Hatman: Wilder ducked Klitschko...

Hatman is correct Wilder without doubt ducked Wlad Klitchko. If Deontay is already well over 30 fights into his career, unbeaten, knocked everybody out and is a world champion and his manager calls him a baby in the sport and there is no rush then there isnt a more clear duck than that. If we can call Joshua a coward and a ducker for not wanting to stay up all night to watch a load of mismatches then we can call Wilder a ducker for straight up refusing to fight Wlad. Finkel didnt even try to hide that one. He called his over 30 fight world champion a baby and not ready. There is no misconception there, we havent read that wrong, we dont need to read between the lines. Its a duck, plain as day, in your face duck. Yeah, clear as day. Funny that his career was basically rushed fighting 7 bums a year.

Finkel retired as Klitschko manager around 2008. He was frozen out making the Joshua fight because Hearn knew he was a pain in the ass. What does Haye have to do with the Joshua or Wilder fights? you know I looked up an article and indeed Finkell did retire from boxing management in 2010 I was about to admit I was wrong but at the end it said: While Finkel will shed his management contracts, he said he would continue to act in an advisory role to heavyweight champions Wladimir Klitschko and Vitali Klitschko, with whom he has worked for several years. my understanding is his position had nothing to do with bonte who works for K2 promoting like de la hoya and schaefer also probably the only person I would trust less than finkell would be hearn. Either way as a business manager/advisor he should not be involved in fights contract- it's against the ALI act, seems his position is more important in wilders career than wlads, according to the potentially corrupt hearn :) then again maybe its not , maybe Lou Debella has a far better position and eddie cant admit it

You're missing the point. When Tyson Fury was 22 no one gave a ***** about who he called out anymore than anyone would give a **** if I called out Floyd Mayweather Jr. Its easy to make call outs when you're irrelevant. But I gave Fury credit for backing up his talk. All that goes out the window when you have an undisputed champion in a division.... a recognised #1. When a young fighter comes through and his goal is to beat that #1.... then he beats him in his backyard..... that means something. That goes for everyone just starting out.... any boxer that aims to beat THE MAN in the division.

Good on Tyson Fury for using Klitchko's name to make him relevant when he wasn't and then backing up the talk by signing the contract and winning the fight. And he even signed to fight Haye twice and lost 1 year of his career...... Fury just keep on using people to make a name for himself.... shameful!

Hatman is clueless

Can’t force someone to fight you. Him trying to get a Parker fight is documented, Parker is on record about having talks, Parker was at his Washington match. Parker didn’t want the fight. Him trying to get a Joshua fight is documented. him trying to get a Fury fight is documented and Fury is a true champion. Fury is taking the challenge and everyone is calling him stupid for taking a risk: Nope it’s not well documented, saying I want a fight doesn’t mean the fight falls on your lap. You go out there and make offers, what offers were made to Parker when he was a champion? Fury is being cherrypicked and on the face of it he isn’t ready, Wilder would never ever take a fight like this one if he was Fury. Just because he is fighting Wilder at his weakest = He is a true champion. Nah if he was fighting Wilder at his best then he is a true champion.

My **** kid! Look **** up before you run that mouth, you clearly need to. :lol1: Fury became the mando way before August of 2015. He was Mando early in the year...I think it was Feb but it may be best to look that up if you want a firm date. That doesn't have anything to do with Wilder pursuing Wlad....like at all. Mandos can be pushed aside for uni's. That's why Wlad's answer isn't "I'm fighting Fury" it is " Wilder needs a better resume". Not "After Fury" either but rather "Wilder needs a resume" Wilder also tried to get in the way of Fury becoming mando but Peter was having none of that. Wlad's own manager Finkel said Wilder isn't ready is just as true as Wilder's manager. Just because you don't know a ****ing thing outside of what Eddie has told you doesn't make it true. Wlad said he didn't want Wilder yet. Wilder said he did want Wlad. The man in the middle sided with his long term investment over his new one. You can tell me all about how Shelly was Wilder's manager a thousand times over it doesn't change a ****ing thing. Wlad was the only one shying away from that fight. It's funny how you lie, get shown it's nothing short of a lie, then drop your argument to rehash your previous point.....you going to admit you were mistaken about Finkel's connection to Wlad during the Fury fight or are we just going to pretend you didn't get your ass handed to you? Another thing to note: Wlad was pretty famous for only fighting mandatories. He didn’t give Voluntaries. All the Klit fans would say “if you want Wlad, become a mandatory!” So it’s not like Wlad was going to fight Wilder anyways. Wlad knew he was on his way out. He hadn’t knocked anyone down in years. AJ fans talk like Wlad had lead fists because he knocked down their boy, but he hadn’t put anyone on their back since Pulev four years earlier. And Fury was WBA mandatory and WBO mandatory before Wlad stopped ducking Tyson.

Nothing is ever Wilder fault, again he had the belt since 2015 and he never once unified. Those are facts, you can blame all his rivals from heaven to earth but those are facts. Can’t force someone to fight you. Him trying to get a Parker fight is documented, Parker is on record about having talks, Parker was at his Washington match. Parker didn’t want the fight. Him trying to get a Joshua fight is documented. him trying to get a Fury fight is documented and Fury is a true champion. Fury is taking the challenge and everyone is calling him stupid for taking a risk:

Wilder did make an offer to Parker. Wilder had a fight lined up with Parker. Parker was at the Wilder/Washington fight. Suddenly a mandatory became more important than a unification, Parker fought Fury and then Arum/Parker decided there was more money and less risk to fighting AJ. I don't blame Parker for that, but it's foolish to blame Wilder for it. Nothing is ever Wilder fault, again he had the belt since 2015 and he never once unified. Those are facts, you can blame all his rivals from heaven to earth but those are facts.

Well to be fair the guy in the video isn't being entirely honest. 33-0 and a champion but still a prospect???? Yes. Deontay Wilder did not really have an amateur career so you have to consider the long string of low quality opponents to play the same developmental role that they missed out with the amateurs. Its not really all that unheard of. Plenty of other fighters do that especially guys from Latin America. I'll give you an example, Saul Canelo Alvarez currently has a record of 50-1-2 and sits at or near the top of most p4p lists. When he was 33-0 he had still not reached the point where he was fighting monsters like Alfonso Gomez or Matthew Hatton. He didn't fight a legit top level guy until he brought a 41-0 record into the fight with Austin Trout. So I don't have a problem with them not thinking Wilder was ready when he was only 33-0. His lack of an amateur background made him much less experienced than your typical 33-0 fighter. Tyson Fury had 35 amateur fights and was calling out Klitschko when he was 22.... he chased him for 5 years and only wanted to fight the #1 guy in the division. You're seriously deflecting here. Wilder is a 10 year pro with only one good (questionable) win on his record. Shameful.

edit :Finkel wasn't Klitschko manager it was Bonte in 2015 , you don't know that because you don't follow timelines because you don't follow the current times. It's why Finkel would never had let Wilder fight him , we know this because he said it, it's why Wlad fought Joshua . you need to follow timelines yourself, I remember finkel being involved in the wlad v haye negotiations, finkell has been there for ages as a business manager of some type, I think Bonte is more promotion based.

They contradict themselves multiple time, I never thought Wilder challenged himself or wanted to. In the video posted he talked about “They would come and see him in America” because he has the WBC belt. He or his team never wanted to fight Wlad, they went after Bermane because he was safe just like Joshua went after Martin. It was the easier champion to try and get that belt off on paper. Difference is Joshua has gone on to unify his belt. In those years I thought Wilder could have, why he never fought Martin is still a mystery to me. The day Martin won the IBF belt was on the same card as Wilder. Why not make that fight thereafter and then Wilder would have two belts, why not make Parker an offer and take that belt off him. Instead we had Arreola, Washington, Molina etc and these mongs want to talk about the guy that actually did in half the fights too. Wilder did make an offer to Parker. Wilder had a fight lined up with Parker. Parker was at the Wilder/Washington fight. Suddenly a mandatory became more important than a unification, Parker fought Fury and then Arum/Parker decided there was more money and less risk to fighting AJ. I don't blame Parker for that, but it's foolish to blame Wilder for it.

"Let them train to be a fighter and fight (Deontay) Wilder," Joshua told AP. "It's easy talking about it. It's another thing doing." "Let them train to be a fighter and fight (Deontay) Wilder," Joshua told AP. "It's easy talking about it. It's another thing doing." "Let them train to be a fighter and fight (Deontay) Wilder," Joshua told AP. "It's easy talking about it. It's another thing doing."

I understand Wilder didn't exactly line up with Klitschko but the reason why Joshua fought him was Finkel wasn't going to let Wilder take a Wlad fight. Not until the fight was made did Wilder speak out about Wlad ducking him, typical Wilder behaviour i can't stand this guy. Ha Wilder did slow his career down waiting out the Klitschko brothers to leave so that is avoiding guys. They contradict themselves multiple time, I never thought Wilder challenged himself or wanted to. In the video posted he talked about “They would come and see him in America” because he has the WBC belt. He or his team never wanted to fight Wlad, they went after Bermane because he was safe just like Joshua went after Martin. It was the easier champion to try and get that belt off on paper. Difference is Joshua has gone on to unify his belt. In those years I thought Wilder could have, why he never fought Martin is still a mystery to me. The day Martin won the IBF belt was on the same card as Wilder. Why not make that fight thereafter and then Wilder would have two belts, why not make Parker an offer and take that belt off him. Instead we had Arreola, Washington, Molina etc and these mongs want to talk about the guy that actually did in half the fights too.

You can't accuse anyone of being a moron, you prove that to be you time and again in here. The videos aren't even in the same time frame, one is after Wilder won the belt and it's also showing he doesn't want the fight because he states he won't fight Klitschko until a year which is ironic considering he expected Joshua to fight him as soon as he was called out ? The difference here is Wilder was sent a contract. Klitschko wasn't talking about himself he was talking about Wilder needing to step it up, he was already involved with Fury . This was Klitschko clearly pointing out how bad Wilder s resume is because it was.lead stated he wanted The Wilder fight before he fought Jennings again it helps to.know what you're talking about , you seem to have difficulties in this area. Finkel wasn't Klitschko manager it was Bustamante in 2015 , you don't know that because you don't follow timelines because you don't follow the current times. These Wilder fanatics thinks everyone is like them, they think most boxing fans have their deluded self entitlement mentality. How anyone can defend Wilder own manager comments is beyond belief. You got to be a fanboy to even try to. Trying to twist words and making excuses for a beltholder that held the belt from 2015 and never fought the other champ is ridiculous. Not only that but he never unified that belt once. He basically held it hostage as a bargaining chip. No different to what other champions do from every other country and they get call out and ridiculed for it.

Hatman is correct Wilder without doubt ducked Wlad Klitchko. If Deontay is already well over 30 fights into his career, unbeaten, knocked everybody out and is a world champion and his manager calls him a baby in the sport and there is no rush then there isnt a more clear duck than that. If we can call Joshua a coward and a ducker for not wanting to stay up all night to watch a load of mismatches then we can call Wilder a ducker for straight up refusing to fight Wlad. Finkel didnt even try to hide that one. He called his over 30 fight world champion a baby and not ready. There is no misconception there, we havent read that wrong, we dont need to read between the lines. Its a duck, plain as day, in your face duck.

Guys, Didn't you notice your points are now in thousands, not in hundreds of millions, billions, trillions...? Mine too. What happened?

Wilder was a cherry picker champion back then. Doesn't everybody know that? They should if they study his record. This guy speaks the truth in my opinion.

You should shut up and pay your debt you bet welching dumb ass. You're not even supposed to be here right now. Give me all of your points, change your sig, and accept the permanent ban that we agreed on. Thanks. My posts finally got you to quit hiding in your thread :lol1: You owe me you welching *****. Pay up

:lol1: Somehow this changes the fact AJ is ducking Wilder?