How do you think Oleksandr Usyk does vs all of Deontay Wilder's opponents so far?

The biggest guy Usyk has fought in the pro ranks with power/reach was 6'2 Michael Hunter and Usyk lost the first 4 rounds of that fight. Usyk has hand speed but speed is negated by Stiverne's power counter punching. Stiverne has an 80% KO ratio, Glowacki's is only 60%, that is the key difference. Usyk is not a Lomachenko, guys do hit him quite often. Mchunu actually stunned him with a right counter, Huck was landing counters sporadically throughout the fight, and Hunter landed plenty going up 4-0 before Usyk could adjust. The difference between Stiverne & all those men is they're much smaller & their KO ratios fall in the 60% range. You bring up Stiverne knocking out bums but so does Usyk. Usyk's last 2 stoppages came in the 9th & 10th rounds against guys already violently KO'd in Huck/Mchunu. Hunter-Glowacki went the distance. Huck-Glowacki was neck and neck, just as were Huck's fights with Afolabi. Do you really think Afolabi is as dangerous or as good as prime Stiverne? His KO ratio is barely in the 50% range too. Even that fat version of pre-steroids Pedvetkin was still good enough to beat a prime Huck. That's where the bar was set at by a prime Huck for the division. Slightly below a fat Pedvetkin, and on par with Afolabi. You bring up Charr but again, this guy was violently KO'd by Pedvetkin 2 years earlier and Usyk has yet to even fight Briedis or a puncher like hm. Guys like Dorticos, Gassiev don't do anything better than most heavies, they simply rely on their physicality and power. It's not a coincidence that the 2 hardest hitters in the division are also in the top 4. Joshua going from getting stopped by an obese 5'11 Nistor with head gear to beating a shredded 6'6 puncher like Wlad speaks volumes about the level he was at then and now. And as old as you think Wlad was, his power and ability is levels ahead of anybody at cruiser and the Olympics. The best heavies cannot be found in the Olympics but in the pro ranks. Wlad, VItali, Lewis, Povetkin, Wilder, Fury and a host of other heavies peaked at around age 30 after years of experience in the pro ranks there are almost never any outstanding amateurs. The only outstanding amateur currently fighting in the top 10 at HW is Ortiz and he didn't fight in the Olympics. 1) The biggest guy Usyk has fought in the pro ranks with power/reach was 6'2 Michael Hunter and Usyk lost the first 4 rounds of that fight. Losing a few rounds and winning against an undefeated opponent like Michael Hunter is better than losing to a flat out bum with over 25% losses out of their career record in Demetrice King. 2) Usyk has hand speed but speed is negated by Stiverne's power counter punching. Stiverne has an 80% KO ratio, Glowacki's is only 60%, that is the key difference. Power is all well and good, but if one isn't able to land their punches or set them up properly, power becomes moot. Glowacki is faster than Bermane Stiverne, but his counter punching skills are at least just as good, if not better. Yet, he couldn't land much on Usyk. So how is a slower Bermane Stiverne going to have more success than a faster Glowacki? Power isn't going to help Stiverne land his punches. Power is only going to help Stiverne inflict damage AFTER he lands his punches but he has to first be able to land his punches in the first place and if Glowacki was able to land very few counter punches, then the slower and less skilled Stiverne is going to land even less. Also, Glowacki's opponent's sum win / loss record (the win / loss record of all of his opponents combined) is 514 wins / 279 losses out of 29 bouts. 514 - 279 = 235 Whilst Stiverne's opponent's sum win / loss record is 437 wins / 211 losses out of 29 bouts. 437 - 211 = 226 So it stands to reason that because Glowacki has faced stiffer / better competition, that his knockout percentage is going to be a little lower. Whilst most of Stiverne's opponents have been bums with 25% losses out of their career record or more. Remove such opponent's from both boxer's records and then tell us what the KO percentage of both is. 3) Usyk is not a Lomachenko, guys do hit him quite often. Stylistically, he is very similar. He doesn't need to be as good as Lomachenko to beat Stiverne though. And Usyk is defensively one of the best boxers out of all the boxers above super middleweight. 4) Mchunu actually stunned him with a right counter, Huck was landing counters sporadically throughout the fight, and Hunter landed plenty going up 4-0 before Usyk could adjust. Usyk deliberately fought Mchunu on the inside and on purpose. He beat Mchunu at his own game. If he boxed him on the outside, he would've beaten him like how he beat Glowacki whilst rarely getting touched. Huck was barely landing anything. The odd one or two punches that Usyk sees coming mean nothing. The same is the case with Michael Hunter too. 5) You bring up Stiverne knocking out bums but so does Usyk. Usyk's last 2 stoppages came in the 9th & 10th rounds against guys already violently KO'd in Huck/Mchunu. Hunter-Glowacki went the distance. I wasn't using Usyk's knockout record as an argument as to why he would beat Stiverne. You were. And Stiverne's knockout record against bums has very little significance as to how he'd do against someone with the skills and caliber of Usyk. 6) Huck-Glowacki was neck and neck, just as were Huck's fights with Afolabi. Do you really think Afolabi is as dangerous or as good as prime Stiverne? His KO ratio is barely in the 50% range too. Even that fat version of pre-steroids Pedvetkin was still good enough to beat a prime Huck. Not sure what you're point is what argument you're trying to make with those statements. 7) Guys like Dorticos, Gassiev don't do anything better than most heavies, they simply rely on their physicality and power. It's not a coincidence that the 2 hardest hitters in the division are also in the top 4. Actually, those guys don't outweigh or outreach their opponents as significantly as some of the big heavyweights do. They have better fundamentals too. And Usyk is the most skilled out of the bunch. 8) Joshua going from getting stopped by an obese 5'11 Nistor with head gear to beating a shredded 6'6 puncher like Wlad speaks volumes about the level he was at then and now. And as old as you think Wlad was, his power and ability is levels ahead of anybody at cruiser and the Olympics. It's possible he's been chemically enhanced ever since the amateur drug testing days. Who knows? However, Usyk has also improved too. So these things balance out. 9) The best heavies cannot be found in the Olympics but in the pro ranks. Wlad, VItali, Lewis, Povetkin, Wilder, Fury and a host of other heavies peaked at around age 30 after years of experience in the pro ranks there are almost never any outstanding amateurs. The only outstanding amateur currently fighting in the top 10 at HW is Ortiz and he didn't fight in the Olympics. Perhaps! However, I don't see anything in boxers like Bermane Stiverne, Chris Arreola or pretty much any other opponent Wilder has faced up to date, that makes them much, if at all better than top super heavyweights in the amateurs. You've only listed a rare few boxers and Wilder is yet to face any of them yet.

Arreola is better than anyone on Usyk's resume that's why and Stiverne blasted him out with relative ease. Vitali was the only man to stop him and with a healthy hand he would've came away with a decision vs Adamek who was the previous King at Cruiser, Arreola is much better than you think. Austin is 6'6 and would give any cruiser serious trouble at that height/reach, even Haye struggled mightily against tall fighters. Glowacki is Usyk's best win followed by a shot Huck. Glowacki went life and death with a shot Huck, while prime Huck was getting stopped in '09 by Cunningham, losing to a fat Pedvetkin, arguably losing to Afolabi 2x, and struggling with Arslan in their 1st bout. The guy Glowacki beat to be regarded so highly was not that great. Adamek would've stopped Huck too. Adamek/Cunningham raised the bar and Huck/Glowacki did not pas it. The tournament is far from over but people are already crowning Usyk the winner. The reality is his resume is extremely thin and doesn't have a single win over a quality puncher with KO power. Haye is overrated as **** also. Im just saying usyk isnt a bum like stiverne , and would likely beat his ass if they ever fought.

Why is dominating arreolla twice so great? Areolla is way past it and should have been retired years ago, hes also overweight now. Same with ray austin dude is way past it. Stiverene beating those guys means nothing because they werent good anymore. He never beat an elite opponent and got outboxed by wilder who cant box for ****. Arreola is better than anyone on Usyk's resume that's why and Stiverne blasted him out with relative ease. Vitali was the only man to stop him and with a healthy hand he would've came away with a decision vs Adamek who was the previous King at Cruiser, Arreola is much better than you think. Austin is 6'6 and would give any cruiser serious trouble at that height/reach, even Haye struggled mightily against tall fighters. Glowacki is Usyk's best win followed by a shot Huck. Glowacki went life and death with a shot Huck, while prime Huck was getting stopped in '09 by Cunningham, losing to a fat Pedvetkin, arguably losing to Afolabi 2x, and struggling with Arslan in their 1st bout. The guy Glowacki beat to be regarded so highly was not that great. Adamek would've stopped Huck too. Adamek/Cunningham raised the bar and Huck/Glowacki did not pas it. The tournament is far from over but people are already crowning Usyk the winner. The reality is his resume is extremely thin and doesn't have a single win over a quality puncher with KO power.

Nobody at cruiser has beaten anybody of note, dominating Arreola 2x and a win over Austin is better than anybody's resume at cruiser. Prime Huck set the bar by losing to a pre-steroids Pedvetkin and arguably losing to Ofalabi 2x. Glowacki-Huck was neck and neck with both men touching the canvas, Glowacki failed to really separate himself as a world class fighter. Prime Stiverne Pre-steroids Pedvetkin (arguably lost to Chambers) Prime Huck-Glowacki-Ofalabi all about the same level That's the levels these guys are/were at. Why is dominating arreolla twice so great? Areolla is way past it and should have been retired years ago, hes also overweight now. Same with ray austin dude is way past it. Stiverene beating those guys means nothing because they werent good anymore. He never beat an elite opponent and got outboxed by wilder who cant box for ****.

Stiverne sucks. Never beat anyone of note and his best win is past it fat areolla. Nobody at cruiser has beaten anybody of note, dominating Arreola 2x and a win over Austin is better than anybody's resume at cruiser. Prime Huck set the bar by losing to a pre-steroids Pedvetkin and arguably losing to Ofalabi 2x. Glowacki-Huck was neck and neck with both men touching the canvas, Glowacki failed to really separate himself as a world class fighter. Prime Stiverne Pre-steroids Pedvetkin (arguably lost to Chambers) Prime Huck-Glowacki-Ofalabi all about the same level That's the levels these guys are/were at.

Bermane Stiverne is closer 6 foot 2 and not 6 foot 3. Usyk is slightly taller and has the slight edge. Also, Oleksandr Usyk has a significant hand speed advantage over Stiverne that a mere 2 inches of shorter reach that Usyk has compared to Stiverne is going to be negligible. Also, Bermane Stiverne's KO percentage is inflated by his Ko performances against bums with 25% losses out of their career record. Delete such opponents and his KO percentage gets closer to 50%. Usyk most likely stops most of Stiverne's opponents too. Also, Usyk isn't very easy to counter punch. His footwork and angles most likely nullifies any attempts that Stiverne makes on countering Usyk. Usyk already competed against one of the best counter punchers at cruiser weight in Glowacki and he pretty much shut him out, neutralizing most attempts that Glowacki made on countering and I don't believe Stiverne is a better counter puncher than Glowacki. Also, Usyk boxed against many opponents his own age that have had similar amount of experience. So it might be true that he faced many opponents with less experience, the reverse is also true! Also, it's totally debatable if Bermane Stiverne is better than Mihai Nistor or other super heavyweights Usyk has already faced. Bermane Stiverne really isn't that good. You're making him out to be better than he actually is. I'm not even sure if Bermane Stiverne could beat some of the top cruiser weights today. Keep in mind that one of the heavyweight champions today in Manuel Charr was knocked out unconscious by one of the cruiser weight champions of today in Maris Breidis. That goes to show that not all of the heavyweights today are necessary better than the top cruiser weights of today, even if we include some of the top heavyweights. The biggest guy Usyk has fought in the pro ranks with power/reach was 6'2 Michael Hunter and Usyk lost the first 4 rounds of that fight. Usyk has hand speed but speed is negated by Stiverne's power counter punching. Stiverne has an 80% KO ratio, Glowacki's is only 60%, that is the key difference. Usyk is not a Lomachenko, guys do hit him quite often. Mchunu actually stunned him with a right counter, Huck was landing counters sporadically throughout the fight, and Hunter landed plenty going up 4-0 before Usyk could adjust. The difference between Stiverne & all those men is they're much smaller & their KO ratios fall in the 60% range. You bring up Stiverne knocking out bums but so does Usyk. Usyk's last 2 stoppages came in the 9th & 10th rounds against guys already violently KO'd in Huck/Mchunu. Hunter-Glowacki went the distance. Huck-Glowacki was neck and neck, just as were Huck's fights with Afolabi. Do you really think Afolabi is as dangerous or as good as prime Stiverne? His KO ratio is barely in the 50% range too. Even that fat version of pre-steroids Pedvetkin was still good enough to beat a prime Huck. That's where the bar was set at by a prime Huck for the division. Slightly below a fat Pedvetkin, and on par with Afolabi. You bring up Charr but again, this guy was violently KO'd by Pedvetkin 2 years earlier and Usyk has yet to even fight Briedis or a puncher like hm. Guys like Dorticos, Gassiev don't do anything better than most heavies, they simply rely on their physicality and power. It's not a coincidence that the 2 hardest hitters in the division are also in the top 4. Joshua going from getting stopped by an obese 5'11 Nistor with head gear to beating a shredded 6'6 puncher like Wlad speaks volumes about the level he was at then and now. And as old as you think Wlad was, his power and ability is levels ahead of anybody at cruiser and the Olympics. The best heavies cannot be found in the Olympics but in the pro ranks. Wlad, VItali, Lewis, Povetkin, Wilder, Fury and a host of other heavies peaked at around age 30 after years of experience in the pro ranks there are almost never any outstanding amateurs. The only outstanding amateur currently fighting in the top 10 at HW is Ortiz and he didn't fight in the Olympics.

Usyk loses to the Stiverne from the 1st fight with Wilder. Usyk has not fought any power puncher like Stiverne or with his size, it'd be a shock. He still has to win the tournament to prove himself in my eyes, Briedis, and the winner of Dorticos-Gassiev are quality wins. Washington, Duhapaus also posses the size, reach, power and skill to beat Usyk. I do not think the HW division favors his style at all and that he should stick to cruiser. Huck is the best/hardest puncher on Usyk's pro resume with a 65% KO ratio and just 2 KO's within 5 years. Going from fighting 6'1 cruisers to full blown heavies is a huge change. Stiverne sucks. Never beat anyone of note and his best win is past it fat areolla.

Usyk beats both of them. Just keep pressuring Washington and he'll tire out just like he did in the Miller fight and I'm not sold that Duhaupas can beat a guy on Usyk's level even with a size advantage. Like you said, Usyk has been in the ring with super heavyweights and beat them I don't disagree. Just that those guys are going to be extremely risky if Usyk competes against them immediately when he moves up to heavyweight. He would probably beat them after a few tune up bouts which will obviously enable him to acclimate himself enough to the heavyweight division. Just like how Vasyl Lomachenko lost in his second bout against Orlando Salido but would be the huge favorite to beat him in a rematch if they were to face again. Most of the other boxers on Deontay Wilder's record, I believe Usyk may even beat them in his professional heavyweight debut.

Stiverne-King wasn't a legit stoppage, the ref stopped it waaay too early. There's a clip on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_4kLFofOgw Prime Stiverne is 6'3 240 with an 80" reach +2" on Usyk, and a KO ratio of above 80% as a heavyweight champion. Usyk has never fought anybody that comes close to that. Height gives Stiverne trouble, his style is really effective against guys his own height that he can counter punch. Usyk had a great amateur career but he's already 31, he was an older amateur and used that experience against a lot of younger and inexperienced guys. There are a lot of heavies take up the sport late or are a long way from physically filling out that get dramatically better in the pros. Guys like Wilder, Joshua, Stiverne, Jennings and a bunch of others start the sport late as well so you don't get to see them anywhere near their peak for years. You bring up Joyce but he'd get starched by any top 15 HW, he was getting hit with some punches by Lewinson that'd get him put out by a tough hard hitter. He's gotten much better since fighting Usyk but still is a long way from the elite. 6:45-7:00 (example) His defense is leaky, I thought I heard the announcer say he's been out before as well. Joyce needs at least 10+ fights before considering going after the best at heavy. Bermane Stiverne is closer 6 foot 2 and not 6 foot 3. Usyk is slightly taller and has the slight edge. Also, Oleksandr Usyk has a significant hand speed advantage over Stiverne that a mere 2 inches of shorter reach that Usyk has compared to Stiverne is going to be negligible. Also, Bermane Stiverne's KO percentage is inflated by his Ko performances against bums with 25% losses out of their career record. Delete such opponents and his KO percentage gets closer to 50%. Usyk most likely stops most of Stiverne's opponents too. Also, Usyk isn't very easy to counter punch. His footwork and angles most likely nullifies any attempts that Stiverne makes on countering Usyk. Usyk already competed against one of the best counter punchers at cruiser weight in Glowacki and he pretty much shut him out, neutralizing most attempts that Glowacki made on countering and I don't believe Stiverne is a better counter puncher than Glowacki. Also, Usyk boxed against many opponents his own age that have had similar amount of experience. So it might be true that he faced many opponents with less experience, the reverse is also true! Also, it's totally debatable if Bermane Stiverne is better than Mihai Nistor or other super heavyweights Usyk has already faced. Bermane Stiverne really isn't that good. You're making him out to be better than he actually is. I'm not even sure if Bermane Stiverne could beat some of the top cruiser weights today. Keep in mind that one of the heavyweight champions today in Manuel Charr was knocked out unconscious by one of the cruiser weight champions of today in Maris Breidis. That goes to show that not all of the heavyweights today are necessary better than the top cruiser weights of today, even if we include some of the top heavyweights.

Let's wait until after CW tourney. Some folks that Wilder fought would give Usyk problems.

However, I do think that Washington and Duhapas are going to be a big threat to Usyk, They are both top heavyweights who are big in size, combined with having top level skills as well. The outcomes of those bouts are disputed in my opinion. It depends on how well he acclimates to the heavyweight division and whether he can adjust to the new weight. Usyk beats both of them. Just keep pressuring Washington and he'll tire out just like he did in the Miller fight and I'm not sold that Duhaupas can beat a guy on Usyk's level even with a size advantage. Like you said, Usyk has been in the ring with super heavyweights and beat them

You make some good points! I personally don't see Usyk losing to any version of Stiverne. Stiverne already lost to a bum with more losses than wins on his record in Demetrice King. Usyk is far above that level! However, I do think that Washington and Duhapas are going to be a big threat to Usyk, They are both top heavyweights who are big in size, combined with having top level skills as well. The outcomes of those bouts are disputed in my opinion. It depends on how well he acclimates to the heavyweight division and whether he can adjust to the new weight. Although take into consideration that Usyk has actually fought against super heavyweights in the amateurs and WSB tournament, who are heavyweights by professional boxing standard. So Usyk does have experience against heavyweights and unlike Wilder or Joshua who have been knocked out in the amateurs, Usyk has never been stopped, even against super heavyweights. In fact, Usyk has already beaten the very super heavyweight boxer (Nistor) who knocked Anthony Joshua out in the amateurs, at the super heavyweight division. So Usyk is somewhat experienced and proven at heavyweight in terms of punch resistance and how well his skills translate. Also, one could argue that most of the heavyweights today in the heavyweight division aren't any better than the super heavyweights that Usyk already fought in the amateurs and in the WSB. Especially Deontay Wilder's opponents. The likes of Johan Dhuapas aren't that much, if at all better than the likes of Joe Joyce who Usyk totally schooled. So that has to be taken into consideration. Stiverne-King wasn't a legit stoppage, the ref stopped it waaay too early. There's a clip on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_4kLFofOgw Prime Stiverne is 6'3 240 with an 80" reach +2" on Usyk, and a KO ratio of above 80% as a heavyweight champion. Usyk has never fought anybody that comes close to that. Height gives Stiverne trouble, his style is really effective against guys his own height that he can counter punch. Usyk had a great amateur career but he's already 31, he was an older amateur and used that experience against a lot of younger and inexperienced guys. There are a lot of heavies take up the sport late or are a long way from physically filling out that get dramatically better in the pros. Guys like Wilder, Joshua, Stiverne, Jennings and a bunch of others start the sport late as well so you don't get to see them anywhere near their peak for years. You bring up Joyce but he'd get starched by any top 15 HW, he was getting hit with some punches by Lewinson that'd get him put out by a tough hard hitter. He's gotten much better since fighting Usyk but still is a long way from the elite. 6:45-7:00 (example) His defense is leaky, I thought I heard the announcer say he's been out before as well. Joyce needs at least 10+ fights before considering going after the best at heavy.

He could probably beat them all, such is Wilder's weak resume (not totally his fault when you consider opponents testing dirty). Usyk v Wilder himself or other top HW's is another matter though. I think he would be undersize for the bigger heavyweights of today.

I don't see how Usyk could lose to any journeymen at heavyweight. Let's not pretend Wilder fought anybody.

Usyk would school anybody Wilder has fought. He might not KO some of them but it's hard to imagine him even losing a round.

I think He beats them all, fat plodder Stiverne wouldnt even land on him

Usyk beats all of them bums.

he beats them all maybe Gerald Washington gives him trouble, but Wilder put's him to sleep It's debatable whether Wilder puts Usyk to sleep. Wilder took 10 rounds to land a hail mary punch on Artur Szpilka and Usyk is significantly more skilled than Artur Szpilka. Harder to land clean as well. Usyk loses to the Stiverne from the 1st fight with Wilder. Usyk has not fought any power puncher like Stiverne or with his size, it'd be a shock. He still has to win the tournament to prove himself in my eyes, Briedis, and the winner of Dorticos-Gassiev are quality wins. Washington, Duhapaus also posses the size, reach, power and skill to beat Usyk. I do not think the HW division favors his style at all and that he should stick to cruiser. Huck is the best/hardest puncher on Usyk's pro resume with a 65% KO ratio and just 2 KO's within 5 years. Going from fighting 6'1 cruisers to full blown heavies is a huge change. You make some good points! I personally don't see Usyk losing to any version of Stiverne. Stiverne already lost to a bum with more losses than wins on his record in Demetrice King. Usyk is far above that level! However, I do think that Washington and Duhapas are going to be a big threat to Usyk, They are both top heavyweights who are big in size, combined with having top level skills as well. The outcomes of those bouts are disputed in my opinion. It depends on how well he acclimates to the heavyweight division and whether he can adjust to the new weight. Although take into consideration that Usyk has actually fought against super heavyweights in the amateurs and WSB tournament, who are heavyweights by professional boxing standard. So Usyk does have experience against heavyweights and unlike Wilder or Joshua who have been knocked out in the amateurs, Usyk has never been stopped, even against super heavyweights. In fact, Usyk has already beaten the very super heavyweight boxer (Nistor) who knocked Anthony Joshua out in the amateurs, at the super heavyweight division. So Usyk is somewhat experienced and proven at heavyweight in terms of punch resistance and how well his skills translate. Also, one could argue that most of the heavyweights today in the heavyweight division aren't any better than the super heavyweights that Usyk already fought in the amateurs and in the WSB. Especially Deontay Wilder's opponents. The likes of Johan Dhuapas aren't that much, if at all better than the likes of Joe Joyce who Usyk totally schooled. So that has to be taken into consideration.

Usyk loses to the Stiverne from the 1st fight with Wilder. Usyk has not fought any power puncher like Stiverne or with his size, it'd be a shock. He still has to win the tournament to prove himself in my eyes, Briedis, and the winner of Dorticos-Gassiev are quality wins. Washington, Duhapaus also posses the size, reach, power and skill to beat Usyk. I do not think the HW division favors his style at all and that he should stick to cruiser. Huck is the best/hardest puncher on Usyk's pro resume with a 65% KO ratio and just 2 KO's within 5 years. Going from fighting 6'1 cruisers to full blown heavies is a huge change.

he beats them all maybe Gerald Washington gives him trouble, but Wilder put's him to sleep