So tyson shouldn’t have punched him that hard?????
Reminds me of people saying matthysse was getting beat down by garcia because his right eye was swollen!!!
Well how did his eye got swollen in the first place genius!!
So how did he get his eardrum busted in the first place?? Because he was getting beat up!!! It’s not someone’s fault when you have a cut or whatever if it’s caused by a legal punch.
It doesn't take a hard punch to bust an ear drum, you can do it with a jab, it's pretty much a freak accident, the glove has to hit your ear just right to create pressure inside the ear and pop.
Fury had to deal with the badly cut eye in the Wallin fight. I wonder if the OP felt the same way about Fury's situation then...or was he one of the guys who insisted that that fight should have been stopped? Did he defend Fury then? Did he make that an excuse for Fury having a harder fight than expected?
A cut is way easier to deal with, your ear is literally influences your balance. How many times you seen a guy fall over from a body shot like Wilder did?
They have not confirmed a busted eardrum. A cut in the ear canal and a busted eardrum aren't the same thing. :lol1:
His trainer said there was a tear in his ear, that link says that a tear in the ear is a busted eardrum.
You can't get a cut in your ear canal from a punch
They just told you examples of many boxers that won and fought a war with busted ear drums and what not.
So wilder is weaker than them??
And at the post conference they said it’s a cut just at the entrance of the ear, there was not damn eardrum that got busted. You’d hear it from wilder too in the post interview if that was the case
Pac wasn't really affected by it, but from what i just saw Ward was and he got his ass beat
Wilder is a big ass HW and already has bad balance, of course they're more skilled, they're like midgets compared to him.
A busted eardrum hasn't even been confirmed, says on twitter he has a cut in his ear.
Deas: Wilder had a cut inside his ear that may have impacted his balance and probably will need a few stitches. https://t.co/IKh3iXRXv0— Dan Rafael (@danrafaelespn) February 23, 2020
Arturo Gatti broke Micky Wards eardrum in the third round. Ward went the distance and hurt Gatti numerous times. The difference is that Ward knows how to war. He knows how to fight.
Feels like you can't give props to the winner. Your googled interpretation of what is a ruptured eardrum is cringeworthy to the extreme. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about. Tis pretty obvious YDKSAB! :lol1:
All kidding aside, it was not a thing of beauty.
Fury wasn't landing crisp combos and Wilder was several levels below amateur.
The better man won but the better man didn't look that good doing it.
That's exactly what a busted ear drum is, thanks for confirming it.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ruptured-eardrum/symptoms-causes/syc-20351879
It causes vertigo. Wilder would've been mauled by anyone with that injury. He literally got off balance from a simple body shot and dropped to the canvas, there were several instances where he kept losing balance.
Wait a second !......Is the OP suggesting that because Fury busted Deontay up and had him bleeding out of his ear that the ref should have stopped the fight, made it a no-decision and then let the two fighters run it back in 8 months after Wilder's injuries heal? WTF? This is boxing, not tiddlywinks.
Deontay showed lots of class in his post fight interview. It would be nice if his fans could be half as classy as he is.
No, where tf did you come up with that?
We sa Manny Pacquiao gets usted eardrum by Miguel cotto but he still stopped cotto. Then again Pac is a got damn soldier
Pac was not being thrown off balance by mere body shots or tripping over himself nor was Ward like someone else mentioned.
You never watched Gatti Ward 2. Micky was all over the place and had to use the ropes to stabilize himself several times. At one point he started tipping to the left so hard he slid from post to post.
You're right, I just saw it and his movements looked much like Wilder's, but it didn't affect Pac much.
Wilder already has bad balance, this made it even worse.
Tua would be on par with the Takams of the divison, in fact I'm not convinced he could be a prime Takam. He would struggle against guys like Kownacki too. Too small.
-Jeff Wooden was able to outbox Tua, he was able to keep him at bay with the jab and box from outside.
-Chris the "light heavyweight" Byrd out boxed him.
-Rahman dropped him (wasn't counted but it happened) and went the distance with him.
Tua was really short & easy to box from range, he was like a lesser version of Pedvetkin, but nowhere near as effective against rangy guys.
You make some good points! I personally don't see Usyk losing to any version of Stiverne. Stiverne already lost to a bum with more losses than wins on his record in Demetrice King. Usyk is far above that level!
However, I do think that Washington and Duhapas are going to be a big threat to Usyk, They are both top heavyweights who are big in size, combined with having top level skills as well. The outcomes of those bouts are disputed in my opinion. It depends on how well he acclimates to the heavyweight division and whether he can adjust to the new weight.
Although take into consideration that Usyk has actually fought against super heavyweights in the amateurs and WSB tournament, who are heavyweights by professional boxing standard. So Usyk does have experience against heavyweights and unlike Wilder or Joshua who have been knocked out in the amateurs, Usyk has never been stopped, even against super heavyweights. In fact, Usyk has already beaten the very super heavyweight boxer (Nistor) who knocked Anthony Joshua out in the amateurs, at the super heavyweight division. So Usyk is somewhat experienced and proven at heavyweight in terms of punch resistance and how well his skills translate.
Also, one could argue that most of the heavyweights today in the heavyweight division aren't any better than the super heavyweights that Usyk already fought in the amateurs and in the WSB. Especially Deontay Wilder's opponents. The likes of Johan Dhuapas aren't that much, if at all better than the likes of Joe Joyce who Usyk totally schooled. So that has to be taken into consideration.
Stiverne-King wasn't a legit stoppage, the ref stopped it waaay too early. There's a clip on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_4kLFofOgw
Prime Stiverne is 6'3 240 with an 80" reach +2" on Usyk, and a KO ratio of above 80% as a heavyweight champion.
Usyk has never fought anybody that comes close to that. Height gives Stiverne trouble, his style is really effective against guys his own height that he can counter punch.
Usyk had a great amateur career but he's already 31, he was an older amateur and used that experience against a lot of younger and inexperienced guys.
There are a lot of heavies take up the sport late or are a long way from physically filling out that get dramatically better in the pros. Guys like Wilder, Joshua, Stiverne, Jennings and a bunch of others start the sport late as well so you don't get to see them anywhere near their peak for years.
You bring up Joyce but he'd get starched by any top 15 HW, he was getting hit with some punches by Lewinson that'd get him put out by a tough hard hitter. He's gotten much better since fighting Usyk but still is a long way from the elite.
6:45-7:00 (example)
His defense is leaky, I thought I heard the announcer say he's been out before as well. Joyce needs at least 10+ fights before considering going after the best at heavy.
Why is dominating arreolla twice so great? Areolla is way past it and should have been retired years ago, hes also overweight now. Same with ray austin dude is way past it. Stiverene beating those guys means nothing because they werent good anymore.
He never beat an elite opponent and got outboxed by wilder who cant box for ****.
Arreola is better than anyone on Usyk's resume that's why and Stiverne blasted him out with relative ease. Vitali was the only man to stop him and with a healthy hand he would've came away with a decision vs Adamek who was the previous King at Cruiser, Arreola is much better than you think. Austin is 6'6 and would give any cruiser serious trouble at that height/reach, even Haye struggled mightily against tall fighters.
Glowacki is Usyk's best win followed by a shot Huck.
Glowacki went life and death with a shot Huck, while prime Huck was getting stopped in '09 by Cunningham, losing to a fat Pedvetkin, arguably losing to Afolabi 2x, and struggling with Arslan in their 1st bout. The guy Glowacki beat to be regarded so highly was not that great. Adamek would've stopped Huck too. Adamek/Cunningham raised the bar and Huck/Glowacki did not pas it.
The tournament is far from over but people are already crowning Usyk the winner. The reality is his resume is extremely thin and doesn't have a single win over a quality puncher with KO power.
For me it's relative to the accomplishments of fighters from past and present that have set the bar so high.
The fan base is also also largely responsible for overrating their favorite fighter which is common across an array of sports.
Stiverne sucks. Never beat anyone of note and his best win is past it fat areolla.
Nobody at cruiser has beaten anybody of note, dominating Arreola 2x and a win over Austin is better than anybody's resume at cruiser.
Prime Huck set the bar by losing to a pre-steroids Pedvetkin and arguably losing to Ofalabi 2x. Glowacki-Huck was neck and neck with both men touching the canvas, Glowacki failed to really separate himself as a world class fighter.
Prime Stiverne
Pre-steroids Pedvetkin (arguably lost to Chambers)
Prime Huck-Glowacki-Ofalabi all about the same level
That's the levels these guys are/were at.
Too slow and still too small for a blitzkrieg guy like Wilder, who is 4 inches taller, not to mention DW's long reach.
This is another mismatched fight. I can imagine DW salivating again just like in the Arreola and Stiverne fights.
Another blitzkrieg attack is planned by DW in this fight. He's enjoying it.
Waste of time and resources.
Ortiz has one of the longest reaches in HW history at 84 inches, that's longer than Wilder's, Joshua's, both Klitschko bros and just an inch shorter than Fury's and Valuev's. He's not a small HW at all nor is he a clumsy one. Ortiz is a boxer-puncher with an extensive amateur pedigree, 80% KO ratio, undefeated record, and as far as I've seen never been hurt.
Ward systematically breaks him down within 10 and stops him.
Look at what little Kell Brook did to his face in a mere 5 rounds
https://commdiginews-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/GOLOVKIN-Post-Fight-800x574.jpg
ggg's face would be torn up by Ward's clean punching, he'd look amateurish.
Cruiser is just not that great of a division, I have it ranked behind 175 and HW. Most of the fighters are just flat out sloppy.
We've seen multiple fighters from lower divisions doing things they should not have been able to do at cruiser Bellew's win over Makabu is on par with any of Usyk's best wins. Vlasov is another guy that cracked into the top 10 at cruiser with relative ease.
Shot fighters that have already been violently KO'd like Miranda & RJJ were going rounds with some of the hardest hitters in the division like Dorticos & Lebedev. Even Miranda put up a better fight against Dorticos than Kudryahsov. Put either RJJ or Miranda vs 175's biggest punchers and they wouldn't last 5 let alone 10 like they were doing at cruiser.
The smaller weight classes like 175 produce more skilled fighters that are able to expose the sloppier cruisers. While guys like Dorticos & Gassiev, easily top 4 in the division, don't do anything better than most heavies and would be undersized themselves at HW.
Bermane Stiverne is closer 6 foot 2 and not 6 foot 3. Usyk is slightly taller and has the slight edge.
Also, Oleksandr Usyk has a significant hand speed advantage over Stiverne that a mere 2 inches of shorter reach that Usyk has compared to Stiverne is going to be negligible.
Also, Bermane Stiverne's KO percentage is inflated by his Ko performances against bums with 25% losses out of their career record. Delete such opponents and his KO percentage gets closer to 50%. Usyk most likely stops most of Stiverne's opponents too.
Also, Usyk isn't very easy to counter punch. His footwork and angles most likely nullifies any attempts that Stiverne makes on countering Usyk. Usyk already competed against one of the best counter punchers at cruiser weight in Glowacki and he pretty much shut him out, neutralizing most attempts that Glowacki made on countering and I don't believe Stiverne is a better counter puncher than Glowacki.
Also, Usyk boxed against many opponents his own age that have had similar amount of experience. So it might be true that he faced many opponents with less experience, the reverse is also true!
Also, it's totally debatable if Bermane Stiverne is better than Mihai Nistor or other super heavyweights Usyk has already faced.
Bermane Stiverne really isn't that good. You're making him out to be better than he actually is. I'm not even sure if Bermane Stiverne could beat some of the top cruiser weights today. Keep in mind that one of the heavyweight champions today in Manuel Charr was knocked out unconscious by one of the cruiser weight champions of today in Maris Breidis. That goes to show that not all of the heavyweights today are necessary better than the top cruiser weights of today, even if we include some of the top heavyweights.
The biggest guy Usyk has fought in the pro ranks with power/reach was 6'2 Michael Hunter and Usyk lost the first 4 rounds of that fight.
Usyk has hand speed but speed is negated by Stiverne's power counter punching. Stiverne has an 80% KO ratio, Glowacki's is only 60%, that is the key difference.
Usyk is not a Lomachenko, guys do hit him quite often. Mchunu actually stunned him with a right counter, Huck was landing counters sporadically throughout the fight, and Hunter landed plenty going up 4-0 before Usyk could adjust. The difference between Stiverne & all those men is they're much smaller & their KO ratios fall in the 60% range.
You bring up Stiverne knocking out bums but so does Usyk. Usyk's last 2 stoppages came in the 9th & 10th rounds against guys already violently KO'd in Huck/Mchunu. Hunter-Glowacki went the distance.
Huck-Glowacki was neck and neck, just as were Huck's fights with Afolabi. Do you really think Afolabi is as dangerous or as good as prime Stiverne? His KO ratio is barely in the 50% range too. Even that fat version of pre-steroids Pedvetkin was still good enough to beat a prime Huck.
That's where the bar was set at by a prime Huck for the division. Slightly below a fat Pedvetkin, and on par with Afolabi.
You bring up Charr but again, this guy was violently KO'd by Pedvetkin 2 years earlier and Usyk has yet to even fight Briedis or a puncher like hm.
Guys like Dorticos, Gassiev don't do anything better than most heavies, they simply rely on their physicality and power. It's not a coincidence that the 2 hardest hitters in the division are also in the top 4.
Joshua going from getting stopped by an obese 5'11 Nistor with head gear to beating a shredded 6'6 puncher like Wlad speaks volumes about the level he was at then and now. And as old as you think Wlad was, his power and ability is levels ahead of anybody at cruiser and the Olympics.
The best heavies cannot be found in the Olympics but in the pro ranks. Wlad, VItali, Lewis, Povetkin, Wilder, Fury and a host of other heavies peaked at around age 30 after years of experience in the pro ranks there are almost never any outstanding amateurs. The only outstanding amateur currently fighting in the top 10 at HW is Ortiz and he didn't fight in the Olympics.
Usyk loses to the Stiverne from the 1st fight with Wilder. Usyk has not fought any power puncher like Stiverne or with his size, it'd be a shock. He still has to win the tournament to prove himself in my eyes, Briedis, and the winner of Dorticos-Gassiev are quality wins.
Washington, Duhapaus also posses the size, reach, power and skill to beat Usyk. I do not think the HW division favors his style at all and that he should stick to cruiser.
Huck is the best/hardest puncher on Usyk's pro resume with a 65% KO ratio and just 2 KO's within 5 years. Going from fighting 6'1 cruisers to full blown heavies is a huge change.
Yet, he beat the same guys that Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua beat more convincingly and brutally by being able to KO them cleanly and unconsciously. Something that Wilder failed to do to Duhapas, who he couldn't even drop and Joshua couldn't cleanly KO Takam.
That's the 'strength' of the heavyweight division.
-Pedvetkin got blown out by Wlad, AJ KO'd Wlad. Even Jennings was better vs Wlad.
-Pedvetkin's last win over a top 10 HW was a close fight with Chagaev back in 2011. Wilder has top 5 wins over Ortiz/Stiverne.
-Pedvetkin-Takam was a highly competitive fight, AJ-Takam was a blow out, Takam admitting his plan was to survive.
-Duahpas took the fight on 48 hours notice, Pedvetkin tested positive for Ostarine and a had a full training camp.
Why bother about the american scene if he is making more in UK?
If Wilder wants to break on the English scene he needs to fight in UK.
Boxing is no longer dominated by Americans. It is a new era.. Like Bob Dylan said "the times they are a changing."
There is more money in the U.S that's why, there are 350 million people here as opposed to the UK's 50 million and tons of sponsorship deals. At one point Mayweather wasn't making Mayweather money, at one point Pacquiao wasn't making Pac money, Alvarez wasn't making Alvarez money etc.
International stars can and do come here and make more money than they can anywhere else.
He fought his last Welterweight fight around age 20. There is no way he can make 147 pounds. He was weight drained when he fought Mayweather at 152 pounds. He was a Welterweight at one point in his career but those days are over. Let's say this career Welterweight fought Spence right now at 147. He would be a shell of himself. He has stamina problems. He would receive a severe beatng. He fought numerous fights over the JM limit. His own trainer said it was to preserve his career. Obviously making 154 was very difficult. I don't call that being a career Welterweight.
His fights at welter make up the majority of his career fights followed by 154lbs which he last made just before fighting ggg.
Since when in boxing does moving up in weight mean nothing?
Canelo was at a huge size disadvantage in the ring vs ggg, and it'd be the same vs a lot of other guys in the division like Jacobs, Charlo, BJS, even Deryvanchenko who is the same height.
http://xsport.ua/upload/news-photos/06-09-2016-pb/%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80_2.jpg
This is what an actual 160lber is built like at Canelo's stature. Canelo is waaay smaller than this.
Canelo is a career welter, of course he's going to look significantly bigger and carry a ton of muscle moving 2 divisions up. He's not the bigger man the g tards pretend he is, he's always been the smaller guy, the natural welter. It's ggg that's the bigger man dragging guys up from welter, which is especially evident when you look at them from the side.
Because all the rest of the world athletes were playing football and generally weren't as big as Americans. All the best are still playing football.
Boxing is significantly more popular overseas than it is America, that excuse doesn't work. It's like the 10th most popular sport here, probably worse.
If Wilder was European he'd be a star like AJ is. Even Dylan Whyte gets more recognition than Wilder. Guys like Abraham, Wlad, stars in Germany. Even Adamek had huge support from the Polish crowd.
Of course it works. There's millions of soccer players worldwide. I'm sure there's more than a few that would make great boxers. America was kings when nobody else really gave a ****, like all sports they dominate in. :rofl:
It's just an excuse, America's population is barely 330 million or so, the rest of the world has billions of people. And like I said, boxing is more popular overseas than it is here. We're still producing champions despite it not being popular, despite having a fraction of the world's population.
America gets bored with dominating, we master a sport, then lose interest, on to something new. Same thing happened with Hockey.
Thousands turn up to watch the under 17 and 21 play soccer. :lol1: Thinking you're special.
That's cute and all but those are tournaments being watched worldwide with worldwide participation, with a handful of games, and very small rosters.
Regular high school games, with regular teams, with regular high school athletes, routinely draw thousands of people to their games across practically any city in the USA. It takes the international scene to organize a worldwide tournament to come anywhere close to the interest shown in a regular high school football game.
Put it this way, there are more boys and girls in America playing school based sports than the entire population of the UK.