo Alvarez next September while trying to schedule Golovkin’s next fight, provided updates on both situations Wednesday. Loeffler said he has made a written, undisclosed counteroffer to fight Alvarez after Oscar De La Hoya, Alvarez’s promoter, said late Saturday night that he could pay three-belt middleweight champion Golovkin at least $10 million plus an undisclosed pay-per-view percentage... ...A boxing official unauthorized to comment on financial figures of Golovkin’s Sept. 10 fifth-round technical-knockout triumph over Kell Brook said that bout generated more than 500,000 buys in the U.K. “A flat fee for a fight is usually given to a fighter or contender who’s clearly the ‘B’ side,” Loeffler told The Times. “My offer back to was based on a percentage, just like we saw in the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao agreement.” There is your smoking gun. Loeffler DOES NOT DENY the claim that he has such an offer from GBP and AFFIRMS IT by talking about a counter offer which differs in structure from the offer he tacitly acknowledged he has received. He says FLAT FEE and PERCENTAGE, all the verification anyone should really need. But, of course, this is NSB...

Okay I have no desire to get into a discussion on the reliability of PPV buys from various sources, but lets cut right to the chase of what I don't believe to be an arguable point. Canelo is selling MORE PPV's to lesser opponents then GGG does vs his best, most known opponents. Thats the main context & the most important part of my point. If you wanna argue that GGG is doing 900k buys vs Cotto you are gonna have to find someone else to debate that with cuz that is rolling into trolling territory. Canelo is the A side & the A side by a mile. Canelo is the A-side, we agree on that. I made my math and I believe Canelo deserves twice as much money as Golovkin. Not more than that. 67/33 split.

Yup the irony here is somehow Rafael is not creditable source when he says the 8 digit offer was 15m that GGG turned down. but when he says GGG is getting 10m in broke azzz kaza phuk stan the same clowns are not asking for proof of this, a link, or direct quote from Loeffler to confirm it. None of those exist but Dan's word was more then enough to take as gospel for Maxi pad and soul survivor. At least try to be consistent. If fat boy dan lied on GGG then Loeffler needs to speak up. If Oscar told the world in his press conference that GGG has a 8 digit offer that they refuse to accept then Loeffler needs to speak up on it. If they don't they hurt GGG's image and make it seem like all these reports are true and GGG has to answer why he turned that money down Ok... first, Tom never has given away any fight negotiation details & numbers even before the fight was made.. Tom being C.nt he is, won't even refute anything or try to shame other promoters if they go ahead & tell the media one version of the story.. Remember Oscar/Gomez themselves said they won't negotiate thru the media & it will be behind closed doors.. yet they come out and give statements about the numbers & stuff.. The last person to comment on negotiations/offer should be Golovkin.. His team does(or doesn't do) the job for him, he won't sit through every negotiations himself.. Nobody from GBP says 15mil + these are the terms for the fight/rematch because for all we know it might not even be the money but the other clauses that might be the issue or up for negotiations.. There is no concrete proof that one party is in the right & the others are hesitant to make the fight..

This whole thread is missing the forest through the trees. This is no longer relevant because they are negotiating a split. Loeffler insisted on a split, and Oscar said, no longer offering 15, now we're offering a split. Somehow, even though that's exactly what Loeffler wanted, the Golovkin hater trolls spun that as a failure on GGG, instead of a negotiation win. Getting what they wanted?? Lil G loses again! That's literally how dumb most of the crap on this forum becomes when discussing Golovkin. This is also pointless because ORAL OFFERS ARE NOT BINDING. It doesn't matter if Golovkin accepts it, rejects it or does nothing, if it's not on paper to be signed, it isn't real. The only people who talk about it don't know how contracts work, or spin any information as somehow negative for Golovkin. GBP said flat out if the fight is close they may rematch Chavez instead. That shows you how binding their offer is, not at all. Watch Bigdummy1 now throw out an 800 word salad worthy of Sarah Palin. If you're smart like me you won't stick around to read it :)

Idk about 250k, but for sure Canelo is in that 400k-ish range lately. Lets put it in full context too doe. Canelo does 400k-ish vs some of his least competitive & lesser known opponents & GGG can't get 200k for some of his best & most known opponents. No doubt it was & probably still is the biggest fight in boxing. I'm just not confident it can sell 1.5M PPV's which is the range where $15M/Gtd for the B side numbers might make more sense to throw around. Only 8 fights in PPV boxing history have gotten 1.5+ buys & I'm not confident GGG has enough pull in the PPV market to get them to that number & if Canelo can even get to 2/3's of the way to that number as the A side is still a legit question in the air. Canelo vs Smith sold about 250k and GBP announced 300k. That's not 400ish. Showtime announced 300k PPV buys for Canelo vs Lara. The fight with Khan was 400ish but Khan is a high profile fighter. Against Angulo, again 300k max. Kirkland I believe was on free HBO.

bigdunny smacking all the ggg-strings in here lol

True. Good point. Oscar is the promoter throwing out numbers all the time like he's the Vince McMahon of boxing. Let him pull out this alleged $15M contract since he's one of the promotional outlier with pushing forth his financial moves. Plus shooting down all the nutty sh^t Oscar says would be a full time job for anyone lets quit acting like he's not prone to this type of behavior. And yet Loeffler didn't call his bluff and accept 15m or expose him to the media with a "fake" offer. Name one time he's been accused of making an offer for fight and then the rival promoter saying it was lie? Meanwhile I literally listed multiple example of Loeffler being exposed as a liar just within the last year. Just because you don't think the fight is worth that much don't mean the offer wasn't real. And damn sure doesn't prove Oscar is lying. But I can prove Loeffler a liar and I can prove that Loeffler has NEVER once denied the amount nor anyone else in the GGG team. Saunders called Loeffler's bluff him and warren accepted every demand even agreed to go to Kaza phuk stan if needed to make the fight. But GGG couldn't call Oscar's bluff on this so called fake offer that they admitted to receiving? GTFO

Don't you think $15M/Gtd is a great offer for any 200k B-side PPV guy no strings attached? I think Floyd only got a $10M/Gtd offer for Oscar & he had better PPV results + he had more talent + had some intangibles to help make the fight bigger in most peoples minds & which he ended up doing cuz that was Oscar's biggest fight of his career. Granted that was a decade ago, but I don't see that inflation has jumped THAT much, but maybe I'm incorrect. And why didn't he jump on it? Cuz you can't jump on something that was never legit offered to you is my theory until I've seen it proven that it was a legit offer. Yea I'll do that right after you list all the times Tommy L has discussed numbers in the media previously before a fight got made. An 8 digit offer & $15M might be the same thing I can't argue with you there, but it also might be $5M & 50% higher an offer too you can't argue with me there either is the thing. An offer being too good for you to believe is not proof the offer isn't real! 15m all depends on how much Golden Boy believes the PPV would do. I do think a Canelo/GGG fight was a safer bet for Golden Boy a year ago then it is now that GGG/Jacobs flopped so badly. Which is why you take the offer that was on the table they phuking idiots for passing because his stock went down. I think it's as simple as GGG camp priced themselves out. They gambled on GGG being a bigger star then he really is. If Oscar said he gave a 8 digit offer and someone came out saying no Oscar is lying and it's a he said she said type thing I can understand calling Oscar out on this one. But when GGG entire camp goes silent when Abel cant seem to shut up about anything and Loeffler has come out speaking on other details and reports why not this one? GGG doing interviews saying I want 50/50 deal it's clear to me this offer was real and these idiots passed up thinking a better deal was coming because they really think GGG is a superstar too bad the PPVs for Jacobs fight killed all that. Now they look like fools and got their fangirls trying to argue it's not real when Loeffler ain't even doing it. Got you saying the offer wasn't real for no other evidence then I think it's more then GGG is worth. yet GGG out his own mouth says I want 50/50 his team have proven they are delusional and don't have pulse on what he's worth. He making 2m and turning down 8 digit offers. LMAO

Fat Dan is reverse Arum. Yesterday he was telling the truth. Today he's lying. But yea this. And Tommy L doesn't seem to talk specifics very often, for better or worse, but he's changed nothing in how he operates. And Oscar hasn't changed anything...he's still pulling stuff outta his ass to get things going his way as best he can. Hence why I don't believe him to be dumb enough to offer a 200k PPV guy $15M/Gtd. I mean ffs there is a story up right now where Oscar is saying Canelo vs Chavez Jr is going to be like Morales vs Barrera. Okkkkkkkkkkaaaaaayyyyyyy Oscar. Canelo is also a 250k ppv guy when he fights nobodies... so don't misjudge that. You think that GGG vs Cotto wouldn't sell well? You think GGG vs Mayweather wouldn't sell a lot too? When Canelo sold well it was because he fought against high profile fighters. When he didn't the sales dropped badly to between 250k and 300k. GGG vs Canelo wasn't called the biggest fight in boxing last year just because. It really was at that time. So GGG deserves some credit, there's something in him that is not present on Canelo vs... Liam smith. So from that POV, Golovkin deserves at least a 30 or 35% of the split.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZY89EO_Ae84/maxresdefault.jpg FACKKKK..... Lil G exposed lol :loser::loser:

Well to his credit, he reported what he heard.. All I am saying is, people toggle between when they find his info credible & when they don't.. lol true Fat Dan is reverse Arum. Yesterday he was telling the truth. Today he's lying. But yea this. And Tommy L doesn't seem to talk specifics very often, for better or worse, but he's changed nothing in how he operates. And Oscar hasn't changed anything...he's still pulling stuff outta his ass to get things going his way as best he can. Hence why I don't believe him to be dumb enough to offer a 200k PPV guy $15M/Gtd. I mean ffs there is a story up right now where Oscar is saying Canelo vs Chavez Jr is going to be like Morales vs Barrera. Okkkkkkkkkkaaaaaayyyyyyy Oscar. man Dan is just doing his job and reporting stuff, however he should be more careful with inaccurate or unproven info but like I always say, boxing journalism is some of the worst in sport

And Tommy L doesn't seem to talk specifics very often, for better or worse, but he's changed nothing in how he operates. And Oscar hasn't changed anything...he's still pulling stuff outta his ass to get things going his way as best he can. Hence why I don't believe him to be dumb enough to offer a 200k PPV guy $15M/Gtd. How many promoters do talk about negotiations? Cant recall hearing about negotiation specifics from the UK promoters, or PBC fights for that matter, normally it comes out after the fights are confirmed.

DAYYYYUUUUMMMM. :bukkake: you got a source I gotta see https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZY89EO_Ae84/maxresdefault.jpg

Just because you hate Oscar doesn't change the fact that if he lied then it's on Loeffler to expose that. Instead loeffler said he got the offer and have never disputed the amount. I seen jokers like you say that Oscar lied about the offer that was sent to Chavez and then after a month later Chavez signed and it was for the exact same amount that had been reported a month earlier. Funny how Warren and Saunders exposed Loeffler as a 2 faced liar and that fight blew up because of it, you see how much a nightmare the Jacobos fight was which missed the HBO Dec date with Jacobs side taking shots at Loeffler, and Loeffler has not made a single big fight with guys like Ward exposing him as a liar. So one guy is a PROVEN liar and incompetent promoter yet you keep thinking Oscar is the one lying without a shred of evidence and with GGG, his promoter, trainer all not once saying he lied about the offer? Get off your Oscar hate agenda and see that only 1 side is constantly being exposed for lying and that's loeffler look no further then the Warren Loeffler told me GGG is injured BS and then Saunders showing the text message for the agreement that Loeffler told reporters didn't exist. See I can point out specific line by line bs from Loeffler. DAYYYYUUUUMMMM. :bukkake: you got a source I gotta see