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If Hearn is able to offer Luis $7 million, why can't team Wilder? Which is composed of Haymon, Espinoza, Finkel and another co-manager. I'm confused. Who said they can't?

Menayothin proved that being undefeated is easy if u carefully pick your opponents but to become a 6 division champion is extremely hard even if you carefully pick the weakest champion of every division that's why until now there's only one fighter surpasses dela hoya's 6 division champion. Who surpassed DLH's six divisions? And should DLH get credit for six divisions when he held WBO titles before the WBO was recognized?

Seems there are only three heavyweights the world cares about and unfortunately they fight for three different organizations. Hope it's true that PBC and Top Rank are joining for a PPV. I'll be watching Joshua on DAZN tomorrow, but the fighters I want to see him face the most seem to be fighting each other instead. You listed a lot of great fighters for Matchroom, but not sure they run the heavyweight scene if they can't produce any of the fights people want to see the most? As long as the three top heavyweights are on three different platforms, I don't think anybody in particular runs the division. DAZN has three of the belts though, I think that means a lot more than having Parker or Chisora.

They can? Ortiz made $500K in the first fight. They can pay him 10x that eh? Okay. I have no idea what he made or will make. Just curious how you know?

Why do you even bother? You're fooling nobody with your act. He should be banned honestly. You can go back through his old threads and see he's constantly lying and making things up.

Has Miller's punishment even been announced yet? I know the WBA said they'll remove him from the rankings or whatever, but like, the actual commission punishment? I don't think it has.

That's why I'm asking. The Wilder/Ortiz 1 purses info are all over the internets. They withheld the Breazeale/Wilder purses. People have to wonder why. I have no idea either. That's why I'm asking too. If nobody knows, then nobody knows. I enjoyed Wilder vs. Breazeale and I'm really looking forward to Joshua vs. Ruiz. Hopefully the winners fight. If they don't, there's nothing I can do about it. Complaining won't change anything.

I assume Fury would beat Whyte, but I still really want to see the fight. Whyte has earned his spot as the #4 heavyweight in the world and deserves a shot at one of the top three.

They parade around Calzaghe like he is an ATG lmao. Andre Ward would've beat him easy. They thought Hatton would beat Mayweather. They thought Kell Brook would beat Spence. Lennox Lewis was slept by Rahman first and he beat a shell of Mike Tyson. They think Joshua will do Wilder in, lmao. Isn't that part of the fun of sports thought? People rooting for their own? Seems you're being very unfair. Lennox Lewis was clearly the best of his generation. He beat a shell of Tyson because Tyson ducked him relentlessly until it was time to cash out. He beat Holyfield once and likely deserved the win in the draw. He beat Klitschko. As for Brook, he came to the US and beat Porter fair and square. You have a point about Hatton and Mayweather, but, so what? Boxing would be a lot better off if American fans were as loyal and dedicated as British fans.

Joshua is the best heavyweight in the world for a reason. Whether he knocks out Wilder or Wilder knocks him out, I doubt it would be in the first round. I think it would be a close fight like Joshua vs. Klitschko.

The person in the video doesn't understand how betting works. Joshua is the favorite and should be the favorite.

Everybody's tastes are different. I don't care about Canelo, but Anthony Joshua and Big Baby Miller are must watch for me. Sucks that Miller failed the drug tests, but I'm still really excited about Joshua vs. Ruiz. I don't know how long DAZN will be around, but I think $99 a year is a great deal. Kind of reminds me of when Moviepass came out and the deal was too good to be true.

Was at the Herring fight live last night and then watched a replay of Trout on FS2 when I got home. So I'm just now finally watching the Haney fight. DAZN is messing up left and right. Never had a problem with DAZN before and I've been a subscriber since the launch, but for whatever reason, this Haney fight is a disaster for me stream wise. Keeps rewinding and fast forwarding on its own. I'm about to give up.

If PBC belts are coming I feel like thats a sign Al & Dana are gonna be fast friends when Zuffa boxing comes on board finally. Dana has talked about not effing with the current ABC regime. Could get interesting. The best thing that could happen in boxing is the big 4 belts continue to lose power in the game. Main issue is how do you make a PBC belt appealing to a non-PBC boxer or promoter. Idk that you can. Although the first move is to not call it the PBC title. Needs a more legit & mainstream + less biased name. I agree it's a sign that Dana might be getting involved soon. The rumors continue to swirl that the company that owns UFC wants to buy PBC. They don't need to make a PBC belt appealing to a non-PBC fighter as I doubt they'd allow non-PBC fighters to fight for them. Clearly the plan is to create a UFC model where PBC is a self contained league with its own champions. So it would definitely be called the PBC championship, not another name. The brilliance is that if/when PBC creates a PBC belt and begins to ignore the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO, it puts other companies in the strange position of continuing to insist there are five different champions (since WBA has super & world), while PBC will be insisting there is only one champion. What's more appealing to fans? PBC claiming there is only one champion or ESPN & DAZN insisting there are five champions?

You mean Wilder WOULD be doing the right thing IF HE HAD been offered that belt. Its not like they have actually tried to give him one yet. They haven't tried to give anyone one yet. Canelo & Loma both asked for it because they didn't want to have to defend their titles. Wilder is clearly willing to defend his title.

Yeah, and it's been about twenty years since the HW division was actually popular. Fury, Bud, and Loma make a pretty good anti-PBC argument and boxing has always done well with juxtaposition marketing. Ol' Arum could just chill, let the PBC finance and idea, and then sweep it out from under them and it wouldn't be the first time. Fury, Bud and Loma are all struggling to sell tickets in the US. TR has no interesting opponents for them. PBC doesn't need every top fighter RIGHT NOW. They just need to keep increasing their percentage every year and slowly starve off TR. If the PBC takeover is ultimately successful, it won't be something that happens overnight. It's a process. Every year, Haymon's power grows. As long as that keeps happening, he comes closer and closer to achieving the UFC business model. PBC may not literally put TR out of business, but eventually the public will perceive PBC as being the clear major league and TR as the second rate outfit.

MMA does not have a standing 300 year history of undisputed champions. There hasn't been an undisputed heavyweight champion for twenty years. If the choice is five belts spread around or one premier belt, the public is going to prefer one premier belt. You guys lose sight of the fact that millions of people are watching PBC that weren't watching boxing before. PBC training camp footage is doing more viewers than TR main events. It's not going to happen over night, but as far as the US is concerned, PBC as the UFC of boxing and TR as the distant Bellator is inevitable.

I can't speak for Canelo but Loma was clearly not very happy about it. Sure, but it was still done due to his promoter making a special request. Wilder is self promoted and if he doesn't want to vacate the WBC title, he's not going to.

Not a fan of most of this in the immediate future cuz idk that Errol has a big PBC fight vs Manny coming so Bud is The Fight now to make. And I suspect most fans are even digging this less than I am. Hard to win the money & ratings of fans when their hearts & minds are rooting against you. But if this is standard Al long game sh^t itll get there, but f#ck man we all gonna die one day & Al aint gonna live forever either. Idk if this "takeover" is gonna happen by PBC. I kinda just think Al is making +EV money moves while hoping for the possibilities of a takeover that is a longshot at best. PBC's ratings on Fox have been strong. TR's ratings on ESPN have been week. PBC's Fox PPVs have exceeded all expectations. TR's ESPN PPV was a complete disaster. PBC is creating a lot of new American stars. TR is resorting to signing foreigners to try to mask how thin their roster is. Every year that goes by, the gap between PBC and TR will grow. Slowly, but surely. Until eventually all the fans think of PBC as being the clear #1 and TR the distant #2.

So Bud vs Errol never happens? Or if Bud beats Errol hes not the PBC title holder? Idk if Im a fan of either of those outcomes. Either it stops big fights from happening or it insures this "PBC" belt is just one more bs belt & whats the point of one more bs corrupt "world" entity on boxing? We're not getting Bud vs Errol regardless. When was the last time a PBC a-side faced a TR a-side in a fight that wasn't a mandatory? When the PBC take over is complete, the public won't have to deal with these promotional stalemates like they do now. In UFC, when the fans want to see a fight, chances are it's going to happen. Once PBC takes over, it'll be the same thing. Crawford isn't going to stay with Arum forever if Arum can't get him big fights. He'll jump to PBC eventually like Pacquiao did.

Mannix works for DAZN and is incredibly biased. DAZN promoted CANELO vs ROCKY as a WBA world title fight. Why wouldn't Fox promote Pacquiao as a WBA world title fight? Every network recognizes both the WBA super title and WBA world title as being world titles. Fox doesn't recognize the WBO. Period. Has nothing to do with Crawford. When Andy Ruiz is on Fox, they do not acknowledge his WBO heavyweight title. He is only listed as IBF/WBA champion.

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Oh yeah, it’ll be so much better if all the promoters have their own championships. Has worked just fine for UFC.

I'm on the fence about this one. The first fight was incredible, but most feel Ortiz have declined since the first fight while wilder has improved. It's guaranteed to provide action, but i expect an early wilder knockout. I think the undercard is pretty disappointing as well. Santa Cruz looks to be in pretty easy against Flores n will win a lopsided decision to win a fake belt. Nery-rodriguez is another mismatch as Rodriguez was just destroyed by naoya Inoue. There are two dazn cards that day, which makes the decision to pass on the PPV more likely. So will you be buying? I generally order all PPVs, but I'm thinking I'll likely skip this one. Disappointing PPV from pbc, following the incredible spence-porter PPV. I rarely order PPVs, but I'll be ordering this one for sure. Wilder is must see TV. Almost always ends in a knockout and when it doesn't, it's still exciting. I have three buddies coming over to split the PPV, so it's only $20 each. Undercard has two additional world title fights plus Luis Nery as well. Main event is TBRB #3 heavyweight vs. TBRB #6 heavyweight. Both are massive punchers. The first fight was a classic. I don't see any way the night isn't $20 worth of excitement.

When was the last time a UFC champion unified with any other promotions title? When was the last time the general public cared about a non-UFC MMA champion? If PBC makes their own championship eventually, they'll ignore the others and if they have the best TV exposure, people will stop caring about the others. there is no such thing as an undisputed in MMA, nor will there ever be, because every promotion has a champion. And nobody cares. UFC is recognized as the big leagues. Does anybody skip watching the Super Bowl because there's no undisputed champion due to the winner not playing the winner of the Arena Bowl? If Fox Sports can convince casual sports fans that PBC is the only major league of boxing, then other titles won't matter.

Because they pay and no one else does so they have all the talent in MMA. PBC already has 90+% of the top American talent. DAZN is destined to fail. That just leaves Top Rank, who doesn't have any Americans anybody cares about other than Crawford and they can't manage to get Crawford any big fights. I'm not saying Top Rank will go out of business, but they may end up the boxing equivalent of Bellator. No promoter in boxing has all the talent. Also, MMA doesn’t have sanctioning bodies. Sanctioning bodies have been attempted in MMA, but the UFC was able to thwart them. We'll see if PBC can successfully thwart the sanctioning bodies, if that is indeed the plan. So we’re going to end up with the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO, IBO, PBC, Top Rank, Golden Boy, Matchroom championships. Can’t wait! Awesome. If PBC ends up having 95% of the top fighters and is the only boxing entity garnering millions of viewers in the US, then the US public won't care about any of the other championships you mentioned. Only the PBC.

PBC has two fighters on the TBRB top 10 p4p. There's only two Americans in the TBRB top ten P4P. PBC has both heavyweight champions, two super middleweight champions, two super welterweight champions, two welterweight champions and one featherweight champion. That’s nine champions. There’s 68 championship belts out there. Belts PBC controls or will soon control: WBC WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE SUPER WBA WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE IBF WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE WBO WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE WBA WORLD LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE WBC WORLD SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE IBF WORLD SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE WBC WORLD MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE WBC WORLD SUPER WELTERWEIGHT TITLE SUPER WBA WORLD SUPER WELTERWEIGHT TITLE WBA WORLD SUPER WELTERWEIGHT TITLE IBF WORLD JUNIOR MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE WBC WORLD WELTERWEIGHT TITLE SUPER WBA WORLD WELTERWEIGHT TITLE IBF WORLD WELTERWEIGHT TITLE WBA WORLD LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE SUPER WBA WORLD SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE WBC WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE SUPER WBA WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE WBA WORLD SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE INTERIM IBF WORLD JUNIOR FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE WBA WORLD BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE You say DAZN is destined to fail because you hate DAZN. There’s no evidence that it will fail. So no, that doesn’t just leave top rank LOL. I don't hate DAZN. I say it will fail because it's been a giant failure so far with no end in sight. The business model doesn't work. Top Rank also has Vasyl Lomachenko LMFAO. He doesn't draw in the US. Nobody cares. People can't spell his name. He doesn't have any interesting opponents. HBO went out of business trying to rely on Eastern Europeans.

Got ya...I personally don't differentiate much between Hogan and Rolls and Vanes but just my 2 cents there Steve Rolls is #81 in Boxrec. Hogan is #15. Some see a big difference, you don't. That's cool. Just explaining why some see a difference. For me personally, I thought Hogan clearly beat Munguia. Munguia is currently Boxrec #1 at superwelterweight. So as far as I'm concerned, Hogan is one of the absolute top guys at 154. Charlo fighting a top guy from 154 is more impressive to me than fighting a guy who is barely in the top 100 at middleweight.

anyone who says that Mungia has proven more at 154 than Jermell Charlo...I do not agree I didn't say who proved more, I said what's been proven. What's been proven is that Charlo isn't the best at 154 because he just lost fair and square at 154. Munguia's opposition has had better records than Charlo's opposition and Munguia actually won his fights.

I'm not a Canelo fan, but unifying the WBC, Super WBA and IBF world middleweight championships and then winning the WBO world light heavyweight championship in his very next fight is extremely impressive. Especially since he won the title at the higher weight by knockout. Kudos to Canelo.