All the best American HW's are in the NBA/NFL

The opposite argument can also be true, the only reason why the Americans did so well back in the day is that majority of the world didn't participate in pro boxing. Look at the Olympics where everyone participated, the heavyweights did well but no domination, Cuba did better and there were no Cuban pros in the old days and if they were allowed to be the pros then I bet they would have dominated more than the US athletes.

It's not limited to those 3 sports, there's baseball/basketball/football/track and field/soccer/swimming and many more. There is no place on earth where sports are a more viable career option. You get paid peanuts in Rugby and Cricket, Soccer is where the money is at and even then it's only a handful of teams, players, and their tiny rosters. Total load of BS Track, swimming etc are all Olympic sports and lots of countries in europe do very well at both summer and winter olympics. Soccer only a handful of teams, wow u really are clueless about that, players in lower divisions can even make millions per year, there is so much money in that sport they don't know what to do with it all

you said " If Americans could really have competed against the Klitschkos, then they would've done so and earned a huge pay day. But they didn't! Either because they didn't want the payday or simply because they couldn't defeat the Klitschkos." and ive already pointed out.....there are tons of huge contracts throughout baseball, basketball and football which are easier roads for most of these athletes why would a guy toil for years in america making 2 mil a fight like wilder for one or two big paydays when alot of them already make that money in their first pro contract? a klit payday is a years salary to alot of basketball, baseball and football players...so you have to toil for years making peanuts just to get that one night.... if russians are taking up the other sports they are stupid or have no choice......"no choice"......what else are they going to do? do they have better or more lucrative options? probably not...thats what you are missing......american athletes have other lucrative options..often more lucrative options you dont even understand what you are trying to say...you have 0 clue about the american sports landscape like ive said the russians are stupid if they are pursuing wrestling instead of more lucrative boxing.....that is if they even have the skills and ability to become a top level boxer americans in other sports do have the skill sets...they just never hone or craft them cause they never step in a boxing gym in the first place If you're referring to 'lucrative options' as options that are financially the best . Then the highest paid Russian athletes aren't even boxers. The highest paid Russian athletes are football players, ice hockey players and tennis players. Thus, boxing isn't even the most 'lucrative' option for them. We can speculate about how they'd also do in boxing if they chose boxing over their sports too. Just like how you're doing with non-boxing US athletes. It's you who doesn't understand much, if at all about the sport landscapes of other countries. Why is it that AS SOON AS the Soviets were allowed to start boxing since the 1990's, US boxers were dethroned and were no longer dominant anymore in the heavyweight division? Did boxing somehow randomly become less lucrative than other sports since then? Why wasn't that the case when Soviets weren't still allowed to box professionally? That's like me claiming Americans dominated in the golden era of heavyweight boxing (1970's) because the Brits were too busy playing other sports that were more lucrative, such as golf and football. Do you realize how silly that sounds?

NONE of these guys are choosing boxing first over those other sports it is just not happening and it is not going to happen. It is some of Dabble in boxing a little bit and fight in golden gloves tournament but eventually purse other sports because that is where all of their friends are after school and not in a boxing gm Hard to just pick up boxing late, you miss out on all the Technique Stuff you learn from the Gym and Amateurs and also building up that natural punch resistance and reflexes. We seen what happens when American Football players try to box later, their Chins SUCK like with Seth Mitchell because while playing Football he missed out on years and years of experiences that you can't replace with just talent and power Lets see how someone like Darmani Rock Develops, one of the few American big guys who actually chose Boxing over those other sports. Will be interesting to see how he develops as a pro I think he is better for the Pros that what he was able to showcase in Amateurs. 20 or 21 years old now had a good Amateur Career. He has a lot of potential if he keeps his weight in check also not sure signing with Roc Nation was the right move now really not getting showcased at all he just kinda fighting in Small Venues but he should be in the mix with that next Class Daniel Dubois, Okolie, Tony Yoka, Joe Joyce and those guys October 19th in. North Carolina I’m back in the ring �� �� lets get it soon to be 9-0 #HUNGRY #COUNTEDOUT A post shared by TIGHT (@darmanirock) on Sep 20, 2017 at 4:43pm PDT

This whole argument is moot. This can be said for literally every country in the world

What relevance does that have with my last post? you said " If Americans could really have competed against the Klitschkos, then they would've done so and earned a huge pay day. But they didn't! Either because they didn't want the payday or simply because they couldn't defeat the Klitschkos." and ive already pointed out.....there are tons of huge contracts throughout baseball, basketball and football which are easier roads for most of these athletes why would a guy toil for years in america making 2 mil a fight like wilder for one or two big paydays when alot of them already make that money in their first pro contract? a klit payday is a years salary to alot of basketball, baseball and football players...so you have to toil for years making peanuts just to get that one night.... if russians are taking up the other sports they are stupid or have no choice......"no choice"......what else are they going to do? do they have better or more lucrative options? probably not...thats what you are missing......american athletes have other lucrative options..often more lucrative options you dont even understand what you are trying to say...you have 0 clue about the american sports landscape like ive said the russians are stupid if they are pursuing wrestling instead of more lucrative boxing.....that is if they even have the skills and ability to become a top level boxer americans in other sports do have the skill sets...they just never hone or craft them cause they never step in a boxing gym in the first place

what russian wrestlers have 150 mil contracts plus sneaker endorsements? What relevance does that have with my last post?

Both claims make as much sense as each other. In other words, both are speculations that have no real basis in the REAL world. Russians usually choose wrestling over boxing. Wrestling is a more common sport in Russia. What would've happened if majority of those wrestlers were to choose boxing and not wrestling when they started their careers? We don't know for sure! Likewise, the same can be said of other non-boxing Eastern European athletes too. what russian wrestlers have 150 mil contracts plus sneaker endorsements?

another dumb idiot this guy actually said "some of the best euro HWs are in other sports such as sambo, fencing and wrestling"...LMAOOOOOOOO what a clown ali made 2.5 to fight frazier and over 5 to fight foreman you know how much bill russell made playing basketball in his era? 100k a year.....lololol i done told you UK sillynannies...the balance in money shifted greatly in the mid to late 90s there used to be money in boxing in the US....Lawrence taylor made less than 2 mil a year in the early 90s and he was as big as it got in the NFL...meanwhile bowe, holy and tyson were pulling down big bucks now a top 5 draft pick on defense in the nfl is getting a 17 mil signing bonus and 20 mil contract off the bat before he plays a snap......... you guys have no idea about the landscape of american sports....so stop talking about it...you are all clueless Both claims make as much sense as each other. In other words, both are speculations that have no real basis in the REAL world. Russians usually choose wrestling over boxing. Wrestling is a more common sport in Russia than boxing is. What would've happened if majority of those wrestlers were to choose boxing and not wrestling when they started their careers? What would've happened if majority of Russian MMA fighters or Sambo fighters chose boxing over their current respective sport? We don't know for sure! Likewise, the same can be said of other non-boxing Eastern European athletes too. If Americans could really have competed against the Klitschkos, then they would've done so and earned a huge pay day. But they didn't! Either because they didn't want the payday or simply because they couldn't defeat the Klitschkos.

yeah that makes perfect sense, all those guys u mention were football/bb players, thats 2 sports, yet in europe they only offer soccer, rugby or cricket, thats 3 sports lol btw football is played by kicking the football, the hint is in the name, in nfl u throw the ball mostly, throwball It's not limited to those 3 sports, there's baseball/basketball/football/track and field/soccer/swimming and many more. There are Olympic Medalists like Justin Gatlin turned football player, former swimmers like Kris Humphries going from beating THE Michael Phelps as a kid to the NBA, NCAA wrestlers turned football players, even athletes like Mayweather/Rousey/Tyson that get paid million for some fake WWE wrestling gig. There is no place on earth where sports are a more viable career option. You get paid peanuts in Rugby and Cricket, Soccer is where the money is at and even then it's only a handful of teams, players, and their tiny rosters.

It's not just Wilder, it's guys like Shawn Porter, Jason Sosa, Holyfield, James Toney, both Charlo bros were football/bball players etc. even Andre Ward played football. There are multiple avenues which anybody can choose from in America, the same cannot be said about Europe where you offer soccer, rugby, or some sport like cricket. yeah that makes perfect sense, all those guys u mention were football/bb players, thats 2 sports, yet in europe they only offer soccer, rugby or cricket, thats 3 sports lol btw football is played by kicking the football, the hint is in the name, in nfl u throw the ball mostly, throwball

Atlas has talked about this a lot. Boxing is the road less traveled. Very tough be a champion in this sport. NFL/NBA is more popular and a lot easier road.

The way our sports are set up in general don't allow for many to slip through to boxing like they do in Europe. With a Hispanic population of 50 million, where do you think all our hispanic fighters are at? There is no shortage of Mikey Garcias, or 6'2 fighters like Benavedez/Ramirez, or guys built like De La Hoya. It's not just Wilder, it's guys like Shawn Porter, Jason Sosa, Holyfield, James Toney, both Charlo bros were football/bball players etc. even Andre Ward played football. There are multiple avenues which anybody can choose from in America, the same cannot be said about Europe where you offer soccer, rugby, or some sport like cricket. I'm still not quite sure what your point is. In general I'd imagine that all other things being equal, you'd expect a balanced global distribution in the quality of fighters. Of course, all else isn't equal - there's greater poverty in some countries, a better historical amateur program in others and more financial incentives to go in a direction other than boxing in yet others (like the US). The reasons why young people might choose one or other sport in different countries are many, but I'm not really sure why you started a thread to point that out. Are you feeling that American HW boxing receives unfair criticism from European fans?

The Euro crowd thinks our athletics and theirs are similar, they're not at all. Pro sports in America are a more viable as an option for your career than ANYWHERE in the world. Our schools turned our athletics into a business and are largely dependent on the revenue, this isn't the case for the majority of the world. A college education can cost you upwards of $100k+, this isn't the case for most of the rest of the world that offers free education. Americans offer our children as young as 4 years old to play a wide variety of sports, this isn't the case for the rest of the world which offers soccer, rugby, then some sport like cricket. America is like no other place on earth.

OK, What is this? Just like a flag waving thread or something? I've no doubt that the US may have done better at HW if there weren't better options for your bigger guys, but you lose me after that. How does Wilder getting a title (or even, eventually being crowned HW king) prove anything about anything? You're saying that because 1 guy made it to the top (or near the top) of the heaviest division of boxing it proves that if they had wanted too, lots of others could too? Let me link you to some sh1t on logical fallacy, man. I'm sure lots of other folks could learn from it too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy https://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/ Possibly I'm missing your point though. The way our sports are set up in general don't allow for many to slip through to boxing like they do in Europe. With a Hispanic population of 50 million, where do you think all our hispanic fighters are at? There is no shortage of Mikey Garcias, or 6'2 fighters like Benavedez/Ramirez, or guys built like De La Hoya. It's not just Wilder, it's guys like Shawn Porter, Jason Sosa, Holyfield, James Toney, both Charlo bros were football/bball players etc. even Andre Ward played football. There are multiple avenues which anybody can choose from in America, the same cannot be said about Europe where you offer soccer, rugby, or some sport like cricket.

So now you're comparing all your sports just to soccer in the UK? :rofl: Your argument started with NFL being more popular in America than soccer is in the UK. As i said you know nothing. Moving the goalposts. Football tickets alone are enough to eclipse the total amount in soccer. Let me break this down for you: Youth: Flag football Pee-wee football Middle school: 7th grade 8th grade High school+ Freshman Junior Varisty Varisty College Pros Each roster consists of 20-40 players, each team is separate, tickets are sold separately. Entire families show up, buy tickets and watch them play. The amount of tickets sold fo football at all stages per year take sa big wet dump around the mere 30 million sold by pro soccer. Schools are utterly dependent on athletics to bring in revenue, we've turned it into a business. That's not even counting the other sports we offer. It's not unusual for basketball players to transition to football, or baseball to football, basketball to baseball etc. The UK is not America lmao, we offer our kids as young as 4 the ability to play a variety of sports, we're not just limited to soccer/rugby or some gay ass sport like cricket.

Boxing is significantly more popular overseas than it is America, that excuse doesn't work. It's like the 10th most popular sport here, probably worse. If Wilder was European he'd be a star like AJ is. Even Dylan Whyte gets more recognition than Wilder. Guys like Abraham, Wlad, stars in Germany. Even Adamek had huge support from the Polish crowd. Good points

It's hard to believe this used to be a hot debate among boxing fans for years, where had all the American HW's gone? It was generally split, the Americans believed that statement while the Euro crowd would laugh it off. They believed the best we could produce were guys like Chambers or Thompson. The Americans weren't fooled though, we'd seen the quality of our athletes among various sports and knew how unpopular boxing had become in America. That decade long debate all came to an end when one finally slipped through the cracks due to certain circumstances, a 20 year old with aspirations of playing collegiate football/bball, now a HW champion. https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/926954734.jpg?w=748&h=579&crop=1OK, What is this? Just like a flag waving thread or something? I've no doubt that the US may have done better at HW if there weren't better options for your bigger guys, but you lose me after that. How does Wilder getting a title (or even, eventually being crowned HW king) prove anything about anything? You're saying that because 1 guy made it to the top (or near the top) of the heaviest division of boxing it proves that if they had wanted too, lots of others could too? Let me link you to some sh1t on logical fallacy, man. I'm sure lots of other folks could learn from it too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy https://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/ Possibly I'm missing your point though.

yeah the best guys in every other country (except america of course) are boxing while the best guys in america are all doing other things, yeah makes perfect sense alrite its like the argument that fighters in america dont benefit from home country advantage in fights LOL, what next if every big guy in the world took up boxing to see how good they were who knows what the **** would happen and who cares of course there would be good potential boxers in the nba or nfl or whatever, there may be good potential boxers in wallstreet too, most people dont make a song and dance about it tho, inferiority complex?

30 million tickets sold for pro soccer. I bet that's more than your NFL and NBA combined. In a country 1/6 the size. :rofl: You had no clue what you were talking about. lmao that number is nothing compared to the amount of tickets sold for middle school, high school, and collegiate sports in America. We literally have more kids playing sports than the 30 million sold for pro soccer, forget tens of million, we sell HUNDREDS of millions. American schools depend on sports for yearly revenue, they've turned it into a billion dollar industry. How exactly do you think a $72 million dollar stadium for high school, not pros, not collegiate, gets paid for? There is no place on earth that has their schools and sports linked like we do.