Deontay Wilder chasing Mayweather's record

Easily doable, if he keeps to the diet of mediocre HW's from just that side of his promotional outfit (PBC) then he can do it. If Top rank Fury fights him then i see Wilder losing again (This time they would probably give Fury the decision - like they did Lewis against Holyfield).

I understand, with how shhty his opponents were yea you can say it was his first step up with Harrison. My goodness he’s fought some quite shhty opponents. But what do we expect in this era of heavyweight boxing. Unfortunately, the top heavyweights have set a precedent that being 6ft 6+ means that all you really need one strong attribute to be successful. Wilder, his right hand. Fury, good boxing IQ. Joshua, good power. Ruiz, fantastic speed. (Not 6ft 6+, I know but he's considered a top HW). There isn't really a complete article out there but I've banged the drum so many times that its pointless to compare historical fighters because the only reality is, if someone like Lewis or Tyson fought Wilder of Fury, they would get steamrolled. Edit: Dubois and Kownacki are great prospects. They will be a World Champions, one day.

Let me know if he catches up to Chavez' record of 89 wins and 0 loses

58-0, clearly the lead for the 0 if we're going to count drawn fighters. The record is for unbeaten and untied. Jimmy Barry had draws. That said, Wilder's a drawn fighter. How can he even be in the race for Marciano or Mayweather's record? Wilder can't be in the race for a record that pertains to unbeaten and untied. You are correct.

- -Thought he was TUE 51-0 after the demolition of debut Banty Tenshin. That's Two Debutantes he put down in a ferocity unmatched in boxing history!!! Ya musta forgot??? Exhibitions obviously don't count on the official pro record. Dummy.

That is nonsense though, you are basically giving somebody more credit for retiring and not boxing. So Chavez could've retired at 60-0, 70-0, 80-0 and would have much superior record, but didnt and cause he was like 100-2 at one time or whatever this is somehow bad in the modern times lol It is all nonsense though I believe because, really it matters championship level fighting and floyd is right up there as much as any great, that's the real substance. And when you have between 20-30 championship or very high level fights even without a title, that really is like the records back in the day with guys like archie moore You see it doesnt really matter with Moores 200 fights I think some crazy number like that, he still only had 2 title fights a year the other fights were shorter non title fights against lesser compeition, basically the high level guys dont do that today but they do however have long training camps with top pros doing rounds with them all the way through, Similar really, they make more from the promotion than fitting in lesser fights for low money So its all about substance not numbers and not even a loss or draw here or there matters, with that many title fights everybody looses and floyd already did but it was scored incorrectly its not nonesense..it simply is what it is...no need to complicate it

It is a record. No champion has ever finished a career undefeated and untied with a better record than 50-0. - -Thought he was TUE 51-0 after the demolition of debut Banty Tenshin. That's Two Debutantes he put down in a ferocity unmatched in boxing history!!! Ya musta forgot???

Audrey Harrison is his first “big fight”. GTFOH. Audley Harrison is a garbage fighter. Out of all of Wilders fights. His ONLY credible opponent is Fury, first Ortiz fight , and maybe you can add the first Stiverne fight. And he pretty much lost to Fury and in the original Ortiz fight he was just about stopped. So him chasing any record should be laughed at just as hard as we laugh at 98% of his opponents. I think you misunderstand what I meant. I didn't mean that Audley Harrison was the first big fighter he faced, but compared to the previous 27 fights before that, Audley Harrison was a small step up in calibre.

That is nonsense though, you are basically giving somebody more credit for retiring and not boxing. So Chavez could've retired at 60-0, 70-0, 80-0 and would have much superior record, but didnt and cause he was like 100-2 at one time or whatever this is somehow bad in the modern times lol It is all nonsense though I believe because, really it matters championship level fighting and floyd is right up there as much as any great, that's the real substance. And when you have between 20-30 championship or very high level fights even without a title, that really is like the records back in the day with guys like archie moore You see it doesnt really matter with Moores 200 fights I think some crazy number like that, he still only had 2 title fights a year the other fights were shorter non title fights against lesser compeition, basically the high level guys dont do that today but they do however have long training camps with top pros doing rounds with them all the way through, Similar really, they make more from the promotion than fitting in lesser fights for low money So its all about substance not numbers and not even a loss or draw here or there matters, with that many title fights everybody looses and floyd already did but it was scored incorrectly I'm just explaining what the record is. It exists and Floyd has it. When Marciano had it people made a bigger deal about it. Now that Floyd has it they want to minimize it. But it doesn't work that way. The numbers are what the numbers are

It is a record. No champion has ever finished a career undefeated and untied with a better record than 50-0. Is Fraud Runweather dead?

I don’t even like Floyd Mayweather and find this to be absolutely insane. If Mayweather had retired after beating Diego Corrales who would have a better resume than wilder. He gets minus points for the latter part of his career.

It is a record. No champion has ever finished a career undefeated and untied with a better record than 50-0. That is nonsense though, you are basically giving somebody more credit for retiring and not boxing. So Chavez could've retired at 60-0, 70-0, 80-0 and would have much superior record, but didnt and cause he was like 100-2 at one time or whatever this is somehow bad in the modern times lol It is all nonsense though I believe because, really it matters championship level fighting and floyd is right up there as much as any great, that's the real substance. And when you have between 20-30 championship or very high level fights even without a title, that really is like the records back in the day with guys like archie moore You see it doesnt really matter with Moores 200 fights I think some crazy number like that, he still only had 2 title fights a year the other fights were shorter non title fights against lesser compeition, basically the high level guys dont do that today but they do however have long training camps with top pros doing rounds with them all the way through, Similar really, they make more from the promotion than fitting in lesser fights for low money So its all about substance not numbers and not even a loss or draw here or there matters, with that many title fights everybody looses and floyd already did but it was scored incorrectly

I think there is a group of fans that do think 50-0 is some kind of record. As diehard , knowledgeable boxing fans, we know this isn't the case. If Wilder and Floyd can use 50-0 to generate interest among casuals, so be it. It is a record. No champion has ever finished a career undefeated and untied with a better record than 50-0.

Wilder's record is already superior. Floyd ducked a lot of prime fighters and cherry picked old past their prime fighter.

The Connor mcgregor fight taints it. I can agree

What I thought everyone retired fighting someone who was debuting in a cross over circus match? Isn't that how you properly pass the torch? Apparently that’s how records are broken. Tbh, I’m not sure how it got sanctioned as a boxing match. Oh well...”50-0 doe”.

For one thing, he will still have the draw on his record, so it will never be quite perfect. For another, 50-0 is not the benchmark for greatness. It's what you did inside of those wins that counts. Floyd's 50-0 is smoke and mirrors, flash before substance. If Wilder goes 50-0-1, it's an even bigger joke since he competes in the worst HW era of all time! On a P4P basis, his skills are dreadful. In any other era, Wilder would be just another one-trick pony with a long string of KO losses.

A Record that nobody cares about besides Mayweather :lol1:

The Connor mcgregor fight taints it. What I thought everyone retired fighting someone who was debuting in a cross over circus match? Isn't that how you properly pass the torch?

how do they get those numbers... Points are redistributed by every bout. No points come in or get out of the system by this basic rating process But points get out of the system by career end, by point reductions due to inactivity or missing opponent quality So additional points must be fed into the system - 0.01 points, when a boxer wins a bout - 0.1 points, when a boxer defeats an opponent, who already won a bout within 18 months - 1 point, when a boxer defeats an opponent, who already won a bout against a winning opponent within 18 months - when defeating an opponent within the top 15 percent of all active boxers, who already defeated an opponent within the top 15 percent of all active boxers (top 15 percent limit 2019: men = 4.89 points, women = 1.87 points) -- 8 points at least -- as much points as the defeated opponent had before the bout -- 40 points at most -- with weight = 1, when the opponent had no loss after his top win, with weight = 1/2 after 1 loss, with weight = 1/4 after 2 losses etc -- with weight = 1 within 18 months after the opponents top bout, with weight = 1/2 thereafter and decreasing by a factor of 1/2 per another 18 months - all with weight = cd * v; cd = clear decision factor and v = bout value Every boxer gets a first rating of 0 before his first bout. After every bout, the ratings of the two boxers involved are changed depending on the bout's official result (KO, TKO, RTD, UD, PTS, NWS, MD, SD, DQ, TD, DRAW). The value of a result varies between v=1 and v=0. The clear decision factor varies between cd=1 and cd=0. The winner cannot lose points for KO, TKO, RTD, DQ, TD and decisions on points with cd=1 KO, TKO, RTD are rewarded with full value v=1, cd=1. NWS is rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=1. UD, PTS, DQ, TD are rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed, clear decision factor cd=1. If the score cards are available, it may be less. MD, SD are rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor is limited to cd=0.5. If the score cards are available cd may be less. DRAW is rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=0. If the score cards are available, the value rewarded is in direct proportion to the rounds boxed, with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more. The clear decision factor is in proportion to rounds boxed and the mean score difference per judge. cd=1 for a mean score difference per judge of 50% of the rounds boxed. All bouts are regarded to have the same weight independent of titles. The winner gets a certain part of the opponent's points and a certain part of the rating difference to the opponent's rating. For a DRAW the rating of the higher rated boxer is reduced by some part of the point difference; the rating of the lower rated boxer is enhanced by the same amount of points. The full relative point reward is 33%. It is in direct proportion to the pre-bout rating of the defeated opponent. The rating of a boxer is reduced, if he didn't box an opponent with a rating of at least 50% of his own rating points within 18 months. The rating of a boxer is reduced by up to 50% in proportion to the difference of 2 times the rating points of his best opponent in this time period minus his own rating The reduction is in proportion to the time the requirement was missed. The rating of a boxer is reduced by 50% for every time period of inactivity of 18 months - and to even less in proportion to a longer time period of inactivity The pre-bout rating of a successfully debuting boxer is set to 25% of his opponents pre-bout rating. The rating points are in relation to a weight division. The rating points are converted with the cube of the upper weight limit ratio of the old and new weight division. The winner is always rated higher than the loser. the minimum margin is: mean pre-bout ratings of both r_m = (r_a + r_b)/2; r_new_winner = r_m + earn_f*v*cd/4; r_new_loser= r_m - earn_f*v*cd/4 Formula If a boxer with a rating of r_a before the fight defeats a boxer b with a rating of r_b before the fight with result of value v, clear decision factor cd, the new regular ratings r_a_new and r_b_new after a fight are: earn = 1/3 * v * (r_b*cd + (r_b-r_a)/(1+2*cd)); r_a_new = r_a + earn_a r_b_new = r_b - earn_b The winner gets additional points. Rating reduction caused by missing opponent quality: career_top_rating = highest career rating adapted to bout division days = days between bout with best opponent before and bout with best opponent after reduction r_red-career_top_rating/10 = (r_old-career_top_rating/10) * (1 - 0.5*(1 - 2*best_opp/r_old))**(days/(365.24*1.5))