Let's be honest, Roy Jones JR was good but not great.

Roy Jones is high up there in ATG ranking. He is greater than his foe Hopkins and Toney.. 1. Roy 2. Toney 3. Hopkins

I never really cared for Roy but at his peak he was as close to an unbeatable fighter as I've ever seen. An absolute freak of nature when it came to reflexes and overall athleticism.

I always wondered what would've happened if Roy didn't move up to heavyweight. Going up and down in weight ruined him. It's funny how Tarver said that the weight loss had nothing to do with it, then the same thing happened to him against Hopkins (moving up in weight for the Rocky movie then losing it and looking like crap). I remember around the time Roy fought Ruiz, my dad was telling me that Roy should consider retirement soon because he made good money and took relatively little damage. In hindsight that might not have been a bad idea. Good post...!!!

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If you want to. Generally most of the lists I've seen by historians and consensus panels would have Jones around 10 or so strictly at 175. I'd agree with them. His wins at 175 aren't that impressive compared to a lot of the men that I'd personally have ahead of him. His skill and dominance stands up though, no doubt. Do you honestly think he has a better claim at 175 than Charles, Spinks, Greb, Moore for example? He was never lineal and never got the previous #1 in the ring despite both sharing the top 2 spots for about 6 years. That counts against him when we strictly are ranking based solely on his 175 career. Technically in a previous era he'd not have even been champion AND his list of opposition at the weight was weak in general. 1) 5th - https://www.talksports24x7.com/2018/06/01/top-10-greatest-light-heavyweights-of-all-time/ 2) 2nd - http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/the-10-greatest-light-heavyweights-of-all-time/10/ 3) 3rd - https://bleacherreport.com/articles/350217-top-10-light-heavyweights-in-boxing-history I get that it's just an opinion, but based on resume's and wins vs. losses in the division, not very many fighters stack up to Roy Jones Jr., who was 16-1 (only loss was DQ) in title fights at LHW before moving up to HW.

You're name ranking. Do you really want me to break down their careers to show you how that's totally not true? If you want to. Generally most of the lists I've seen by historians and consensus panels would have Jones around 10 or so strictly at 175. I'd agree with them. His wins at 175 aren't that impressive compared to a lot of the men that I'd personally have ahead of him. His skill and dominance stands up though, no doubt. Do you honestly think he has a better claim at 175 than Charles, Spinks, Greb, Moore for example? He was never lineal and never got the previous #1 in the ring despite both sharing the top 2 spots for about 6 years. That counts against him when we strictly are ranking based solely on his 175 career. Technically in a previous era he'd not have even been champion AND his list of opposition at the weight was weak in general.

In head-to-head I can't because I'd have Jones in the top 5 for sure but in terms of legacy and what they did at 175 I'll have a go. Remember Jones didn't really win the lineal title and got his belts from an unfair stripping of Michealski who he'd have beaten IMO. Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Harry Greb (his 175 resume is INSANE) Michael Spinks Gene Tunney Billy Conn Tommy Loughran Bob Foster Harold Johnson For sure based on 175 career and resume and then you've got a lot of arguable and some probables like John Henry Lewis, Jimmy Bivins, Maxie Rosenbloom. It's a ridiculously stacked and deep division. You're name ranking. Do you really want me to break down their careers to show you how that's totally not true?

Name 9 fighters better at LHW. I guarantee you can't. In head-to-head I can't because I'd have Jones in the top 5 for sure but in terms of legacy and what they did at 175 I'll have a go. Remember Jones didn't really win the lineal title and got his belts from an unfair stripping of Michealski who he'd have beaten IMO. Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Harry Greb (his 175 resume is INSANE) Michael Spinks Gene Tunney Billy Conn Tommy Loughran Bob Foster Harold Johnson For sure based on 175 career and resume and then you've got a lot of arguable and some probables like John Henry Lewis, Jimmy Bivins, Maxie Rosenbloom. It's a ridiculously stacked and deep division.

Roy Jones was great. I remember forums were rough back then too because he had a lot of fanboys that would cry if you didn't agree he's the best ever but he was truly great. He did things wrong but did them so good they were so right but only for him. A lot of Mayweather fanboys today were crushing on Jones something terrible then gave up on him after he lost. I guess the legitimate gripes against him are that his fall from grace was one of the steepest in history, he did spend a lot of his prime not fighting top opposition (the Michelscki fight should have happened somehow), his 175 titles were unfairly taken from Michelscki and ended in his lap and the PED thing was real. He did get busted and he was obviously juiced for a long time. He was something special though. Speed, power, timing, reflexes, movement etc; an incredibly gifted athlete and he was dominant and there are good wins in there like Toney, Hopkins, Johnson, Hill, Griffin etc; He was the only fighter I ever considered unbeatable I'd probably rate him around 35-45 all-time p4p, probably around 10-12 all-time at 175 and IMO he's top 5 of the last 25 years. Name 9 fighters better at LHW. I guarantee you can't.

Roy Jones was great. I remember forums were rough back then too because he had a lot of fanboys that would cry if you didn't agree he's the best ever but he was truly great. He did things wrong but did them so good they were so right but only for him. A lot of Mayweather fanboys today were crushing on Jones something terrible then gave up on him after he lost. I guess the legitimate gripes against him are that his fall from grace was one of the steepest in history, he did spend a lot of his prime not fighting top opposition (the Michelscki fight should have happened somehow), his 175 titles were unfairly taken from Michelscki and ended in his lap and the PED thing was real. He did get busted and he was obviously juiced for a long time. He was something special though. Speed, power, timing, reflexes, movement etc; an incredibly gifted athlete and he was dominant and there are good wins in there like Toney, Hopkins, Johnson, Hill, Griffin etc; He was the only fighter I ever considered unbeatable I'd probably rate him around 35-45 all-time p4p, probably around 10-12 all-time at 175 and IMO he's top 5 of the last 25 years.

Roy jones jr was unique Unmatched athleticism In his prime he was possibly the most unbeatable fighter...ever

He was exciting to watch, for sure, but let's analyse his career. He got himself rolling by beating 20 bums to build up a 20-0 record, which is fair enough as is often done. In that run he beat the likes of Ricky Randall, Rollin Pin Williams and and Tony Waddles. Heard of them? Don't worry, neither has anybody else. In his 21st fight he fought the Legend Bernard Hopkins 22-1 for the vacant IBF World title. Roy deservedly won the decision, but this was a pre prime Bernard Hopkins! Hopkins was a late bloomer, a fine wine who aged majestically, at this stage, he was merely a good domestic fighter. He had four further soft touches in his following fights, leading into a big fight against James Toney 44-0-2. Jones got the win on points and deserved it, his second good win of his career. He may have hit top 20 P4P in the world at this stage, but he was nowhere near the elite. He then failed to continue this momentum and fought six more nobodies, before facing Mike Macallum 49-3-1, which might sound like a good name on paper, but at this time, Mike was 40 and completely finished. Roy won again, obviously. Around this time Roy was running and hiding from Dariusz Michalczewski, who he knew he couldn't beat. Instead he faced Montell Griffin 26-0. They both had a victory over James Tony in common, Montell also had wins over Randy McGaugh, Terrence Wright and Tony Golden. It seemed like a really 50-50 on paper and so it proved. In the later rounds, Jones was seemingly 3-4 rounds down on the scorecards, he caught Griffin with a good punch knocking him down to close the deficit, but his frustration in his own performance and self realisation that he's not as good as he though he was, he hit Griffin whilst he was on the floor, suffering his first defeat by DQ. To be fair to Jones, they rematched and he won by first round KO. His next fight was Virgil Hill 43-2, another good opponent, but he had just come off a heavy points loss to the man Roy was still running from - Dariusz Michalczewski. Roy won by KO against a faded 34 year old Hill. Another 10 wins, some decent, some average, some useless, lead to a fight with Clinton Woods 32-1. Woods had beaten Paul Bonson, John Duckworth and Ernie Loveridge, with his sole loss coming to journeyman David Starie, so he was definitely one of Roy's toughest fights. Jones won by knockout. He then fought "Heavyweight" "Champion" John Ruiz. He won the "Heavyweight Championship" Then vacated and ran from the real heavyweights. His fight with Antonio Tarver came next, Tarver 21-1. He was 1-1 with another Jones victim, the decent Eric Harding, and was 1-0 against Griffin, as opposed to Jones 1-1 against Griffin. Tarver had also beaten Tracy Barrios, Boyer Chew, and Roy Francis. Jones won a close fight that could have went either way by a MD decision. They rematched, and Tarver won by KO, giving Roy his second defeat, first according to his many fans who disregarded the DQ loss. Excuses such as going up in weight killed his prime were thrown around, but the reality is, he just lost to a slightly better guy. He rebounded by beating Glenn Johnson 40-9-2, a decent, yet completely overrated fighter and won by KO(I know Roy actually lost this fight!). A rubber match with Tarver went as expected with Tarver's superior boxing skills earning him a points win. Two bums followed, then he fought Felix Trinaded 42-2, but 2-2 in his last four fights. As expected, Jones won against the overrated Trinadad. Then a massive fight with Joe Calzaghe 45-0, both men past their primes, but still a worthy fight. Jones knocked Calzaghe down in R1. But Calzaghe responded with his superior skills and speed to win 11 rounds on the bounce. A win against a journeyan, and the shell of Jeff Lacy followed. Then Roy was knocked out by Danny Green 27-3. Two losses to Markus Beyer and one to Anthony Mundine, and wins over Eni Latu, Joel Bourke and Brad Mayonese, he proved to much for Roy. Roy then fought a rematch with Bernard Hopkins, now in his prime and he took Roy to school, winning an easy decision. Roy then faced Denis Lebedev 21-1. A sole loss to Marko Huck and wins over Berry Butler, Nick Okoth and Dmitry adamovich. Roy was knocked out. Roy then beat 8 journeyman to pad his record before facing Enzo Maccaranelli 40-7, who was well past his best and never any good, yet he splattered Roy all over the canvas to win by KO. Since then Roy has won his last four fights. Vyron Phillips in his one and only fight, Rodney Moore 17-11, Bobby Gunn 21-6 and Scott Sigmon 30-11. All in all Roy was a good boxer, but far from a great one. Haha i like this troll.

Moving up to heavyweight then moving back down ruined him. It was clear as day in that first Tarver fight that he was not the same fighter. He was also 35 when he lost and had been fighting for almost 30 years.

Hes a great fighter but at the same time hes overrated. People saying hes the best fighter of all time lol, who did he actually beat apart from weight drained toney and bucktooth hopkins. He didnt look all that great to me when tarver knocked him out, he wasnt even that old and then suddenly he was 'past prime' How old is Kovalev? Getting knocked out and sh@t? How old was Oscar when he retired? 35 is a normal age when fighters decline, especially athletic fighters like Roy. Almost everyone agrees that he's an ATG fighter so you're way off base here.

This really was a classic troll thread :)

Hes a great fighter but at the same time hes overrated. People saying hes the best fighter of all time lol, who did he actually beat apart from weight drained toney and bucktooth hopkins. He didnt look all that great to me when tarver knocked him out, he wasnt even that old and then suddenly he was 'past prime' Completely agree with you DramaShow. He's an 8.5/10 guy that he's been weirdly elevated into some 10+++/10 guy. I don't get it. Yeah, this past his prime excuse gets used so often on guys. If he won they wouldn't have been saying that.

He was exciting to watch, for sure, but let's analyse his career. He got himself rolling by beating 20 bums to build up a 20-0 record, which is fair enough as is often done. In that run he beat the likes of Ricky Randall, Rollin Pin Williams and and Tony Waddles. Heard of them? Don't worry, neither has anybody else. In his 21st fight he fought the Legend Bernard Hopkins 22-1 for the vacant IBF World title. Roy deservedly won the decision, but this was a pre prime Bernard Hopkins! Hopkins was a late bloomer, a fine wine who aged majestically, at this stage, he was merely a good domestic fighter. He had four further soft touches in his following fights, leading into a big fight against James Toney 44-0-2. Jones got the win on points and deserved it, his second good win of his career. He may have hit top 20 P4P in the world at this stage, but he was nowhere near the elite. He then failed to continue this momentum and fought six more nobodies, before facing Mike Macallum 49-3-1, which might sound like a good name on paper, but at this time, Mike was 40 and completely finished. Roy won again, obviously. Around this time Roy was running and hiding from Dariusz Michalczewski, who he knew he couldn't beat. Instead he faced Montell Griffin 26-0. They both had a victory over James Tony in common, Montell also had wins over Randy McGaugh, Terrence Wright and Tony Golden. It seemed like a really 50-50 on paper and so it proved. In the later rounds, Jones was seemingly 3-4 rounds down on the scorecards, he caught Griffin with a good punch knocking him down to close the deficit, but his frustration in his own performance and self realisation that he's not as good as he though he was, he hit Griffin whilst he was on the floor, suffering his first defeat by DQ. To be fair to Jones, they rematched and he won by first round KO. His next fight was Virgil Hill 43-2, another good opponent, but he had just come off a heavy points loss to the man Roy was still running from - Dariusz Michalczewski. Roy won by KO against a faded 34 year old Hill. Another 10 wins, some decent, some average, some useless, lead to a fight with Clinton Woods 32-1. Woods had beaten Paul Bonson, John Duckworth and Ernie Loveridge, with his sole loss coming to journeyman David Starie, so he was definitely one of Roy's toughest fights. Jones won by knockout. He then fought "Heavyweight" "Champion" John Ruiz. He won the "Heavyweight Championship" Then vacated and ran from the real heavyweights. His fight with Antonio Tarver came next, Tarver 21-1. He was 1-1 with another Jones victim, the decent Eric Harding, and was 1-0 against Griffin, as opposed to Jones 1-1 against Griffin. Tarver had also beaten Tracy Barrios, Boyer Chew, and Roy Francis. Jones won a close fight that could have went either way by a MD decision. They rematched, and Tarver won by KO, giving Roy his second defeat, first according to his many fans who disregarded the DQ loss. Excuses such as going up in weight killed his prime were thrown around, but the reality is, he just lost to a slightly better guy. He rebounded by beating Glenn Johnson 40-9-2, a decent, yet completely overrated fighter and won by KO(I know Roy actually lost this fight!). A rubber match with Tarver went as expected with Tarver's superior boxing skills earning him a points win. Two bums followed, then he fought Felix Trinaded 42-2, but 2-2 in his last four fights. As expected, Jones won against the overrated Trinadad. Then a massive fight with Joe Calzaghe 45-0, both men past their primes, but still a worthy fight. Jones knocked Calzaghe down in R1. But Calzaghe responded with his superior skills and speed to win 11 rounds on the bounce. A win against a journeyan, and the shell of Jeff Lacy followed. Then Roy was knocked out by Danny Green 27-3. Two losses to Markus Beyer and one to Anthony Mundine, and wins over Eni Latu, Joel Bourke and Brad Mayonese, he proved to much for Roy. Roy then fought a rematch with Bernard Hopkins, now in his prime and he took Roy to school, winning an easy decision. Roy then faced Denis Lebedev 21-1. A sole loss to Marko Huck and wins over Berry Butler, Nick Okoth and Dmitry adamovich. Roy was knocked out. Roy then beat 8 journeyman to pad his record before facing Enzo Maccaranelli 40-7, who was well past his best and never any good, yet he splattered Roy all over the canvas to win by KO. Since then Roy has won his last four fights. Vyron Phillips in his one and only fight, Rodney Moore 17-11, Bobby Gunn 21-6 and Scott Sigmon 30-11. All in all Roy was a good boxer, but far from a great one. You’re in the red for a reason. Nobody respects your thoughts, lmao. Yeah Roy was garbage after age 35. His prime was gone before that first Tarver fight.

He was exciting to watch, for sure, but let's analyse his career. He got himself rolling by beating 20 bums to build up a 20-0 record, which is fair enough as is often done. In that run he beat the likes of Ricky Randall, Rollin Pin Williams and and Tony Waddles. Heard of them? Don't worry, neither has anybody else. In his 21st fight he fought the Legend Bernard Hopkins 22-1 for the vacant IBF World title. Roy deservedly won the decision, but this was a pre prime Bernard Hopkins! Hopkins was a late bloomer, a fine wine who aged majestically, at this stage, he was merely a good domestic fighter. He had four further soft touches in his following fights, leading into a big fight against James Toney 44-0-2. Jones got the win on points and deserved it, his second good win of his career. He may have hit top 20 P4P in the world at this stage, but he was nowhere near the elite. He then failed to continue this momentum and fought six more nobodies, before facing Mike Macallum 49-3-1, which might sound like a good name on paper, but at this time, Mike was 40 and completely finished. Roy won again, obviously. Around this time Roy was running and hiding from Dariusz Michalczewski, who he knew he couldn't beat. Instead he faced Montell Griffin 26-0. They both had a victory over James Tony in common, Montell also had wins over Randy McGaugh, Terrence Wright and Tony Golden. It seemed like a really 50-50 on paper and so it proved. In the later rounds, Jones was seemingly 3-4 rounds down on the scorecards, he caught Griffin with a good punch knocking him down to close the deficit, but his frustration in his own performance and self realisation that he's not as good as he though he was, he hit Griffin whilst he was on the floor, suffering his first defeat by DQ. To be fair to Jones, they rematched and he won by first round KO. His next fight was Virgil Hill 43-2, another good opponent, but he had just come off a heavy points loss to the man Roy was still running from - Dariusz Michalczewski. Roy won by KO against a faded 34 year old Hill. Another 10 wins, some decent, some average, some useless, lead to a fight with Clinton Woods 32-1. Woods had beaten Paul Bonson, John Duckworth and Ernie Loveridge, with his sole loss coming to journeyman David Starie, so he was definitely one of Roy's toughest fights. Jones won by knockout. He then fought "Heavyweight" "Champion" John Ruiz. He won the "Heavyweight Championship" Then vacated and ran from the real heavyweights. His fight with Antonio Tarver came next, Tarver 21-1. He was 1-1 with another Jones victim, the decent Eric Harding, and was 1-0 against Griffin, as opposed to Jones 1-1 against Griffin. Tarver had also beaten Tracy Barrios, Boyer Chew, and Roy Francis. Jones won a close fight that could have went either way by a MD decision. They rematched, and Tarver won by KO, giving Roy his second defeat, first according to his many fans who disregarded the DQ loss. Excuses such as going up in weight killed his prime were thrown around, but the reality is, he just lost to a slightly better guy. He rebounded by beating Glenn Johnson 40-9-2, a decent, yet completely overrated fighter and won by KO(I know Roy actually lost this fight!). A rubber match with Tarver went as expected with Tarver's superior boxing skills earning him a points win. Two bums followed, then he fought Felix Trinaded 42-2, but 2-2 in his last four fights. As expected, Jones won against the overrated Trinadad. Then a massive fight with Joe Calzaghe 45-0, both men past their primes, but still a worthy fight. Jones knocked Calzaghe down in R1. But Calzaghe responded with his superior skills and speed to win 11 rounds on the bounce. A win against a journeyan, and the shell of Jeff Lacy followed. Then Roy was knocked out by Danny Green 27-3. Two losses to Markus Beyer and one to Anthony Mundine, and wins over Eni Latu, Joel Bourke and Brad Mayonese, he proved to much for Roy. Roy then fought a rematch with Bernard Hopkins, now in his prime and he took Roy to school, winning an easy decision. Roy then faced Denis Lebedev 21-1. A sole loss to Marko Huck and wins over Berry Butler, Nick Okoth and Dmitry adamovich. Roy was knocked out. Roy then beat 8 journeyman to pad his record before facing Enzo Maccaranelli 40-7, who was well past his best and never any good, yet he splattered Roy all over the canvas to win by KO. Since then Roy has won his last four fights. Vyron Phillips in his one and only fight, Rodney Moore 17-11, Bobby Gunn 21-6 and Scott Sigmon 30-11. All in all Roy was a good boxer, but far from a great one. Shockingly clueless post using that logic Ali is not great either as he lost to Spinks and Berbick when he was old and past it. For me RJJ is the best fighter i have seen since Sugar Ray Leonard had every single atribute you need to be great and one of the most complete fighters that ever laced them up. In my opinion at his peak he was better than better than Floyd and Manny ever were.

he was exciting to watch, for sure, but let's analyse his career. He got himself rolling by beating 20 bums to build up a 20-0 record, which is fair enough as is often done. In that run he beat the likes of ricky randall, rollin pin williams and and tony waddles. Heard of them? Don't worry, neither has anybody else. In his 21st fight he fought the legend bernard hopkins 22-1 for the vacant ibf world title. Roy deservedly won the decision, but this was a pre prime bernard hopkins! Hopkins was a late bloomer, a fine wine who aged majestically, at this stage, he was merely a good domestic fighter. He had four further soft touches in his following fights, leading into a big fight against james toney 44-0-2. Jones got the win on points and deserved it, his second good win of his career. He may have hit top 20 p4p in the world at this stage, but he was nowhere near the elite. He then failed to continue this momentum and fought six more nobodies, before facing mike macallum 49-3-1, which might sound like a good name on paper, but at this time, mike was 40 and completely finished. Roy won again, obviously. Around this time roy was running and hiding from dariusz michalczewski, who he knew he couldn't beat. Instead he faced montell griffin 26-0. They both had a victory over james tony in common, montell also had wins over randy mcgaugh, terrence wright and tony golden. It seemed like a really 50-50 on paper and so it proved. In the later rounds, jones was seemingly 3-4 rounds down on the scorecards, he caught griffin with a good punch knocking him down to close the deficit, but his frustration in his own performance and self realisation that he's not as good as he though he was, he hit griffin whilst he was on the floor, suffering his first defeat by dq. To be fair to jones, they rematched and he won by first round ko. His next fight was virgil hill 43-2, another good opponent, but he had just come off a heavy points loss to the man roy was still running from - dariusz michalczewski. Roy won by ko against a faded 34 year old hill. Another 10 wins, some decent, some average, some useless, lead to a fight with clinton woods 32-1. Woods had beaten paul bonson, john duckworth and ernie loveridge, with his sole loss coming to journeyman david starie, so he was definitely one of roy's toughest fights. Jones won by knockout. He then fought "heavyweight" "champion" john ruiz. He won the "heavyweight championship" then vacated and ran from the real heavyweights. His fight with antonio tarver came next, tarver 21-1. He was 1-1 with another jones victim, the decent eric harding, and was 1-0 against griffin, as opposed to jones 1-1 against griffin. Tarver had also beaten tracy barrios, boyer chew, and roy francis. Jones won a close fight that could have went either way by a md decision. They rematched, and tarver won by ko, giving roy his second defeat, first according to his many fans who disregarded the dq loss. Excuses such as going up in weight killed his prime were thrown around, but the reality is, he just lost to a slightly better guy. He rebounded by beating glenn johnson 40-9-2, a decent, yet completely overrated fighter and won by ko(i know roy actually lost this fight!). A rubber match with tarver went as expected with tarver's superior boxing skills earning him a points win. Two bums followed, then he fought felix trinaded 42-2, but 2-2 in his last four fights. As expected, jones won against the overrated trinadad. Then a massive fight with joe calzaghe 45-0, both men past their primes, but still a worthy fight. Jones knocked calzaghe down in r1. But calzaghe responded with his superior skills and speed to win 11 rounds on the bounce. A win against a journeyan, and the shell of jeff lacy followed. Then roy was knocked out by danny green 27-3. Two losses to markus beyer and one to anthony mundine, and wins over eni latu, joel bourke and brad mayonese, he proved to much for roy. Roy then fought a rematch with bernard hopkins, now in his prime and he took roy to school, winning an easy decision. Roy then faced denis lebedev 21-1. A sole loss to marko huck and wins over berry butler, nick okoth and dmitry adamovich. Roy was knocked out. Roy then beat 8 journeyman to pad his record before facing enzo maccaranelli 40-7, who was well past his best and never any good, yet he splattered roy all over the canvas to win by ko. Since then roy has won his last four fights. Vyron phillips in his one and only fight, rodney moore 17-11, bobby gunn 21-6 and scott sigmon 30-11. All in all roy was a good boxer, but far from a great one. tl;dr ydksab.

I don't get why Roy fans are so protective of him. It's not like he ever did anything for any of you all, except provide a bit of entertainment. Sure, he was a top 20 P4P in his day. But this constant hyping him as one of the best ever is insane. He's very quick, quite skilled, no chin and a cherry picker. Deal with it. There's at least ten people fighting now, that are better than he ever was. So quit sucking his dick and live your lives you boring bunch of *****es.