Well this is what i think....In boxing there is always egos and in this situation Chavez is the star or at least the person bringin people in the venue,unless they have to,I don't see why should they give in to lee's camp request,just because lee wants to?its like saying to Chavez ,lets do a blood test right now,i am willing,It doesn't matter,Lee is nobody to be requesting anything,on the other hand,they can always weight the gloves when the match is over,I really believe this is nothing but mind games and roach dont play those games.I think it doesnt matter what chavez does,people always complains,I have heard people complaining about him moving to 168,when many many people were saying chavez just hides in 160 because he cannot handle 168 pounders.Many are even saying he is doing that to avoid martinez,when in reality martines should move to 168 as well.Anyways people is never happy and always find something to make it a controversy.Why do you think the comission denied the request,because they are in chavez side or because lee has no right to ask for that?...Can you imagine if bradley would of requested the same to pac?there is no way pac would of accepted.....Anyways,many idiots in this site that dont stop and think,seemed they always blind with either envy or are just mouse pushers that think know a lot..This is my opinion.....BTW,what happens if chavez KO's lee?will that be because the gloves?or will he get his props..nah,people will come out with something and myself isnt a fan of chavez nor canelo and i am a real mexican,born and raised!!
dude its not the same
the gloves have to be the same weight
there's only one way to do that- WEIGH THEM
both fighters "brought their own"
this is not allowed anywhere else but the southern lawless commissions
gloves have to be agreed on and weighed !! this is supposed to be a championship fight
you cant even "bring your own" to white collar boxing or tough guy matches
Recently- AMIR KHANS reeboks were a pound under and had to be changed to everlasts
didn't amir khans Reebok weigh to much or too little for his last fight with Reebok sponsoring?
yes they were a LB under weight and were actually 9oz gloves adn they had to be changed
theres no need to check in texas and the commission doesnt even provide the gloves you can bring your own pair
Let the commission do their job?
there is little to no commission in places like arkansas and texas
the gloves must be the same weight in a fight
and bringing your own is madness
edit :Finkel wasn't Klitschko manager it was Bonte in 2015 , you don't know that because you don't follow timelines because you don't follow the current times. It's why Finkel would never had let Wilder fight him , we know this because he said it, it's why Wlad fought Joshua .
you need to follow timelines yourself, I remember finkel being involved in the wlad v haye negotiations, finkell has been there for ages as a business manager of some type, I think Bonte is more promotion based.
paddy power will give you 100/1 for a fury round one win
22/1 for wilder
hell you even get 60/1 for a fury tko in 12
even the favourite rounds like a 7th ko for wilder is 14/1
draw 28/1
there is money to be made, if you bet a tko all rounds plus the draw, you would only lose everything if went the distance.
interesting odds
Wilder doesn't throw strictly looping punches, he throws a ton of very short punches that often go unnoticed like the jab that he dropped Ortiz with.
He's a good inside fighter and body puncher as well, but one of his strongest skills is his management of distance. His distance management is on the level of the Klitschko bros and Fury, it's elite.
Very difficult to even hit Wilder unless he's taking chances and trying to land himself. Wilder is very skilled just not so much fundamentally which is what most people are only capable of seeing, it's a failure of the fans to see his sheer skill.
good points, what about that chin though ?
Surly it cannot be any good, the body type Wilder has, history has shown, monster punchers, glass jaws !
Also one more thing there is still today no minimum weight in boxing for any class.
none.
only a maximum. Pac weighed in a division lower before IIRC
and even if the alphabet soup was to set a limit and none agress and the fight goes ahead the lineal title still goes with it. Do not give the crooks the power they crave.
not buying this. people were saying how 'awkward and unorthodox' indongo was too and then when he came up against someone with tight technique at world level he got obliterated.WIlders getting away with it because his opposition has been so poor, nothing else. its called the sweet science for a reason
well he managed it at olympic level as an amatuer too and there is countless examples of it in the past as well.
he doesnt do what he is "supposed to" though I will give you that
Finkel retired as Klitschko manager around 2008. He was frozen out making the Joshua fight because Hearn knew he was a pain in the ass. What does Haye have to do with the Joshua or Wilder fights?
you know I looked up an article and indeed Finkell did retire from boxing management in 2010
I was about to admit I was wrong but at the end it said:
While Finkel will shed his management contracts, he said he would continue to act in an advisory role to heavyweight champions Wladimir Klitschko and Vitali Klitschko, with whom he has worked for several years.
my understanding is his position had nothing to do with bonte who works for K2 promoting
like de la hoya and schaefer
also probably the only person I would trust less than finkell would be hearn.
Either way as a business manager/advisor he should not be involved in fights contract- it's against the ALI act, seems his position is more important in wilders career than wlads, according to the potentially corrupt hearn :)
then again maybe its not , maybe Lou Debella has a far better position and eddie cant admit it
Wow. They will strip these guys so canelo won't need to fight them. It's there own fault.
mean while canelo was fighting for WBC title and wasnt even enrolled whilst everybody else even for a top ten ranking had to do it
what a joke
Yea Cycling post Armstrong is pretty much, you miss YOUR GUILTY unless you prove otherwise now.
Boxing should follow suit (hell so should all pro sports). Then again i think doctor prescribed and supervised GH for recovery should be mandatory also but that's just me.
I think GH at some point will be mandatory for people in general LOL
what about blood doping , taking your own **** out then putting it back, how can they regulate that ?
These are the men that I know of that went from MW to HW or better. Some of them start as LWs or WWs.
Daniel The Jew Mendoza in the 1790s
Jem Belcher the very end of the 1700 and beginning of the 1800s
Harry Broome 1840s-50s
Tommy Sayers 1850s-60s.
Jem Mace 1850s-70s
Joe Coburn 1850s-60s
Tom Allen 1860s-70s
Joe Goss 1860s-1880s.
Bob Fitzsimmons 1890s.
Roy Jones Junior 1990s-2000s.
That is a nice round ten since boxing's revival in the 1720s.
Of them I think Roy is the only man to actually have to meet any weight requirements to do it. There was no minimal for HW from the 1790s to the 1890s.
There are 41 Bare knuckle English champs listed by CBZ and 12 American. That's 53 total bare knuckle champions recognized by CBZ.
8 of these listed are bare knuckle, one Queensberry, and one that fought under both LPRR and Queensberry.
Clearly prior to weight divisions about one in six champions were not true HWs. Since weight division became formalized only one man has been able to hit those marks and still be successful.
Usually when comparing a present fighter's world record to a past fighter's who used to own that record or one similar it takes some shine away from the present. For example Manny Pacquiao is the champion to cover the most weight divisions is he not? Well Mendoza was a LW who became HW champion. Plenty of people have compared Pac and Floyd to Armstrong probably the original modern day look at the weight divisions I covered guy and explained if Armstrongs period had as many weight divisions it wouldn't look so special for Pac to have 8.
In Roy's case it seem like modern era atmospheres worked to better his stance against the men who came before him. None of the men who came before him had to add weight to their bodies and figure out how to box with this new weight, on top of that he did cover a pretty respectable amount of weight by anyone's standard. I hate to pick on Pac but he covered 35lbs while Roy covered 34lbs. 112-147 and 159-1993 respectively.
All of this without even talking about HOF wins or his resume. Clearly to me RJJ is one of the greatests.
Sir you are talking ungloved times and divisions when the HW champ was only a few lbs over lightheavy, I guess that works in Roys favour actually.
Unfortunately though Roy didnt even beat the HW champ and the world knows it , there is no lineage Lennox was champ back then.
Also James Toney actually beat the same man for that same exact record- of course it was ruled a NC due to drugs but lets be honest here, probablky bhop wouldve beat ruiz too back then esp with no holding allowed.
I say none of that to mock Roy btw he was great. People always talk about "best of his generation", blah blah blah
but I distinctively remember floyd as a multi weight champion behind roy in the p4p while both were active, floyd was far more prime too, and actually slower LOL and much lighter
this is great , canelo doesnt even enroll with the WBC as a former title holder and then fought ggg for the title and lost, THEN actually fails a drug test for PED, then the WBC say he's innocent then finally he enrolls
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/23515449/canelo-alvarez-enrolls-drug-testing-program-eliminating-one-hurdle-gennady-golovkin-rematch
very funny , these guys have no place enforcing rules
weights in gloves is assault with deadly weapon and drugging somebody is also another felony, have the filed a police report ?
This is serious business
When you want to argue but miss the mark entirely.
characters like this are very unusual. A fan of a promoter. Supports all Hearns guys even when they fail drug tests and of course you can literally tell whom he supports based on their promoter, and all those posts in such little time.
So you are assuming Pac took.. So what's your proof because he was able to hurt Thurman? Jeez.. you guys really going for opinions than facts. Hear say again so lame.
You guys should know peds work better with young stallions. If they were fighting with Peds. Thurman would have gotten the edge.. But since you like to assume it's only Pac who will do it.. That's just fair right.. You can't see the skill of the guy. You rather see one is a cheat.. Sad..
If there's a joke of a fight. This one is. care to figure out which one? If you said it's the right one. You don't belong in this forum.
https://youtu.be/hFv682tjdtY
You don't know a thing about reality, it's cute that you are so innocent.
Eventually you will get it. All sports especially for big money use drugs. You really think someone is going for example sit out an injury for years or use a product for much faster regeneration, that is legal outside of the sports world.
It's actually hilarious
Ps
I said nothing about specific fights I'm letting you know reality and my post is not hate on pacquaio, they all do it, it would be foolish not to.
Wow.. Really? So what's your evidence Pac took. Show me?
All I know Pac has done all sorts of testing VADA, USADA, OSDT, Vegas testing, international testing.. for 4 generations now. And never failed a drug test in his pro career. So pls enlighten me. When did he get caught?
IS this going to be your excuse after Pac smokes Spence? Yes?
Pacs probably my favourite fighter. But I'm not an idiot. Every single person boxing on TV is using if not in camp then between fights at the very least.
It benefits the body in every way possible and vada tests are easy to beat and the people in the Olympics beat the most strict of tests all the time.
Testosterone and growth hormone is prescribed in the USA too. Especially by dodgy doctors in Vegas.
Doesn't make it strong as you age.. You can have bone mass.. But everyone knows substance that are unnatural will break your body as you get old. That's why Body builders die early. Look at Marquez after memo Heredia.. He had to quit boxing, he became slow and rheumatism aged his body..
What happens to drug addicts? They lose their teeth..
When you take banned substance, There's always a trade off.. It's like making a deal with the devil.
Pac still formidable at this age only shows he has been clean all these years. Like I said, the most tested fighter in history 4 generations. Never failed a drug test. Somehow still being questioned, since what he does in the ring is unbelievable. Only way to taint him is say he did. That in itself is a compliment on how good he is. He must be on peds.
If you have no clue how these drugs work why talk nonsense?
Bodybuilding at the professional level that insanity doses but testosterone and growth hormones preserve the body as they drop significantly as you age.
That's why doctors prescribe them. Please stop spewing about something that you know nothing about.
And oh yeah the tests are beaten all the time.
It's cute that you are so innocent and niave. All your TV fighting heroes take them to preserve the body recover quicker and countless other reasons.
As for cycling EPO increases red blood cell count which means more oxogen so yes they use the same drugs you innocent little flower
Braekhus was not in a weak era and she has better wins than any active fighter by far.
She beat Anne Sophie Mathis twice
She beat Myriam Lamare
She beat Chevelle Hallback
She beat Mikaela Lauren twice
She beat Mia St John
She beat Erica Farias
You know nothing about women's boxing.
Braekhus has beaten 17 other world champs from 126 all the way to 160. She has more wins over world champs than Taylor has total fights.
She has been undisputed at welterweight since Taylor and Shields were amateurs.
She has been a 2 belt champ since Shields was in grade school.
She has 25 straight title defenses.
She has never lost more than 3 rounds in any fight.
Holly Holm ran to a different weight class and then a different sport the two times the WBC ordered her to fight Braekhus.
There's a reason all these fighters move up and down to every weight class but 147. They all know they can't touch Braekhus.
She has beaten arguably the biggest puncher in women's boxing history in Mathis. Twice. McCaskill has no chance and neither would Taylor, Serrano, or Persoon.
All these stats means nothing but you are right the original poster and probably the rest of the forums know nothing about women's boxing, because it's crap and devoid of talent.
There's more belts and weight classes than there are good fighters.
Again, if you feel that way...can you explain how weight played a factor?
Was JMM hitting him a lot but not having any effect? Did Floyd force JMM to carry his weight or did he use his size advantage to manhandle JMM?
If it wasn't an issue then why did he have to do it ?
The Saudi’s are paying big money for big names. Lesner got that kind of money for his Saudi appearance last year. Cain Velasquez is making big bucks as well. These shows are outside the WWE scale as SA is paying for big stars to come.
As a whole WWE doesn’t pay very well compared to mainstream actual sports. They don’t pay stars for travel and medical expenses.
The majority of the roster doesn’t make more than 500k and if your not selling merchandise your not making 7 figures.
just like wrestlers height , weight and everything else, the supposed pay is also exaggerated, its normal and looks good on them and fury
It is a record. No champion has ever finished a career undefeated and untied with a better record than 50-0.
That is nonsense though, you are basically giving somebody more credit for retiring and not boxing.
So Chavez could've retired at 60-0, 70-0, 80-0 and would have much superior record, but didnt and cause he was like 100-2 at one time or whatever this is somehow bad in the modern times lol
It is all nonsense though I believe because, really it matters championship level fighting and floyd is right up there as much as any great, that's the real substance.
And when you have between 20-30 championship or very high level fights even without a title, that really is like the records back in the day with guys like archie moore
You see it doesnt really matter with Moores 200 fights I think some crazy number like that, he still only had 2 title fights a year the other fights were shorter non title fights against lesser compeition, basically the high level guys dont do that today but they do however have long training camps with top pros doing rounds with them all the way through,
Similar really, they make more from the promotion than fitting in lesser fights for low money
So its all about substance not numbers and not even a loss or draw here or there matters, with that many title fights everybody looses and floyd already did but it was scored incorrectly
He has been managed terribly by Eddie. Never capitalised on the win in America versus Porter properly.
Then all the time Kell and Eddie wasted so much energy in chasing Khan, then Khan used them to get a much bigger fight leaving egg on their face.
The worst was yet to come when Eddie took Khan onboard , poor Kell , lol, then Khan just jumped ship without giving them anything from that arrangement, then here we have Kell in Sheffield fighting again.
I thin kell needs to go to a smaller pond he will never be a priority in Hearns stable, just too many bigger names.