FOX Sports: "Ruiz vs Wilder will be for PBC Heavyweight title"

but there would still be the WBC, IBF, WBO, WBA, ASS, FUC, ETC. They’d become far less relevant though if PBC, DAZN, ESPN just made their own titles and had the best fighters fighting for them then far less people would care about these ABC scumbags. I would’ve been totally against this 15-20 years ago, but I’m absolutely sick of these greedy b***ards making more and more belts just for sanctioning fees.

LOL, No? Then whats the point? The belt will mean nothing more than who the best PBC fighter is. Just another trinket. That could happen as I said. Which would be bad for the sport. But if the PBC Belt becomes the most prestigious one in America then they could start cornering the market. Becoming like the UFC of boxing. In the US anyway...but most of the big money in boxing is here so that would be huge.

No. Just like only Bob Arum and Frank Warren fighters are allowed to fight for the WBO belt now, usually. LOL, No? Then whats the point? The belt will mean nothing more than who the best PBC fighter is. Just another trinket.

And will none PBC fighters be allowed to fight for this PBC belt? No. Just like only Bob Arum and Frank Warren fighters are allowed to fight for the WBO belt now, usually.

The fact of the matter is that boxing badly needs for there to be only one world champion per weight class. If the PBC Belt accomplishes this then it will be a good thing for the sport. But if it just becomes another belt along with the WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO? That will be a bad thing for the sport. We will be even farther away from a single champion than we were before. And will none PBC fighters be allowed to fight for this PBC belt?

The fact of the matter is that boxing badly needs for there to be only one world champion per weight class. If the PBC Belt accomplishes this then it will be a good thing for the sport. But if it just becomes another belt along with the WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO? That will be a bad thing for the sport. We will be even farther away from a single champion than we were before.

Ruiz v Wilder for the PBC Belt. Then Ortiz mandatory. Then Ruiz v Wilder loser made mandatory... and round and round and round. To be fair they've probably just looked at Fury and figured that people will believe imaginary titles if a promoter refers to it enough times.

Not really... at least would just be one PBC champion per weight instead of potentially 4 WBC champ at the same weight. but there would still be the WBC, IBF, WBO, WBA, ASS, FUC, ETC.

This Al haymon’s jab at DLH’s ring magazine champ crap The championship thats been around since the 1920's, and has been involved in almost every notable championship fight ever since? yeah, totally Oscars fault.

sigh...is it a nice belt at least?

This Al haymon’s jab at DLH’s ring magazine champ crap

It's the same garbage. Not really... at least would just be one PBC champion per weight instead of potentially 4 WBC champ at the same weight.

bro...take your wilder/pbc hating glasses off for a minute and be objective hearn can yell "farmer wants tank"..."Andrade wants whoever"...."haney wants loma" that alone wont increase those guys profile or make them more mainstream or popular...in fact the only people that hear about farmer, Andrade and haney are the hardcore guys like us on forums and boxing sites everyday Andrade is still a relative nobody(we are both from RI and ive known him since he was a kid)....nobody really knows farmer....nobody really knows haney hes 20 what you are conveniently forgetting is that Crawford, who is one of arums top 3 fighters(and the only American born of his top 3) has petered out as far as being known/recognized....they basically had to pay khan as much as Crawford just to get Crawford a halfway decent name for a ppv.....Crawford is paid pretty well but overall arum has less mouths to feed...spence/Crawford basically making the same money as of their last fights...difference being is al still has to get money for danny, porter, Thurman, pac etc along with guys like tank, wilder and many others tank davis just turned 25 last week and hes already making basically the same money as loma....who is p4p #1......tank has been on 7 straight showtime/ppv cards......that's pretty good exposure for a kid isn't it? how many people are watching farmer and haney? hearn doesn't have an American fighter as known as wilder,spence or tank......and golden boy, off the top of my head, doesn't either yes...having AJ around helps wilder....but even without AJ wilder would still be one of the top paid US born fighters....which he definitely is right now for sure.....yes having AJ helps....so does having fury around....it helps all of them to have each other honestly but wilders overall populalarity is NOT A REFLECTION of anything haymon has or hasn't done...its a reflection of the US boxing market and the countries overall waning interest in the sport...its not as big in the US anymore as it is other place and especially the UK AJs charm and personality doesn't sell him...its his home fans...if you flip flopped wilder and AJ...made wilder a UK fighter who medaled for them in the Olympics hed be making the AJ money....if you made AJ a us fighter that medaled for them hed be in wilders position.....and that's a guarantee wilder is a decent talker...and he delivers guys on their backs and rear ends...hes always looking to end you...so hes a promoters dream....and he always puts his opponent down at least once at some point......so wilders popularity is a reflection of the interest in boxing in this country at this point.....because its not for lack of exposure or promotion(to think otherwise is a sign of lunacy) For the record, I didn't start out hating on pbc. The first time i watched Wilder was vs this guy called Kelvin prince or whatever his name is. I thought 'wow....this guy is going to take over within 3 yrs' and he also had a good message post fight, something like 'it's important not to just thank God when you win, but also when you lose' or something along those lines. a couple of yrs on and he was actually boxing on an even lower level on an amir khan undercard in the uk. I thought 'this guy should already be at world level and he's boxing fking fraudley harrison in sheffield?' and it hit me...he's being pissed about by a hispanic promotion that are trying desperately to take over the UK market. Remember oscar even signed anthony ogogo, he was desperately trying to get a major contract with sky sports and take out Eddie hearn. Schaefer was part of that move..and they failed because pbc came along and took everything GBP had except canelo. If you go and watch that fight, wilder vs audley harrison, look at the reception Wilder got in the UK. British fans immediately liked him. He was not a delusional boxer, confident but not delusional and annoying....but he has changed. in fact AJ was ring side that fight. What happened was when all these guys signed to pbc, pbc began putting cherry pick fights for their up and coming guys. that frustrated a lot of fans. Wilder just didnt step up early like he should have. You think hes better now than he was 6-7 yrs ago? we get weaker in our 30s, we lose bone density, stamina. we absorb less nutrients in our food because our gut health begins to diminish. all types of things affect the body as we get older. Wilder's time really was 6-7 yrs back. He should have been the one beating the klitschkos. Now ill respond to what you've said With guys like Tevin Farmer, Andrade, Jacobs etc. Eddie's position is relative to where they can go at their level. He wants to secure them the highest possible paydays at the very least. anything beyond that is a bonus. The important thing is Eddie wants them to get the big fights. Luke Campbell vs Lomachenko is a prime example. What Eddie does is takes them as far as their talents allow them to go whilst securing them paydays, whilst also trying to protect the mythos around them, most of the time. so when hooker lost to Ramirez, Eddie talked about how Hooker had struggled to make weight and needed to go up. same thing with Daniel Jacobs. The important thing is even when eddie has a limited fighter, he will try to deliver the best possible fight for them asap. Wilder was protected by al haymon. eddie would have rolled the dice years ago and maybe it would mean wilder having an L or more on his record, but he would be far wealthier..and eddie would do it in a way that would protect the mythos around wilder too. AJ, perfect example, lost to ruiz, still getting £70m from saudis, before we even think about the ppv revenue. Eddie's sold the rematch. Haney is 20. Andrade and Farmer are not known so much because of al haymon. When Eddie signed them, his whole argument was 'wow these guys havent been promoted right' you cant deny Andrade and farmer are bigger names because of their eddie hearn affiliation. btw are you forgetting tank was begging for more fights not that long ago?

bruv, seriously, im going to rant and talk some **** here but read on... what you're conveniently not taking into account is that the money Wilder is making has only increased in relation to the presence of Anthony Joshua and Dazn/eddie hearn in the US market. Take aj out of the game, wilder would be as irrelevant as he was 2 yrs back. The irony is that a top American, World HW champion should be making scary amounts of money.. Wilder should actually be making twice what AJ makes. HE should be the one elevating the division, not AJ. If pbc actually did their job from the get go, Wilder would be the face of American boxing. basically wilder should have been pushed to fight the klitschko's 5-6 yrs back. he should have been the one knocking on every door and making noise and moving upwards with the momentum. a top promoter builds hype around a fighter by pushing for those big fights. say what you want about eddie hearn all he does is 'tevin farmer wants to fight tank davis' 'devin haney wants loma' 'andrade wants canelo or ggg' and he means it..he isnt just using names like wilder does..he wants those fights for his fighters worst case scenario, they lose..but get a decent payday, enough to retire on. pbc don't do that. they're very insular and controlling. bro...take your wilder/pbc hating glasses off for a minute and be objective hearn can yell "farmer wants tank"..."Andrade wants whoever"...."haney wants loma" that alone wont increase those guys profile or make them more mainstream or popular...in fact the only people that hear about farmer, Andrade and haney are the hardcore guys like us on forums and boxing sites everyday Andrade is still a relative nobody(we are both from RI and ive known him since he was a kid)....nobody really knows farmer....nobody really knows haney hes 20 what you are conveniently forgetting is that Crawford, who is one of arums top 3 fighters(and the only American born of his top 3) has petered out as far as being known/recognized....they basically had to pay khan as much as Crawford just to get Crawford a halfway decent name for a ppv.....Crawford is paid pretty well but overall arum has less mouths to feed...spence/Crawford basically making the same money as of their last fights...difference being is al still has to get money for danny, porter, Thurman, pac etc along with guys like tank, wilder and many others tank davis just turned 25 last week and hes already making basically the same money as loma....who is p4p #1......tank has been on 7 straight showtime/ppv cards......that's pretty good exposure for a kid isn't it? how many people are watching farmer and haney? hearn doesn't have an American fighter as known as wilder,spence or tank......and golden boy, off the top of my head, doesn't either yes...having AJ around helps wilder....but even without AJ wilder would still be one of the top paid US born fighters....which he definitely is right now for sure.....yes having AJ helps....so does having fury around....it helps all of them to have each other honestly but wilders overall populalarity is NOT A REFLECTION of anything haymon has or hasn't done...its a reflection of the US boxing market and the countries overall waning interest in the sport...its not as big in the US anymore as it is other place and especially the UK AJs charm and personality doesn't sell him...its his home fans...if you flip flopped wilder and AJ...made wilder a UK fighter who medaled for them in the Olympics hed be making the AJ money....if you made AJ a us fighter that medaled for them hed be in wilders position.....and that's a guarantee wilder is a decent talker...and he delivers guys on their backs and rear ends...hes always looking to end you...so hes a promoters dream....and he always puts his opponent down at least once at some point......so wilders popularity is a reflection of the interest in boxing in this country at this point.....because its not for lack of exposure or promotion(to think otherwise is a sign of lunacy)

Now we can see clearly the difference between actual boxing fans and the platform fans And obviously , as more posts come in , you see that this will not workout for anybody

Yeah, and it's been about twenty years since the HW division was actually popular. Fury, Bud, and Loma make a pretty good anti-PBC argument and boxing has always done well with juxtaposition marketing. Ol' Arum could just chill, let the PBC finance and idea, and then sweep it out from under them and it wouldn't be the first time. Fury, Bud and Loma are all struggling to sell tickets in the US. TR has no interesting opponents for them. PBC doesn't need every top fighter RIGHT NOW. They just need to keep increasing their percentage every year and slowly starve off TR. If the PBC takeover is ultimately successful, it won't be something that happens overnight. It's a process. Every year, Haymon's power grows. As long as that keeps happening, he comes closer and closer to achieving the UFC business model. PBC may not literally put TR out of business, but eventually the public will perceive PBC as being the clear major league and TR as the second rate outfit.

Positive thing that may come out is these Pathetic Boxing Champs may no longer have any excuse not to fight each other. Took years and long line of bums before they fought each other, Thurman, Garcia, Porter, and Spence finally had Porter, and Garcia stepping up to fight Errol. Lara vs the Charlo twins never happened. Lara vs Andrade Andrade vs Charlo Charlo vs Jacobs, etc...

spence was doing very well and building momentum untill he likely messed that up big time by being stupid wilder will have made more in his last 3 than any current US fighter has in their career tank davis just turned 25 last week...he already sold out in his hometown...hes been on 7 straight showtime/ppv cards....he makes, in the ballpark, the same amount per fight as #1 p4p loma does.....and he just turned 25 the pbc guys are doing just fine......does oscar or bob arum have any other US born fighters out there killing it? does eddie hearn have any US fighters out there selling tons of ppvs and making huge bucks?!?! LOL...NO! bruv, seriously, im going to rant and talk some **** here but read on... what you're conveniently not taking into account is that the money Wilder is making has only increased in relation to the presence of Anthony Joshua and Dazn/eddie hearn in the US market. Take aj out of the game, wilder would be as irrelevant as he was 2 yrs back. The irony is that a top American, World HW champion should be making scary amounts of money.. Wilder should actually be making twice what AJ makes. HE should be the one elevating the division, not AJ. If pbc actually did their job from the get go, Wilder would be the face of American boxing. basically wilder should have been pushed to fight the klitschko's 5-6 yrs back. he should have been the one knocking on every door and making noise and moving upwards with the momentum. a top promoter builds hype around a fighter by pushing for those big fights. say what you want about eddie hearn all he does is 'tevin farmer wants to fight tank davis' 'devin haney wants loma' 'andrade wants canelo or ggg' and he means it..he isnt just using names like wilder does..he wants those fights for his fighters worst case scenario, they lose..but get a decent payday, enough to retire on. pbc don't do that. they're very insular and controlling.

I’d rather this than the Franchise or Regular BS. It's the same garbage.

No one is selling PPVs, only Canelo or Pacquiao would be able to consistently sell above 500k PPVs with the right opponent. The money doesn't mean crap in this climate. You have GGG with a very small fanbase making 100m over 7 fights. Danny Jacobs making 12M to fight Canelo and over 5M to fight Chavez Jr. Jose Ramirez making over 4M to fight Hooker. Every semi marketable fighter is making good money right now, I've been saying for a while it's a bubble. AJ and Canelo are the only superstars in the sport, period. canelo, pac and golovkin arent american born fighters...and that was my point.....the american born pbc guys are doing pretty well for themselves danny is the rare exception of an american, outside the pbc, that has been making real good money lately....but thats partly because of DAZN being new and throwing a bunch of money around because they have to remember when roc nation started doing boxing...and they were paying guys like cotto and ward alot of money? some said "overpaying"? because any new outfit is going to have to throw money around to attract name fighters and make big fights.....DAZN guys recently said thats all about to slow down ....they will no longer be throwing out big money to opponents and DAZN is the reason wilder got 10 mil for breazeale! they wanted to pay him 20 for it! lol...they wanted to pay him 20 for it for an AJ deal when AJ wasnt even signed with them! and then AJ lost the fight that was going to happen even if they did reach a deal so wilder STILL wouldnt be fighting AJ yet!!! wilder is doing fine and i dont think hes complaining one bit the way his haters are about his money and where he is