Actions generally speak louder than words and the way Roach has handled Pacquiao's career since the beginning to now, it's all the same. It was always obvious what he was doing.
The fact he got away with avoiding so many fighters as Manny climbed divisions and the fact no one had anything to say against it just shows how dumb boxing fans and boxing experts truly are.
Makes you wonder if boxing has always been like this and I think it has. People generally aren't interested in fair competitive fights as they are in watching savage beat downs.
Kind of losing my general interest in this sport. It's actually a little pathetic how many people condone this form of competition.
..... I had a dream about Floyd Mayweather the other night, it was pretty damn wierd.
I think it was because I was watching the Floyd vs Oscar fight before I fell asleep (cuz it was pretty damn boring). Anyway, on to the dream.
I dreamt that for whatever reason I was in a card game room with Floyd and his homeboys in Las Vegas. Prior to me getting there I had knowledge that Floyd's homies had ****'d up some dude for not wanting to play monopoly with them. They cut off his fingers or some ****, I forget.
Anyway, I ended up in that room at the playing table, but I couldn't stay to play cuz I had homework or some **** to do. I was like, "Floyd, I really gotta go, I'd like to play, but I can't."
Floyd gave me a Robert Dinero look and said, "You're free to go." At that point I was like ****, I'm about to lose a finger or an ear or something. I said, "You know what, I'll just stay and play man." So I ended up staying next to some hottie, she was brunette, ****in' fine.
Chris Jericho walked in all sweaty, like he had just finished wrestling. He left, then Matt Damon came in for a while. Then I just continued to play freakin monopoly with Floyd and his homies against my will till I woke up.
That dream had me all messed up the next morning. So I started some Floyd hate threads.
Can someone explain this dream to me???
I don't know but that was hilarious. Especially about Floyd and his homies maiming people for not playing monopoly with them :rofl:
Go away he was signed to fight Zab before he lost to Baldy, keep fishing hater.
No he wasn't.
The guys on Showtime stated that Judah had already signed to fight Mayweather months ago and that Judah's camp didn't know why Floyd's camp was stalling. They said it during the Judah/Baldomir ring walks.
Makes you wonder what would have happen if Judah could have laid Baldomir out. I wonder if Floyd would have still taken the fight.
Slick= Fast in the reflexes department. If everyone was fast, everyone would move out of the way of a punch lol.
Smart= Being able to throw both leads and counters effectively. Because in order to do that you have to be able to identify when each should be thrown. That takes intelligence.
So yeah, dodging a punch or having defense is all about speed and reflexes, because if you don't have speed or the ability to move out of the way fast enough, you than have to roll and add that subtle head movement you see all the ATG pressure fighters do. You think guys are punching bags when in reality they're doing little things to take the sting of most of the punches being thrown at them.
I remember all of this.
And it was Floyd who went on ESPN and said Miguel Cotto was too green, not Arum.
Yet Floyd will fight Victor Ortiz who is not only more green than Cotto ever was, but he also has more and possibly worse flaws than Cotto ever had, including 2 more losses and a draw.
Floyd's a coward and a fraud and will go down in history as such.
Styles make fights and Cotto had a style that would have ****ed Floyd up bad.
Cotto`s team said that Cotto was`nt ready for Floyd when Floyd called him out for a unification bout.Floyd also called out Hatton for a unification bout at 140 and Hatton insinuated that he was`nt ready either.
Why would Floyd call out Cotto only to say he's too green? That doesn't even make sense.
Floyd was on FNF saying Miguel was too green after Cotto obliterated Judah or Quintana. Than he proceeded to duck Shane for some time as well and just disappeared from the sport after all his cherry picked and easy fights, while Miguel basically fought and cleaned out all the live dogs.
The only fight where you can actually give Floyd credit for finding some spine was when he actually stepped up and fought Judah. And he didn't even sign for that fight until Judah LOST to Baldomir :rofl:
Floyd's a fraud plain and simple.
Although if his legacy is anywhere, its back at 130 and 135. Because he certainly ducked, dodged, and hid at 140/147.
most oxnard fighters are punk asses
I noticed this too. A lot of talk comes from these guys but at the end of the day most of the guys that come out of the Garcia camp don't have defensive habits.
You look at the Mayweathers train their fighters and they're constantly implementing habitual defensive moves within their training regime.
Look at what Sr. did with Hatton for the Malignaggi fight. Hatton was leading and countering off of his defense, something he never did in the past, to top it off it was against a renowned slick fighter. I mean we're talking about Ricky Hatton here. That's a testament to how dynamic a trainer can be to a fighter with bad or limited habits.
Train them and make them do the same thing over and over until it's habitual in their fight game and it will show up in the ring.
well all these fighters at some point have a connection to oxnard. I just find it kind of strange that they all get Kod once they face a big puncher, maybe its the water lol. Rios and Mikey garcia havent fought a big pucher but once they do there getting kod count on that.
The Garcia's don't teach defense. A lot of trainers don't give their fighters defensive habits.
Paq goes face first into counters like they're ****ing windshields :rofl:
Why you think he only fights drained fighters and brawlers?
Mayweather would be forced to use his legs in this fight though and that's what Floyd is scared of.
THIS sounds more believable than Floyd fighting Serg :rofl:
More easy pickens for Mayweather. Bradley is a high speed brawler just like Mosley used to be, only Bradly is smaller and doesn't hit as hard as a prime Mosley.
Mayweather d's up' all the way to an easy decision.
Why is it that Morales is younger than Marquez and they each have the same amount of fights give or take one, they have their fair share of wars give or take one, they both are not defensive fighters so they take their hits.
So my question is what happened to Morales?
I mean you can say "Well Morales has as many fights as an old Marquez, see that already says a lot. He was ahead of his time."
But then how come "old" Marquez with as many fights as the younger Morales, still is as hard as they come? still a top P4P fighter? A champion, a Lineal/Ring champion at that? With as many fights as a shot/past prime Morales?
They aged better? How, lol they fight the same only Marquez has counterpunching skills. Morales been through more wars? Really, no he hasn't. Actually I have seen Marquez in more wars at an old age against top fighters than a young Morales. That's 4 wars in his mid-late 30s and is still a hard old man. And what I mean by young Morales is 24-27 to be fair to Marquez. Let's not add up Morales full career here, just a few years of comparison will do.
I'm not knocking Morales, I know he's been in a lot wars in the late 90s to mid 2000's but so did Marquez.
They both don't take the same amount of damage. Marquez gets hit far less, especially when he was younger. He'll take meaningless shots and the occasional hard shot that will drop him, but Morales would take anything and everything if he had to.
Plus Morales fought at a less controlled pace, the dude acquired a lot more wear and tear over the years, more than Marquez did. Marquez fights more efficiently because he's thinking in the ring, he's not just barging forward and trying to will his way to every victory. He only digs that deep when he has to. It's not his only option.
That's why Morales broke down sooner.
The standard 3 things that new fans don't realize about Marquez.
1- He used to be fast as hell
1- He never use to get hit nearly as much as he does now
2- He's a career featherweight
Him and Morales are two very different fighters. Marquez fought and was physically built to last as long as he has, Morales really didn't fight, or was built anything like that. Morales still knew what the hell he was doing in the ring though, obviously. His career speaks for itself.
Valero going really sucked
Seeing the question about Ortiz being answered; that despite all that talent he's just a mediocre boxer
The rest of the year went as expected though
I was wondering why prospects like Jose Benavidez Jr, Frankie Gomez, and Randy Cabellero and a lot of other boxers I know who skipped waiting for the Olympics to get an early start on their Professional Boxing Career. I was also thinking how Andre Ward and James Degale really do not get much respect for winning the gold medal. I am just curious because I think if the Olympics were still popular it could give these boxers a platform to gain fans and increase their fanbase.
Professional boxing is a disgusting form of the art. Anyone and everyone is permitted to cheat in some way or fashion.
But that Gold Medal, it's legit. I think these kids will wish they had something like a gold medal to reflect on afterward, especially if they get dealt a bad hand in professional boxing.
lol Martinez is the truth.
Russians don't have what Serg has. So when they see it they don't even know how to understand it.
To this Russian bone head Martinez probably looks crazy in the ring.
I wouldn't count out Litzua.
There's a decent size difference between the two.
5'5 vs 5'10
Pounce has never seen 130.
Jason has never seen 126.
Very interesting fight.
Exactly, Caballero was a great fighter but the size difference made all the difference in the fight with Litzau. Cab was getting pushed around by Litzau and even looked fatigued through the rounds. Only putting together a few decent exchanges every 3 or 4 rounds. I'm expecting the same problems for Ponce. Have to wait and see if his power plays any role in the fight as well.
Sad.. it's not even close to pacs biggest fight.
Pac's worst fight = Floyds best fight. :lol1:
lol Seriously, both guys are a joke.
But only casual fans I'd assume would defend Mosley's fight with Manny. It's just another stage for Paq to exploit another former great fighter.
Caballero is taller and has a longer reach than Litzau.
Caballero's been fighting smaller men all his career. Litzau was the first who is closer to his size.
Height and reach has nothing to do with it it's all about density.
Yeah Cab is taller than Jason, but he is also far more narrower and less dense. Cab had moments where he showed how good he is with his hands but for the most part it was like he was trying to push a heavy bag off of him.
Ponce might have the same problems if not more because Ponce isn't even fast.
what does Cotto get from fighting Mayorga?? he should fight someone else, anyone even Malignaggi again!!!everyines criticizing Pac-Mosely. but Cotto vs Mayorga is a slap in the face to all boxing fans!!
Dude if Cotto was the pound for pound best fighter in the world taking these kind of fights then you would have a point. And it's not like Cotto hasn't paid his dues either.
Tall fighters, like Paul Williams, have a height advantage. However, like Paul Williams, their height does not give them an edge in the fight if they are always bent over to their opponents level.
A longer reach gives you a reach advantage. However, your reach will not give you an edge in a fight if you're fighting in the pocket the whole fight.
Floyd had a weight advantage against Marquez but his weight did not give him an edge. Why? Because you have to USE your weight advantage for it to give you an edge. How? You clinch. Put your opponent on the ropes and lay on them. Push them around with your body and stay in their chest. Floyd was not doing that at all. He fought Marquez on the outside using jabs, hooks, and right hands all night. Neither did his weight allow him to punch harder. Marquez was never wobbled or hurt. He went down in the second like he always does, seemingly from poor balance. Katsidis had him more hurt than Floyd did.
Also note that Floyd was slipping, dodging, ducking, and backing away from Marquez' attacks. Did his extra weight enable him with greater agility? More weight is supposed to work against a big person trying to be agile.
You can't say that the extra weight enabled Floyd to take Marquez' punches because Marquez was not landing any punches. Floyd's weight did not give him an edge against Marquez because he never used it to his advantage. If you can't come up with a valid argument in objection to this fact then you should not reply at all because you'll only make yourself sound silly.
Case closed. :nana:
When a career featherweight and a fighter who's technically small for a lightweight is fighting a guy who has been competing at Welterweight meet in the ring, if size isn't an advantage, what exactly is?
Floyd has had a pathetic career since moving by avoiding the real fights, but to not even bother making weight against a smaller fighter like Marquez is just hilarious.
I'm not a floyd fan at all.
However, I think had marquez been the naturally bigger man that night, he still gets beat in the same fashion. The factor is this fight was skill level.
I think Floyd fanatics are missing the point that if the fight was made at a legit weight, regardless of who you think would win the fight would have actually been more competitive.
I gotta be honest. The pattern started with Morales after the Raheem fight even though the rematch was still somewhat necessary. He catces these guys just at the right time when they are coming off unimpressive performances. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
The Barrera rematch - Barrera had just came off a war against JMM and lost.
The JMM rematch - This is the only guy who you can honestly say was at thet op of his game that Pac has fought in the last few years
David Diaz - A total gimmie fight for Pac. Struggled with a nobody with a knockoutless record on the undercard of JMM-Pac 2.
Oscar - Got busted up by a non puncher in Steve Forbes with the cheek bone thing
Hatton - He destroyed Malinaggi and all that, but what about the time he nearly got KOd by Lazcano
Cotto - Barely survived against a low intensity fighter in Clottey
Clottey - What was the point in this fight?
Margarito - I can actually understand this fight and wasn't all that mad with it, just the aspect of the title even though I didn't like the way Margarito looked against Garcia
Mosley - Coming off two horrible performances.
And another thing that needs to be touched on too, is the fact that even though this fight with Mosley isn't at a catch weight, it's gonna be at 147 which in reality makes the fight less competitive in my view because Mosley last fought at 154 against Mora.
It seems like Pacquiao just catches guys at the right time. He could've put all this criticism to bed if he just sat idle for a couple months and await the winner of the Bradley-Alexander fight since their excuse was that Berto is unproven (which he is) and JMM is too small or priced himself out or whatever.
And even though Mosley might beat JMM due to the size factor, that don't change the fact he's still not a tougher fight for Pacquiao like Merchant and the rest of Pacquiao's blind fans are letting on like. His jab and foot work has always been garbage and he's lost to every boxer he's faced except for the first Oscar fight. Pacquiao just fought Margarito and let him come in at 152 so why can't he let Mosley come in like that too? Pacquiao deserves all this heat he is getting even though it seems tiring to get on this site and see the forums are filled with this very topic. Floyd shouldn't have anything to do with Pacquiao's choice of opponents now because there are still top guys out there for Manny to fight.
Honestly that's the one and only thing that makes his career a joke compared to others. You think about it and he's had a pretty easy life in the ring compared to fighters in the past. Aside from 2 fights he's never had to be in a dangers fight.
Every fight has been handicapped in his favor. I'm surprised that you can actually get away with that in Boxing.
That's one way of looking at it, and one opinion. My opinion is that i don't ever see this fight being competitive. I would have been elated to see marquez pull off the upset, but i just think he's outmatched no matter what weight they were.
That was the general thought of the public before the fight was even made. It was a bogus fight on Mayweathers part, but to take that fight and not even make the weight just smeared his own career. But Marquez would have had a far better showing of himself if the rules of weight were in effect. Instead he just looked like a guy throwing punches underwater.
Duckiao;9851348']Victor Ortiz, I was high on the guy, I thought he was gonna be that big puncher that whooped everyone's ass and be a huge star. I was wrong, sadly.
I'm going with Ortiz too. For some reason I really wanted to see him do good. He's easily the hardest hitter at 140. Fast and Strong. He just doesn't have what it takes to elevate his fight game to a winning level.
Mosley could never beat the elite he could only get past the brawlers who he could brawl better against. Even in the second Oscar fight where Oscar boxed Shane looked lost and Shane was roided up for that fight.
Manny is a guy that taxes old asses for a living, literally. And if he's on top of his game Mosley will take another L to an elite fighter. Shanes face is flat as a board now, if Manny has his way he me turn that s### inside out.
My dad was just telling me how much better the Welterweights in the 1980's were and how much more exciting Boxing was there and I was just wondering what is considered the Best Time Period in Boxing. I think today is pretty exciting there are a lot of good fighters today it is just how making the big fights and pitting the best fighters in against each other.
80's and 90's were entertaining to say the least.
This era is craaaaazy soft.
http://theboxingtruth.com/article.php?id=1938
Too good for his own good.
Just talking about the 80's and 90's and here we have a guy who just like in those era's is willing to fight anyone. But he's stuck in a era where cherry picking rules the sport.
****ing pathetic man :grumble:
im a pacfan homeboy, meaning theres nothing to be angry about his carerer, he's the most accomplished fighter right now by far....its the pachaters that are angry because you root for inferior fighters...:boxing:
lol Honestly, how do you think the other names in the sport would fair if they got nothing but handicapped fights against weight drained fighters coming off of losses?
I know you Paq fans dont know anything about boxing outside of Paq but this sport was built on the best fighting the best. lol Not some supposed steroid user fighting drained fighters who also are coming off career defining losses.
so youre saying when mosely was winning he clearly was doing peds but when he was losing he was'nt doing it, .....lol......any proof to this?
I said the only time he took EPO and another drug was for the Oscar rematch. That was after the Forrest fights and before the Winky fight. He wasn't juiced up for the Winky or Forrest fights.
These drugs weren't even around when Mosley's career first started man.