Ok so let's just say Manny turned it down twice and Mayweather, well, we lost count.
What is the problem now? Why can't it be made? And I dont want some lame excuse like Manny had his chance, this is a business right?
Honestly, no. But I did see the poll asking which fighter seemed to be preventing the fight. Mayweather won that fight hands down. It can't be that there are more Pacquiao fans either, Mayweather is undisputed PPV king with triple PPV sales than Manny.
Who do You blame for Pacquiao - Mayweather Not Happening?
Floyd Mayweather (79%, 3,461 Votes)
Manny Pacquiao (21%, 895 Votes)
Total Voters: 4,356
Manny turned down the offer not the fight. Manny even suggested winner takes bigger purse. So stop trying to defend Floyd when he's clearly the one with a million excuses.
As I said, floyd very easily could have made a more reasonable offer. But I put it on manny because he turned down 50/50 in 2009. Since he did, its on him to make up for that decision. If that means taking $40 mil and no ppv, I don't care.
You can't keep asking floyd to make up fo manny's actions. Whenevr floyd does something we ask him to correct it. The same has to apply to manny.
SInce he played his cards wrong and made a decision that hurt the fans, its time for him to make up for it. That doesn't mean floyd should make manny do what tr made jmm, tim, shane do-but if he chooses to do so I expect posters to feel the same way about it as the did when manny/bob did it.
So because they couldn't agree on terms in 2009, the fight shouldn't be made? When Floyd since then has thrown a million road blocks? What are you saying exactly? That's what negotiations are for, holding the 2009 failure to make a fight as the reason it wasn't made today is not a valid reason, sorry.
Thats sounds about right. Boxing insider with goldman and scoop malinowski are known floyd haters. the site has like 6 or 7 anti floyd articles up now. Hey, they are entitled.
I imagine if the same poll was taken on fighthype it would be different.
Boy, floyds little xmas card really set people off.
That poll WAS taken on fight hype. It's still on there. ;)
I think floyd mayweather is trying to eek every single cent he can out of manny pacquio to fight. I think floyd knows he is playing with house money. I think floyd sees manny has financial troubles (same as odh saw in floyd). I think floyd is going to use his leverage the same way SRL did to Hagler.
I think floyd very easily at some point could have set aside the pettiness over manny refusing to fight in 2009 and made this fight happen. I think floyd very easily could make manny a better offer. I think floyd wants to humilate Manny. I think floyd is a selfish egotistical narcisstic fighter who cares only about lining his pockets and not about lifting the sport.
Unfortunately, its not just about fighting manny pacqiuo its about belittling him in front of his fans.
I think you're an intelligent person, but you are just reaching by defending Mayweather (whether back in 2009 or now). Again, if I am not mistaken, the problem in 2009 was random testing and which agency to use. Was it not? However, I don't think formal negotiations ever even took place. I don't think they ever have, everything was always negotiated through the media.
What you do have correct is Mayweather's behavior. His antics have always been to belittle and humiliate his opponents before fights. Mind games to get the upper hand. I think its a combination of making himself feel comfortable and believing he can win to amping up a fight with his bad guy persona.
Why is he posting a meme of Pacquiao? I think it's a sign that this coming year the fight will be made and he is just beginning the mind games. Trying to strike a nerve clearly.
Finally, Mayweather keeps talking about he won't do this and won't do that. Isn't Showtime the one who has the final say? It would be really interesting to know the process in fight selection for Mayweather with Showtime now involved.
;14049479']Convince people he's better than Pac without actually having to fight him.
This. Pacquiao is the only relevant threat to Mayweather's "0" who also makes financial sense. All the other threats, which there aren't many, he can avoid because they only appeal to real boxing fans. To the casual boxing fan, the only real threat is Pacquiao.
In Mayweather's mind, it's simple. Why risk my main marketing tool, the "0" by fighting Pacquiao, when I can "sell" fans on less threatening fighters and still get my financial guarantee. He can then retire undefeated, and in his mind as the GOAT both skills wise and marketing wise. King of the ring and PPV.
Pacquiao's losses inevitably cost him a shot with Mayweather. Pacquiao did what Mayweather is to afraid to do. Fight the harder challenges and risk it all. Now Mayweather sits on the throne barking orders, while Pacquiao is trying to revive his career.
At the end of the day, this makes Mayweather seem like a genius because let's face it, Pacquiao's appeal has diminished. (I don't believe his skills have diminished all that much) While cherry picker has grown into a walking legend. But true boxing fans know the truth, one fighter took the harder road and naturally had some road bumps along the way, the other took the easy route but leads people to believe his route was just as hard.
BT: Do you think it was a bad idea for him to make the jump from 135 to 147?
FM: I mean, of course he has the best management team in the world because, at one particular time, they picked the right opponent at welterweight, which was Paulie Malignaggi. He's not a big puncher, whereas Maidana, he's a big puncher. The Malignaggi fight was chosen by his management team. The Maidana fight was chosen by Adrien himself. He should have his management team continue to pick his fights for him; that's why he's got his management team. I'm not saying that was a bad fight for him, you know; it was just a learning experience. With the Malignaggi fight, they chose Paulie because he was going up to welterweight to be a part of history. Paulie's a very, very good boxer. Take nothing away from Paulie, he's a very good boxer, but he's not a big puncher, so his management team didn't feel like Paulie was really a threat. But even though Paulie Malignaggi isn't a big puncher, he is a slick boxer, so you gotta watch him because he can upset a guy. His management team done a brilliant job as far as picking Paulie and making history with that fight for Adrien.
This. What a clown, at least Broner had the balls to take a challenging fight. Basically laying the blueprint for his cherry picking. What a joke this has become.
You know you might be right and that's real sad. All the figher these days are claiming friendship and brothership with guys they don't even know. Sadly American fighters are only interested in earning money and not proving who is best with all that homo friendship stuff.
Man I wish today was like the Leonard, Hearns, and Hagler era.
I agree. It's all about the money these days, not that it wasn't before but at least the best would fight the best in the past.
have one unbiased ranking agency and the top 8 in each division fight in a tournament every year. next year tournament starts over with different rising guys or some of the same guys depending on how they did. this will prevent duckers who are ranked #1 from cherry picking easy competition and staying on top. you have to prove yourself every year. anyone who says they can't fight because their opponent lives too far away is immediately kicked out of boxing.
I like that idea.
PED TESTING, PED TESTING, AND PED TESTING.
Boxing has an epidemic of drugs cheats in it, because virtually all fights have zero effective drug testing.
So I'd start with instituting a biological passport, such as they do in cycling, swimming, and tennis. This would be funded with 10% of profits from all fights.
And cheaters such as Lamont Peterson would be handed life time bans, with all prize money withheld, and would be rewarded with being sued in court by the promoters and governing bodies.
Wasn't aware of that passport, interesting.
Its all about who you like. Some people will scream at guys like Broner and Floyd for not moving up multiple divisions. And in the same breathe they have no problem with guys like Canelo, PWill, and Margarito cutting 20 to 30 lbs to fight at the lower divisions. Plus I dont hear anybody lobbying for Ward and Matthysse to move up in weight either. Its all about who you like in the sport of boxing.
I agree. I think the sport of boxing needs to be reformed. Promoters and all these useless belts do nothing but complicate the process of making fights. It's ridiculous. Maybe if the fans would get together instead to clean up this messed up system instead of cheer leading for fighters we would get to see all the best fights at the given weight limits. Until then, you can't blame the fighters or promoters because we allow them to get away with this bs.
I disagree with your Mayweather vs Marquez comment, Mayweather came in over the weight limit and fought a Marquez which had never fought at 147. It was a mismatch from the get go and Marquez paid for it. I think the "new" Marquez gives Floyd a better fight but still loses. Let's not forget Marquez was getting rocked by Pacquiao in the 4th fight. He wasn't brilliant, his one counter was though.
As for Floyd, I don't like the guy. At the same time 154 isn't his weight class. Problem is, like always he twists things when convenient to him. So if he knows he can beat a guy at 154, he'll fight at 154 and then brag about it. If he thinks he's it's too much of a disadvantage he'll argue it's not his weight class. His team is king at manipulating facts to his advantage. Always have and always will.
Reality is, Pacquiao is the only legitimate fight for him at 147. I doubt he loses to Canelo at 154, only factor against him is his weight disadvantage and the fact Canelo is a good fighter. But Canelo is nowhere near Floyd's level.
As much as I don't like Mayweather's attitude, at the moment there is nobody at 147 besides Pacquiao who I see giving him problems. Maybe Matthysse after a couple more fights, maybe.
Dont mistake what Floyd fans say for Floyds own comments. Obviously 154 isnt Floyds natural weight class but he has proven he will make the move up for the big money fights. Cotto and De La Hoya are his two highest grossing fights so he's not just fighting anybody. Canelo is the type of fighter that can bring in that type of revenue, which I why he will be offered the fight. But Floyds not going to campaign there for the duration of his career. He's been at 147 since 2006 and he still cant make the 154lb limit.
You're right, I don't follow Floyd enough to know all his statements. But the bit I do follow, I have seen him contradict himself. But, yes I agree with what you said.
Mayweather-Matthysse makes no sense right now. Lucas needs a couple more fights under his belt, and at 147! This would be a career suicide for Matthysse. He would lose and his stock would drop. He needs to ride this wave a bit longer, get better and then fight Floyd. I'm a big Matthysse fan, but he isn't ready for Floyd.
I'd rather watch Floyd fight Khan than Garcia. Khan's problem is he's his own worst enemy. If he fought smarter and used his size to his advantage he would be a solid fighter. His speed and style could possibly give Floyd issues, that being said I still see Floyd winning and most likely by KO. Garcia on the other hand stands no chance, Floyd will pick him apart with ease.
I rewatched the fight and thought Pacquiao fought an impressive fight and doesn't look like he lost a step to me. I really don't think you guys are giving Bradley the credit he deserves. He is definitely a tricky fighter, fast, and throws a lot of punches. Just for comparison:
Pacquiao vs Cotto:
Total Punches Thrown 780
Landed 337
Pct 43%
Pacquiao vs JMM III
Total Thrown 578
Landed 176
Pct 30%
Pacquiao vs Bradley I
Total Thrown 751
Landed 253
Pct 24%
Bradley:
Total Thrown 839
Landed 159
Pct 19%
Pacquiao vs Rios
Total Thrown 790
Landed 281
Pct 36%
Pacquiao vs Bradley II
Total Thrown 563
Landed 198
Pct 35%
Bradley Stats:
Total Thrown 627
Landed 141
Pct 22%
So clearly, the different styles affect the punches thrown. Bradley threw more punches than Pacquiao in host fights, but clearly in second both outputs were down as they were being more cautious.
I don't think so, he was just a lot more aggressive in the fight which leaves openings. Honestly he looked the best he had in years. His speed, combos and accuracy were on point and he was winning the fight...I felt he was starting to takeover more and more with Marquez breathing heavy (that much more muscle does that to ya) and his face was marked up pretty bad.
Honestly, Pac may not be AS GOOD as he was during 2008/2009 but he still up there with the best in his weight division. He probably hasn't got that that level of drive but he's still a beast. Marquez caught him clean, caught him coming in and thats all she wrote.
My thoughts exactly. The only difference I could see with Ariza's training or whatever, is that The Pacquiao of two years ago would've probably knocked down Marquez with some of those shots.