The real question is what happens when McGregor gets hit in the temple. Or the body.
Watching both Diaz fights reveals why Floyd was talking a lot today about being able to take what you give. And Diaz is no Floyd.
i dont do this for a living he does..canelo naturally has a good fighting instinct..
floyd negated that mentally
In your first comment, you wrote, "he just didnt have a counter or even reflex instinct." Now you write Canelo "has a good fighting instinct." Which one is it?
Logic dictates that Canelo didn't take advantage of those "30 missed opportunities" you spotted because they didn't actually exist, but who needs logic when you're a keyboard warrior?
Weight Classes exist for a REASON!.
Indeed they do. So are you ready to admit that it would be healthiest for Canelo, who came into the ring as a super middleweight last night and as a light heavyweight in the Trout fight, to stop fighting at 154 and finally move up to 160?
This isn't about 1-2 pounds here. Guys are walking around two and three weight classes above where they fight and they can't have it both ways. If you want to cut 20+ pounds to come in bigger than your opponents, you have no right to complain about the effects of rapid weight loss and dehydration.
It's clear that 160 would be a much more comfortable and appropriate weight for Canelo. Let's see him challenge there.
He actually could of won the fight if he sold out with a mauling style.
No, he couldn't have won the fight with a mauling style.
Canelo has never fought this way. It's not in his nature, and he doesn't have the stamina to sustain it. Canelo was tired enough on Saturday; if he had tried to maul Floyd, he would have gassed completely and likely been KO'd.
The truth is that up until the Floyd fight, Canelo had been able to win by coming in larger than the competition, pacing himself and hurting his smaller opponents with a relatively modest volume of body shots.
That approach doesn't work against a fighter with superior movement who is not going to sit there and let you get off clean combinations to the body.
Ortiz was not incredibly effective against Floyd and in the end, he paid dearly for his lack of focus, but he was able to sustain some semblance of an attack because he had stamina.
Unlike Canelo, Ortiz is well-conditioned. He's actually completed triathlons, so he not only had a size advantage, he had the cardiovascular base to actually try to apply it. Additionally, you can't undervalue the fact that when Ortiz entered the ring against Floyd, he didn't have the mental burden of knowing that he'd tire mid-fight.
As I pointed out repeatedly before September 14, Canelo has been plagued by poor stamina (this wasn't something that just emerged in the Trout fight) and if you watch Mayweather-Canelo again, you'll see the usual signs of Canelo's poor conditioning. So it's no surprise that he was unable to sustain any meaningful effort.
This sport is called boxing, not brawling or even fighting, for a reason.
If you can't appreciate the application of intelligence and skill to the sport, and just want to see two idiots taking turns punching each other in the face until one of them is knocked on the floor, take your $75 down to the seediest local bar next weekend and chances are you'll get what you're looking for.
And if you want to stop selling yourself short, maybe one day you'll join in on the action. I doubt you'll do it, but once you've actually been hit in the face a few times, chances are you'll develop a better understanding of why most elite fighters respect their opponents, strategize and don't just throw caution to the wind.
if you re watch the fight canelo had 30 missed opportunities for floyd but he had no idea how to pull the trigger he just didnt have a counter or even reflex instinct
So when are you fighting Floyd?
Way too soon for him
I don't want to see it, he needs a win at 147 first over a credible opponent, Yes he did his thing at 140, but Lucas and Zab are not 147 boxers
Garcia vs The Ghost would be a good fight, we can see him handle one of Floyds recent opponents
I think what you're saying makes sense, but I don't think it's going to make a difference. I'd personally expect Garcia to beat Guerrero, but if he does, and in convincing fashion, then what? It's not going to mean that Garcia has a better shot against Floyd.
Floyd's challenge now is that he proved to the casual fans that he's the best. To these fans, Canelo was seen as the most likely candidate to hand Mayweather his first loss. Canelo is young, strong, physically bigger than Floyd, and, in the eyes of some, a smarter and better skilled fighter than past Floyd opponents. And it didn't make an ounce of difference.
Mitchell, despite coming to boxing late, almost certainly trains harder than Arreola ("I could always find a reason not to go to the gym"). So it's a bit hypocritical for Arreola to suggest that he's any more a real boxer than Mitchell.
So let me get this straight. There's constant whining here about "boring" boxers who refuse to take unnecessary punishment and brawl, but when a guy loses focus, chooses not to protect himself, and gets KTFO by a legal punch, it's a travesty?
If you prefer tomato cans to fighters like Rigondeaux and Mayweather, that's fine. But it's hypocritical to complain about the lack of more "exciting" (read: brutal) fights and then cry when a fighter takes advantage of an opponent's mental or physical weakness to score a legal knockout.
You can't have it both ways. If boxing is a fight sport, it's ridiculous to criticize a boxer who chose to fight instead of kiss and hug.
The only two facts that are worth paying attention to:
The scores at the time of the stoppage.
The round in which the word "disqualification"/"disqualify" was first uttered.
Even if you favored one fighter over the other, it's hard to avoid coming to the conclusion that what transpired tonight was shameful.
I'm glad they made the fight, but I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed the morning of May 3.
It wouldn't be fair to write Pacquiao off given his past accomplishments but Pacquiao's recent fights don't bode well for his prospects against Mayweather. Since being knocked out cold by Marquez, two of Pacquiao's three fights have been against thoroughly outclassed opposition. The Rios fight was a joke, and the fight against Algieri was a total comedy. Algieri, who Pacquiao couldn't even finish, is not exactly the ideal Mayweather warm-up.
Mayweather, while clearly slowing a bit as he ages, has faced much better opposition in recent fights. He made Canelo Alvarez, a much larger fighter considered by many to be one of the best young fighters in the sport, look like an amateur, and he beat a game Marcos Maidana twice.
While I expect Pacquiao to be well-prepared for this fight, I think the generally poor quality of Pacquiao's recent opposition and Mayweather's much lower level of wear and tear will give Mayweather significant advantages.
Most importantly, Pacquiao's success as an elite fighter has always been tied to his explosiveness, and a lot of the people who see him beating Floyd see him beating Floyd by KO. But Manny hasn't scored a knockout since 2009.
Floyd, on the other hand, has never been knocked out, and only hurt on a few occasions. Despite the fact that he isn't moving the way he did 10 fights ago, Floyd has proven in recent fights that he's still a great boxer, so I think it's much more likely that he's able to execute a winning strategy than Pacquiao, who basically needs to do something he hasn't been able to do in years.
Mayweather by UD, but if Pacquiao gets wild and makes mistakes, as he's proven prone to do, don't be surprised if a motivated Mayweather sends him to the canvas.
I'm confused. If the 170 pound-plus McGregor was as powerful a puncher as he and posters like you said he was, why didn't that uppercut knock Floyd's unconscious head off the canvas?
Conor can't take it as well as he can give it and when Floyd took him into deep water, Mystic Mac didn't have any magic.
As Floyd said during the press tour, "They say if you quit once, you'll quit twice. But three times? Oh, man."
Stamina was the culprit not Floyd.
Conor signed up for a 12 round fight. He told the world he'd end it in the first few rounds. If he did what he said he was going to do, he wouldn't have gassed.
Floyd did exactly what he said he was going to do. He knew that Conor was overestimating his ability to hurt him and wouldn't be able to last.
Conor walked into Floyd's trap and still doesn't realize what happened.
Easy work.
What?.. As long as Floyd doesn't stop Manny, I can see him having A LOT of problems with Manny's speed, power, and angles. I think he could beat Floyd up some, if not stop him. If Mosley can hurt Floyd the way he did, I think Manny can do the same. I also think Manny would be capable of following through, and possibly stopping Floyd. Mind you, I think a healthy Manny could do that...and if he's still capable of what he has been only recently. I can see Floyd winning on points(if not, again, scoring a stoppage), but I'd bet that Manny would give him issues if what I said before about him would be the case. I'm not trying to belittle Floyd, so don't be hurting inside any... Floyd is an awesome fighter, no doubt. I think I spoke with logic, and I'd be willing to place a bet. Though, I'm just not sure Floyd would take the fight...the new "condition" doesn't look like will let the fight happen(have Manny fight for his company). :sad:
Mayweather has never officially been knocked down. Pacquiao has been knocked down a number of times, and he was knocked out cold by a single punch from a fighter that Mayweather practically shut out. Since Mayweather so easily beat Marquez, and Pacquiao struggled and failed to put Marquez away in four fights, I think Mayweather would give Pacquiao a lot of problems.
See how easy it is to twist logic to justify what you want to happen in a fight?
Jay Z should just stick to the music business because it seems as if he's purposely trying to lose money in the boxing business.
The best way to make a small fortune in boxing is to start with a large fortune.
Hopkins will hide behind Goldenboy and Showtime. He will never man up and take his ass whooping from either of them.
Hopkins has made a career of fighting and defeating guys who were supposed to beat him. And even in defeat, he's never been whooped.
What have you done lately?
Hopkins is very crafty but Stevenson will not fight Hopkins the same way he fought Fonfara tonight. He will simply box more and rely less on the power.
This is foolishness.
Stevenson is a good boxer, but power is a huge part of his game. If he makes a conscious effort to de-emphasize his power and try to outbox the most experienced boxer he has ever faced, Bernard will easily control the pace of the fight and make Stevenson look like an amateur.
The biggest concern for Stevenson going into a Hopkins fight is his conditioning. He gassed out tonight. Period. Fonfara fought the best fight of his career, but he didn't take it out of Stevenson. Stevenson simply didn't have it in the tank to begin with.
In his 4 fights last year, Stevenson never went more than 7 rounds and I believe he's only been 12 rounds twice in his career (including tonight's fight). If he's going to beat Bernard and not bank on a knockout, Stevenson is going to have to be in condition to fight 15 rounds because Bernard wears you down mentally, not just physically.
In my opinion the fight tonight raised serious questions about Stevenson's conditioning that we never had to ask before when he was knocking guys out halfway through the fight or earlier.
Stevenson arguably took more punishment in this one fight than Bernard has taken in the past decade. And Bernard has never been as fatigued as Stevenson was tonight.
Stevenson is a likable fighter and he'll always have a puncher's chance, but all of the fans who seemed to be banking on the notion that Stevenson would walk right through Hopkins should be reconsidering that based on what Fonfara was able to do. Fonfara deserves a ton of respect for his performance, but Hopkins is on a different level and he won't allow Stevenson to hit him with some of the punches Stevenson was able to land on Fonfara consistently tonight.
If the Hopkins fight gets made (Stevenson wasn't exactly begging for it when Jim Gray asked), you can be sure that Stevenson's failure to knock Fonfara out and his inability to go 12 rounds without gassing out will weigh heavily on his mind. Bernard Hopkins feasts on that sort of doubt before the opening bell rings.
Some of Roach's statements are really questionable and I hope Manny doesn't actually believe the hype.
Is Floyd the same fighter physically as he was when he was 25? Of course not. But even at 38, Floyd is able to move better than most professional fighters and this idea that his legs are shot is just silly. Manny absolutely needs to pressure Floyd and try to force him to fight at an uncomfortable pace, but if Manny enters the ring believing that Floyd has no legs, he's in for a surprise. Ironically, given his history of leg cramps, Manny should probably worry more about his own legs.
The big question for Pacquiao is "What is Plan B?" Pacquiao hasn't knocked an opponent out since 2009 and couldn't even finish Chris Algieri. Mayweather has only been hurt a handful of times in his career and has never been knocked out. He's the naturally bigger fighter here so if Pacquiao's overwhelm-and-finish strategy doesn't pan out early, Pacquiao is going to be in a world of trouble. Pacquiao makes a lot of mistakes and Marquez showed that Pacquiao is particularly vulnerable to the kind of well-placed counters a technician like Floyd is going to be looking for once he gets Manny's timing down.
This is boxing and anything can happen, but the talk around this fight reminds me a lot of the talk before the Mayweather-Canelo fight. Canelo, who had a significant weight advantage Pacquiao won't have, was supposed to come in and overwhelm Floyd and we all know what happened. It's easy for fighters and their trainers to come up with a strategy to beat Floyd but they forget that he punches back.
But as boxing viewers we well always criticize this kind of performances specially from someone who's on top of the P4P list and producing such a S H I T fight against someone in Edwin's caliber. And I laugh if you don't think this was hand picked opponent. It was a win but nothing to be proud about so get the fck out
If you're going to appoint yourself the representative of "boxing viewers" everywhere, please learn proper grammar. Reading a keyboard warrior's flawed criticism of a world champion fighter is difficult enough. Having to read sentences that border on incoherent makes the exercise downright painful.
GGG displayed a great fight tonight but Macklin is no Sergio and we all know this. Sergio is a pure boxer and will counter GGG all day even though Sergio will definitely get knocked down he will still win coming off of the canvis. GGG is too slow for Sergio. He would get countered and frustrated all night.
Martinez has been a great champion and his defeat of Chavez Jr. was a beautiful boxing clinic save for the 12th round, but based on Sergio's injuries and his performance in his last fight, I think a duel with GGG could be Sergio's last.
Golovkin, unlike Chavez Jr., applies smart, effective pressure, can hurt his opponents beyond repair with just one or two shots, and is an excellent finisher as evidenced by his knockout percentage. If you expect Golovkin to knock Sergio down, there's no reason to believe that Martinez would be likely to recover and fight on to win. In fact, based on what we have seen from Golovkin thus far, if Golovkin sends Martinez to the canvas, there's a very good chance Maravilla won't get up.
1. Pacquiao not finishing Algieri means nothing, Floyd most likely wouldn't have even dropped him.
You're missing the point. Floyd has never been a devastating knockout puncher. Notwithstanding his hand problems, even though he has enough pop to keep his foes honest, he doesn't focus on KOs and will err on the side of not taking risks even when there might be an opening for a KO. Floyd's game is to outclass his opponents and beat them handily on points.
For all of the Pacquiao fans who believe he's going to enter the ring and walk through Floyd, the fact that he couldn't knock out a C-level fighter like Algieri or a tomato can like Brandon Rios suggests that Pacquiao needs a Plan B.
2. Pacquiao Is no where near as careless as he was before Marquez caught him with the KO shot.
This is silly. You can't learn much of anything from the Algieri and Rios fights because they had no challenges to offer Pacquiao. The fact that Pacquiao even fought these guys tells you where his career is post-Marquez.
Pacquiao did beat Tim Bradley in their rematch but Bradley hurt Pacquiao in the fourth round and still managed to land more than 30% of his power punches.
At this stage of his career, Pacquiao is who he is. If he tries to tighten up his defense, the overwhelm-and-finish strategy is going to be very hard to execute against Floyd. Realistically Manny won't be able to push Floyd out of his comfort zone unless he takes the type of risks he's paid for dearly in the past.
3. Mayweather better hope his legs work, he better continue to move and he better hope he Is prepared for the speed that Pacquiao brings and sparring Judah and Corley ain't gonna get It.
If you actually believe that Floyd's legs are shot (or on the verge of being shot), you are not basing that on real evidence. Floyd is obviously not the same fighter physically as he was at 28 but he still moves better than 99% of the fighters out there and his ring IQ is a lot higher than it was at 28. His recent opposition is decent, and it includes a lopsided defeat of a full-blown middleweight (Canelo) who is supposedly the future of the sport.
Pacquiao isn't the same fighter either. He hasn't scored a knockout since 2009, he suffered a brutal knockout and his recent level of opposition leaves a lot to be desired. You can't tell me he has sparring partners who can prepare him for Floyd's movement and angles.
If recent history and quality of opposition is any indication, Floyd will have all the advantages on May 2 and Manny will have to pull a rabbit out of a hat to win. But you can keep hoping that Floyd's legs fall off.
First of all, virtually nobody thought Gonzalez would even win. Secondly, thats why you fight the fights. Lastly, guys like Abner Mares are what make the sport what it is. All this sissy, safety first ****, is for guys who are afraid to take chances. And more often than not, are often boring. Boxing is the sport of fighting. Where two men look eachother in the eye and say, "I'll beat you before you beat me".
Abner Mares is the epitome of that in todays landscape.
The notion that modern boxing is supposed to be a barbaric exercise is just stupid. Fighters are human. They can be hurt. Every time a fighter walks into the ring, he risks his health and even his life.
I guess some "fans" find it easy to sit in front of the television, hoping for nothing more than 36 minutes of two guys beating each other's heads in, or, even better - a spectacular knockout that leaves one man laying on the canvas unconscious.
Who cares if these guys are braver than they are smart? They're warriors, right?! Who cares if these guys have families? They're fighting for glory and making millions, right?!
Why should you care about the health and safety of these fighters? Once the fights are over, the fighters and their families are left to deal with the damage that can be inflicted by repeated blows to the head. You don't have to take the punches or deal with their effects. No sir, you get to log onto BoxingScene.com and praise the warrior spirit of the next young fighter who is willing to sacrifice his health for your entertainment.
"I'll beat you before you beat me." How romantic. Next time you need some violence in your life, try a Russell Crowe movie. You'll probably enjoy it more than boxing.