A clip from some article about Floyd Mayweather Jr

Floyd beat a much better version of Oscar De La Hoya back in 2007. Oscar wasn't weight drained. Terrible article it was probably written by Ed Tolentino, Chino/Recah Trinidad and wannabee Ronnie Nathanielz.

Anyone who thinks Oscar was a shell when he fought Lil Floyd is a fool. Oscar was in probably the best shape of his life. Free of any toxins.

If there is one boxing fan alive who ever believed that Mayweather was really retired for good, they better go back to watching reruns on the ScFi channel. The truth is Floyd Mayweather was never retired, nor did he ever let himself get out of shape. Incidentally, the second part of that is commendable. The first part is a joke. All Floyd has been doing is waiting around for the guys in his "real" division to either get old (Shane Mosley) lose (Miguel Cotto), get beat up (Antonio Margarito) outgrow the division (Paul Williams) and fall off the radar (Kermit Cintron). He beat Marquez so convincingly that JMM has hardly complained or even asked for rematch. Even JMM the king of "I want a rematch" wants no business in the ring with Floyd again. If weight was the only factor in May's win, I'm sure Marquez would've wanted a rematch seeing that he is a more legitimate WW now. How long are boxing fans going to be made a fool of by this manager/fighter? I have no problem with a fighter trying to make as much money with the least risk possible, to a degree. Joe Frazier has the best saying I've ever heard regarding the boxing business. It goes, "Boxing is the only sport where you get your brains shook, your money took, and your name in the undertaker’s book." Having said that, great fighters, I mean all-time great fighters, something I'm not convinced Floyd Mayweather Jr. is, seek out fights with other great fighters their size. Yeah this is completely opinionated but let's see if this goes anywhere You'd think Mayweather would see that to a degree Roy Jones, who was a greater and more skilled fighter than him, suffers today from the perception of not always seeking fights that offered the biggest challenge. To this day Roy continues to fight to keep fans from forgetting who he was. Yeah, in a way we "Musta Forgot." This is what happens when you fight too many Clinton Woods.’ Yet again pretty opinionated I'm not saying Mayweather can't beat Mosley, Cotto or Margarito. However, I can't say that he can either. I also know how the game works and what he's doing. This is fighting just to make the most money with the least risk so he can retire undefeated. He can't say that, but I can. Instead he tells us how great he is and sadly more than a few fans buy his BS. Now he's just being condescending which obviously shows bias (something good analysts/writers aren't supposed to do) Great? Maybe. I think outstanding is more the case. It's a joke and insult saying that he's in the same class as Sugar Ray Robinson, and he has to pay his way into the gym just to watch Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns wrap their hands. Look at the list of who's who that they fought compared to Mayweather. More condescending babble before an argument has even been made and supported, weak logical construction Floyd actually has had more name fighters to fight than Roy Jones did during his prime. Does it take much imagination to wonder what Mayweather's record would be if he fought Shane Mosley's resume? Comparing quality of opposition between Mosley and Mayweather is like comparing hand speed between Butterbean and Larry Holmes. Hypothetical, and opinion based. I think that Mayweather is better than Mosley and thus would have fared better against his competition. See how that did nothing for the argument? In reality, Floyd Mayweather Jr. isn't even undefeated, at least not in the ring. He lost the first meeting with Jose Luis Castillo 115-113. Even HBO house judge Harold Lederman scored the fight 7-5 in rounds for Castillo. Yep, Mayweather's network and their own judge had the fight 5-5 in rounds after 10. Lederman then correctly scored the 11th and 12th for Castillo, sealing the fight for his opponent. Mayweather clearly won the rematch, but the point is boxing fans have seen Mayweather bettered in the ring at least once. Judges thought otherwise. Nice ... supporting facts with opinions, clearly a sign of a great writer. In my opinion Lederman is also a very terrible judge I don't want to hear this baloney about Mayweather not being a true welterweight. That's just another excuse to keep Floyd from tangling with the guys in his division. Yeah, he's not a welterweight, but Marquez has to come up to 144 so Floyd has another opponent with a big name to pad his record. Didn't Mosley turn pro at 135, just five pounds heavier than Mayweather was when he turned pro? As far as Mayweather being seen as some kind of a warrior by agreeing to fight Marquez, if it comes off, and then Pacquiao, I just don't see it. Probably the only decent point so far. Still it would have made more sense for Marquez to move up rather than Mayweather move down. Mayweather is the bigger draw and is obviously not going to move down to face Marquez when he can make other fights. He fought Marquez to prove a point that he could dominate Pac's nemesis. Something Pac failed to do at WW, making his point seem a little more legit (I will concede Marquez was more adjusted at WW when he fought Pac compared to when he fought Floyd) I have no doubt that boxing fans will flock to Mayweather and want to attack those that expose him for who he really is. Be my guest, let him rip you off and then give you a lousy one-sided fight versus a 36 year old opponent. Does it mean anything that when he beats Marquez he's beating a guy much smaller than him, who Pacquiao had down three times in the first round back in 2004. Does it say anything that he didn't even make Oscar De La Hoya look bad and actually lost rounds to him, and then Pacquiao dominated Oscar and retired him? Oh, and Shane Mosley beat Oscar more convincingly in 2000 than Mayweather did in 2007. Yet somehow everybody goes crazy over Mayweather. Can boxing fans be that starved to see a great fighter? Author fails to mention that the 2004 fight was a draw? Also fails to mention that Mayweather moved up to junior middle weight to fight Oscar which they are bashing him for doing to Marquez. So they bash him for making Marquez move up but don't congratulate him for essentially doing what Marquez did and yet still winning. Also fails to mention that Mosley didn't have to move up to junior middle weight to fight Oscar. I'm not saying Floyd Mayweather Jr. doesn't posses a phenomenal skill set, because he does. In the ring he's a much smarter fighter than he gets credit for. He's terrific fundamentally and never beats himself. More than that, he's mentally tougher in the ring than he is credited for being and is great at making his opponent fight to their weakness. That said, he's not creative offensively nor does he exhibit a varied attack. His defense is outstanding, but that's more a case of him knowing when to punch and break off the exchanges. The problem is, I want to see him in there with another outstanding/great fighter his size who isn't old or on a steep decline. LMFAO @ Mayweather not being creative offensively. That's why so many boxers are able to time him right? Because he is so one dimensional. SMH this guys has to be trolling. Anybody who watches boxing knows that Mayweather gives his opponents so many looks which is why they have so much trouble with him. He fights in the pocket, at range, off the ropes, with a high gaurd, with his hands down, off the jab, off of lead right hands. He feints, sets traps, and counter punches. Very limited offense for sure, smh At the press conference announcing his return Mayweather said, "I am not wasting any time with a tune-up fight. I'm going straight to the top. Marquez called me out immediately after his victory over Juan Diaz in February and now he gets his wish. What he is going to find out is that you should be careful what you wish for." Yeah Floyd, you're going to the top alright. The top of the lightweight division versus a fighter who is 2-0 as a lightweight. The only problem with that is you're a welterweight. So I suppose Mayweather was supposed to go back to lightweight to fight Marquez? I guess he never heard Mosley, Cotto, Margarito or Williams call him out. I know I sure have. Floyd Mayweather Jr. in my opinion is very transparent in the con he's pulling off. Quite successfully I might add. Oh, and if anyone out there believes that the 37-year-old Mosley declined to fight Mayweather previously or fears him in any way, next you'll try and convince me New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is a choker too. Although, I do expect Mayweather to fight Mosley eventually, Shane’s just not old enough yet. Must not have heard or seen interviews when Mayweather was calling out Mosley earlier in his career. Cotto, Margarito, and Williams is a valid point but he ended up fighting Cotto and the fight was at 154 which would play to Cotto's advantage more so it wasn't like he made the fight as easy as possible on himself. One more time, I'd have no problem giving Floyd Mayweather Jr. his props if he earned them the way past great fighters have, but he hasn't. He's definitely a great manager and no one can dispute that. Mayweather Jr. may be great, he just won't let us find out! And if he thinks beating Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao will change that, I say only in his mind. As great as they are, they are nowhere near as tough and dangerous to Mayweather as Mosley, Cotto and Margarito. Really ironic that Pac ends up beating those guys that he claims are more dangerous to Mayweather, shows how correct this guy was ehh? Smh This article sucks. Very little support (only two somewhat decent talking points) and mostly opinion based. This guys clearly has no idea how to debate with facts.

Say what ya want, but a lot of this comes from fmj's quote history All of yous hear him say I don't duck and dodge nobody, but when asked about Manny Pac, its the standard "like I said before," then the usual diss of Manny's record, the numbers, Arum, etc., when a straight yes or no would clear up any doubts about his willingness to climb into the ring. Damn I miss Muhammad Ali..lol

How was Oscar a corpse against Floyd? Garbage article.

same ole cry baby story... fact is floyd won't fight a top rank fighter,why is pac fighting brandon rios instead of trying to fight danny garcia ,adrien broner and marcos maidana you know dudes that haven't lost 2 of there last 3 fights? because he doesn't fight gb fighters. floyd hasn't fought a gb fighter since carlos baldomir and pac hasn't fought a gb fighter since he fought head of gb, hell shane had to quit his job at gb to get the pac fight. but no let's overlook facts and just make the same cry baby argument about ducking and fear.

I find it amazing that real students of the game, serious journalists/boxing writers and almost all fighters, do not feel this way about Floyd. It is basically just boxing fans and scrub mediocre boxing writers (like that dip**** born idiot Scoop Malinowski or whatever the **** his name is from boxingscene). When will all of you give up seriously? It just burns so many people' asses that they guy they loathe the most is the best boxer on the planet...its hilarious that they cant accept it. When a boxer is so much better than his competition it is because he avoids fighters of course right? Funny how no one ever mentions the times way back that Floyd called out prime Shane's, Oscar's, etc. Pac fought Shane and Oscar after Floyd did when they were more shot, why no comment about his avoidance huh? You Floyd haters really are a pathetic bunch.

Thus, Frank Lotierzo writes, “Mayweather has picked his spots in one way or another throughout his career. Floyd got over big time on Juan Manuel Marquez with his weigh-in trickery at the last moment. He fought Oscar De La Hoya and barely won when Oscar was a corpse. Shane Mosley was an empty package when he finally fought him seven years after the fight truly meant anything. As terrific as Mayweather is, he's not the Bible of boxing the way he projects himself as being. He came along when there were some other outstanding fighters at or near his weight. Yet, aside from the late Diego Corrales, he has never met any of them when the fight would have confirmed his greatness. It would be great to write about Mayweather and laud all that he has accomplished as a fighter without bringing up these inconvenient facts. But it can't be done if you're being intellectually honest.” Do you agree? Has Floyd faced a champion in their prime without any catchweights? Canelo would've been a good win for Floyd if it was at 154. Floyd's last good wins are Oscar Hatton and Cotto, the Cotto fight; yes Floyd won rounds but he got beat up as well. When was the last time Floyd got beat up? He got beat up and was handed a gift when he fought Castillo

Oscar is the one who asked for 147 in hopes of beating a smaller man and it backfired. Oscar got the menudo beat out of him.

**** THIS ARTICLE! if Floyd isn't getting credit for beating Oscar mosley an cotto then pac shouldn't get any credit either . pac faught all those guys after Floyd and they were all coming off loses or at catchweights. pac vs Oscar - Oscar was drained and hadn't faught at 147 in years pac vs mosley - after Floyd beat mosley pac vs cotto - cotto was drained. Floyd vs Oscar - Floyd moved up to 154 for the first time . agreed to all Oscars demands . had on heavyweight 10oz gloves an still won . Floyd vs mosley - shane came off a win an had just destroyed margarito. Floyd vs cotto - Floyd faught cotto at 154lbs , stood in the pocket and banged with him the whole fight . last I checked a bleeding nose wasn't getting beaten up . cottos face was swollen to **** and brusied up. when Floyd was with top rank bob arum wouldn't let Floyd fight any of those guys cuz at that time Floyd was high risk with a low reward. Oscar was arums cash cow at the time he wouldn't let Floyd fight him when Floyd was calling him out because he didn't want his prize fighter to loose.

lol yeah right he's constantly called out for his cherry picking even on national tv. Even his peers say it Lol. National tv? U mmean ESPN? Miss me with that **** bro.

These guys seem to keep inventing ways to say the same thing, over and over: " we think Floyd is scared to fight Manny." The horse is long dead. You can stop beating it now. "I'm a rich coward" "Manny Pacquiao I'm calling you out" then he says "I never said that, don't put words in my mouth"

You ain't fooling nobody with this BS you wrote yourself...Let me give you some advise...Go find a cliff and jump off it... On top of that...the same fighters your dogging Mayweather for fighting...Pacquiao fought them after Floyd whipped them...SERIOUSLY!!! Wow what a ****ing joke you are :rofl: But Floyd's da best doe :bottle:

These guys seem to keep inventing ways to say the same thing, over and over: " we think Floyd is scared to fight Manny." The horse is long dead. You can stop beating it now.

Thus, Frank Lotierzo writes, “Mayweather has picked his spots in one way or another throughout his career. Floyd got over big time on Juan Manuel Marquez with his weigh-in trickery at the last moment. He fought Oscar De La Hoya and barely won when Oscar was a corpse. Shane Mosley was an empty package when he finally fought him seven years after the fight truly meant anything. As terrific as Mayweather is, he's not the Bible of boxing the way he projects himself as being. He came along when there were some other outstanding fighters at or near his weight. Yet, aside from the late Diego Corrales, he has never met any of them when the fight would have confirmed his greatness. It would be great to write about Mayweather and laud all that he has accomplished as a fighter without bringing up these inconvenient facts. But it can't be done if you're being intellectually honest.” Do you agree? Has Floyd faced a champion in their prime without any catchweights? Canelo would've been a good win for Floyd if it was at 154. Floyd's last good wins are Oscar Hatton and Cotto, the Cotto fight; yes Floyd won rounds but he got beat up as well. When was the last time Floyd got beat up? You ain't fooling nobody with this BS you wrote yourself...Let me give you some advise...Go find a cliff and jump off it... On top of that...the same fighters your dogging Mayweather for fighting...Pacquiao fought them after Floyd whipped them...SERIOUSLY!!!

Oh good lets bring in triangle theories. :rofl: Who's the better fighter Judah or Pacquiao? If Judah troubled Floyd what will Pacquiao do? So you don't realize his Pacquiao moves? You're the one who brought in the triangle theory :lol1: You said; "Judah gave Mayweather problems in Rounds 1-4, Pacquiao>Judah" Then when the poster counters it using your exact logic you say; "Oh let's bring in triangle theories" :pat:

the truth is revision now. lol Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android It's not the truth though. Perhaps to the likes of yourself, you consider it "truth" but in reality it's not the truth.

and what happened after round 4? Floyd dominated... your argument is invalid... We all know if Manny had his **** in order and represented himself instead of having that snake Arum make all his decisions then the fight would have already been made.. and yea... a fighter who always goes life and death with the counter punching marquez is going to do way better against floyd who is arguably the best counter puncher in boxing today... :spank: Oh good lets bring in triangle theories. :rofl: Who's the better fighter Judah or Pacquiao? If Judah troubled Floyd what will Pacquiao do? So you don't realize his Pacquiao moves?

Floyd beats Pacquiao easily? Easy money. Easy work. I'll fight Amir Khan doe Watch the Judah fight, 1-4 Floyd was having problems and got dropped Pacquiao> Judah and what happened after round 4? Floyd dominated... your argument is invalid... We all know if Manny had his **** in order and represented himself instead of having that snake Arum make all his decisions then the fight would have already been made.. and yea... a fighter who always goes life and death with the counter punching marquez is going to do way better against floyd who is arguably the best counter puncher in boxing today... :spank:

Quote: Originally Posted by I don't lose Where is he wrong? Because he didn't say he wanted to be a Floyd and ellerbe sandwich? Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android No... Because it's clearly a revisionist article and very poorly written. the truth is revision now. lol Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android