Interesting Zab Judah quote about Mayweather.

You were making the excuse that Mosley was shot and the layoff effected him (even though Floyd simply boxed his ass off like he always would have) and I responded with what could be said against Pacquiao and his opponents. It's simply to say that those arguments can be used against any fighter, shitting on every good win they ever had, and debating it is pointless. And the more you do it, the lower your IQ drops. Apparently that's your shtick on here. There is a big difference between Manny and Floyd. When Manny moved up 2 to 3 divisions to fight these WW he was not favored. So the risk factor was higher. You keep on bringing up Oscar but Oscar was the clear favorite. Against Floyd, Hatton and Marquez were not .... Mosley wasn't .... Yes, every fighter has a some questionable fighters but the point is that Floyd has been very consistent on this point.... but of course, you do not see the difference so what can I say.

I was watching Sworn Enemies(countdown to Mayweather/Judah) and came accross this little quote from Zab Judah. "I think the only reason this fight is made is because Mayweather saw an opportunity, he thought I was vulnerable, he sat there with his friends and watched my loss to Baldamir and said you know what I can beat him now. This is what Mayweather does, he goes in there and fights fighters when they're finished". - Zab Judah Oh i see now. PBF sits there with his friends and watches Pac destroy Cotto, Hatton and DLH, and dont think he can beat Pac anytime soon. So is not ready for Pac. When he watches Pac fight one day, and Pac seems to struggle he will say you know what i can beat Pac now.

"and undefeated Hatton who was thought of as hot after destroying Castillo" i dont agree witht hat at all. castillo looked like the crypt keeper.

His next 3 fights disprove that theory - he took on Baldomir who was on a hot streak, ODLH who was thought of as hot after destroying Mayorga, and undefeated Hatton who was thought of as hot after destroying Castillo. Rep I mean if this is what he does, why he fight Baldo who just beat you Judah? May took the fights that put him in the position he's in

I was watching Sworn Enemies(countdown to Mayweather/Judah) and came accross this little quote from Zab Judah. "I think the only reason this fight is made is because Mayweather saw an opportunity, he thought I was vulnerable, he sat there with his friends and watched my loss to Baldamir and said you know what I can beat him now. This is what Mayweather does, he goes in there and fights fighters when they're finished". - Zab Judah thats funny because didnt they have the fight set up before baldi but it fell through? -thread killa

I was watching Sworn Enemies(countdown to Mayweather/Judah) and came accross this little quote from Zab Judah. "I think the only reason this fight is made is because Mayweather saw an opportunity, he thought I was vulnerable, he sat there with his friends and watched my loss to Baldamir and said you know what I can beat him now. This is what Mayweather does, he goes in there and fights fighters when they're finished". - Zab Judah HBO was paying big money to Floyd for this fight. BHopreign basically ended the thread in 2008 because Mayweather and Judah signed to fight before the Baldomir fight. Baldomir was just an 'easy' tune up for Judah, that didn't go exactly how it was planned. Same with Pacquiao vs Morales. Morales beat Pacquiao then lost to Raheem and still signed to fight a second fight with Pacquiao, and a rubbermatch. Happens all the time, Mayweather gets picked for it though he only did it once.

What inside info you have that it won't be a big deal for Cotto to fight at 150. Manny stopped him at 145 and the guy jumps to 154. And talking about weight didn't the rematchs against Morales was at 130 where Morales couldn't do it effectively no more? Your reasoning is one way There were some threads posted that Cotto and Manny have discussed the possibility to fight at 150. So if it would be too difficult to fight at 150 then Cotto would have said so and said no way..... add the fact that he made 145 less than a year ago, it would suggest that making 150 would not be as difficult to make.... but as I said, it's from the threads and that is where this speculative 150 catchweight came from. Personally, I'm hoping for the Floyd fight instead of this rematch. As for Morales, Morales fight was for the 130 title. So that is why they fought at 130. If not, yeah, they could have fought at 132 and it wouldn't have bothered me.

Wrong! Before the mele started, by Floyd's camp if i may add, Judah was right there with Floyd, but during the mele were Judah got choked by one of Floyd's henchmen to a point were Judah almost passed out, that's when the table turned on Judah. Remember that Judah rocked Floyd during that fight as well and that fight went to distance, so he could have been ahead at that time, not saying he was, just saying he could've. Either you're trying to rewrite history or you didn't see the fight. Judah was taking a beating from the 5th round on before the mele..

His next 3 fights disprove that theory - he took on Baldomir who was on a hot streak, ODLH who was thought of as hot after destroying Mayorga, and undefeated Hatton who was thought of as hot after destroying Castillo. Baldomir had 0 chance of beating Mayweather come on now. He got hot off of beating Judah and Gatti. Gatti being COMPLETELY shot was competitive against Baldomir. DLH was finished pretty much, Hatton was a good win, but Mosley was completely shot.

Go away he was signed to fight Zab before he lost to Baldy, keep fishing hater. Owned. Zab is a clown.

I was watching Sworn Enemies(countdown to Mayweather/Judah) and came accross this little quote from Zab Judah. "I think the only reason this fight is made is because Mayweather saw an opportunity, he thought I was vulnerable, he sat there with his friends and watched my loss to Baldamir and said you know what I can beat him now. This is what Mayweather does, he goes in there and fights fighters when they're finished". - Zab Judah Yeah, kind of like Sugar Ray Leonard did when he fought Duran the second time, Leonard has said he wanted to catch Duran between his weight fluctuating so he'd be weaker when he fought him again, or when he waited like 3 to 4 years to finally fight Marvin Hagler, when Hagler was getting ready to retire.

zab was never in floyd's league and it showed in their fight. cotto will get done the same way. just not skilled enough Wrong! Before the mele started, by Floyd's camp if i may add, Judah was right there with Floyd, but during the mele were Judah got choked by one of Floyd's henchmen to a point were Judah almost passed out, that's when the table turned on Judah. Remember that Judah rocked Floyd during that fight as well and that fight went to distance, so he could have been ahead at that time, not saying he was, just saying he could've.

Cotto at 145 was not somewhere that he has never fought before. Cotto had success at lower weight divisions too. It's not unknown territory. It's a matter of can he make the weight. Cotto was Manny's second fight at 147 and Roach was still apprehensive in fighting full fledged WW since he was fighting at 130 less than 2 years before the Cotto fight!!! Same goes for Cotto at 150. Cotto at 150 is not a mind buggling weight for him since he has been fighting at 154 for just one fight. Manny is already pushing the limits of what a 5'6" fighter can do. I doubt that Cotto would have trouble making 150. If Manny had more fights left in him and beat Cotto at 150 then you could have seen him go up to 154 .... one or two fights later. If you are talking about Cotto the fighter, 150 is not a big deal. For the title, it would have been preferable to fight at 154. For Floyd, we are not talking about titles. What inside info you have that it won't be a big deal for Cotto to fight at 150. Manny stopped him at 145 and the guy jumps to 154. And talking about weight didn't the rematchs against Morales was at 130 where Morales couldn't do it effectively no more? Your reasoning is one way

He did not show effectiveness at 147 because we only have 2 fights to look at. That's why one uses observational skills and logic to come to a conclusion. And when you look at his weight history, one has to think that he is a better and overall more healthier fighter at 147 than at 140. The only difference, the opponents at 140 are smaller and weaker which is why he was killing himself to remain there. However that doesn't apply to a Floyd Vs Hatton at 147, because Floyd is NOT a big Welterweight and weighs less then Ricky on a all-year long basis. Floyd beats Ricky at 140 even worse because Ricky has no advantage there unless Floyd weakens himself to make the 140 limit, which I doubt he would considering he weighs no more than 150-155 when he isn't fighting. The End really, you're not offering anything new but circle jerk criticism. What? You are using some weird logic to state that Hatton would be better off fighting Floyd at 147 when history has it that Hatton fought well at 140 but was mediocre at best at 147. So this was advantage for Floyd. I will tell you what Hatton had to do. He should have stopped impersonating James Toney when he was off from his day job as a boxer and looked after himself. As for 147, Hatton had to first prove to the world that he belonged there before I or you can say with confidence that he belonged at 147. You on the other hand appear to think otherwise. Why? After the Floyd fight, Hatton went down and fought 3 more times instead of staying at 147. Hatton was and never would be a 147 fighter and the records prove it 100% End of story!

zab was never in floyd's league and it showed in their fight. cotto will get done the same way. just not skilled enough Zab was beating Mayweather in the early going before he tired as he usely does. I don't know if it was because Mayweather took Judah lightly because Judah lost to Baldomir or if Judah's southpaw style was confusing for Mayweather. I was just shocked that Judah lost the WBA belt to Baldomir and the WBA took it back so Mayweather-Judah could be for a title.

Pacquiao - fought Delahoya, a guy who was severely dehydrated, fought Hatton who looked dehydrated, fought Cotto who was damaged good and might've been dehydrated with the catchweight. BLah! Two can play that game, had nothing to do with what I asked, you're grasping at straws here. The rest of your post was weak. You are the one grasping at straws. You are saying that all those guys "looked" or "probably" were dehydrated but you can't say it as a fact. Manny had to move up 2 and was one fight from saying 3 divisions when he fought Delahoya. So 147 was a compromise. Manny was the underdog in that fight. What did the brave Floyd have to do (compromise) when he fought Hatton? Same goes with Marquez in which he didn't even want to make the intially agreed weight!

No he wasn't. The guys on Showtime stated that Judah had already signed to fight Mayweather months ago and that Judah's camp didn't know why Floyd's camp was stalling. They said it during the Judah/Baldomir ring walks. Makes you wonder what would have happen if Judah could have laid Baldomir out. I wonder if Floyd would have still taken the fight. Well Mayweather was with Top rank at the time and they have contract problems, He end up signing a one fight deal with an option of buying out his contract if his guarantees were not met. And while negotiating for a Margarito,Cotto,Hatton and de la hoya fight Arum couldnt meet his "Contractual" guarantees with Mayweather which open the door for Mayweather to buy himself out of his contract which he duly did after his last fight with Top rank (Judah).

Pretty true. Not sure on De La Hoya though, I don't remember many people thinking he was 'hot', but I agree in principle. What happened to this guy?? :(

HOW LONG HAS THE DUDE BEEN AT 140? THE DUDE HAD TO GET FAT MELTED OFF OF HIM TO COMPETE, AND THAT WAS WEAR AND TEAR ON HIS BODY! HE WAS NEVER IN GOOD SHAPE POST FIGHTS. THE DUDE WAS FAT, IF YOU COMPARE BODY TYPES HE HAD MORE FAT THAN JAMES LIGHTS OUT TONEY! LOL. IT was time for him to move from 140!!! THE DAMN DUD HAS BEEN FIGHTING SINCE 1997, AND HIS LAST FIGHT WAS IN 2009! he only had 2 fights at welterweight COLLAZO AND FLOYD, and he lost to floyd in his second fight. You cant have it both ways. RICKY ALSO SUSPECTED MANNY OF JUICING TO AND STATED HE SHOUDL HAVE HAD HIM DRUG TESTED LIKE FLOYD IS TRYING TO DO.... DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT SINCE YOU LIKE QUOTING RICKY ABOUT HIS BEST WEIGHTS AND SHIT?? NAW OF COURSE YOU DONT. YOU WILL TRY AND DEFEND PACQUIAOS CATCHWEIGHTS, AND THEN SIT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE AND SAY MAYWEATHER HAD THE ADVANTAGE AT 147!!! MAYWEATHER WAS SIMPLY BETTER THAN HIM!!! FASTER? BETTER BOXER? BETTER RING GENERALSHIP? AND AS YOU PAC FANS LIKE TO SAY COTTO AGREED TO IT, DELAHOYA AGREED TO IT (CATCHWEIGHTS) WELL.... Hatton agreed to terms on 27 July for a 8 December 2007 welterweight fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr WELL WHO HAD THE ADVATANGE IN THE MANNY FIGHT AGAINST DELAHOYA? HE WEIGHED MORE THAN DELAHOYA THAT NIGHT, BUT I dont see you bringing that up now do I? HE WEIGHED MORE AND THEN PUT A STIPULATION ON HIM THAT HE COULDNT COME IN AT A CERTAIN WEIGHT WHICH HE CAME IN OVER. BRAVO!!!!!!! You can't say when Hatton needs to move up. I agree that he was dumb for yoyoing with his weight. You need to go back and remember. Most people thought that there was no way that Manny would beat Oscar. Manny was one fight from his 130 days. So you can't blame Manny for moving up 2 or 3 divisions and asking Oscar to come down one. Being that some can say Oscar fight was a fluke or whatever, Cotto was ONLY Manny's second fight at WW. I'm sure that if they fought again, Manny/Roach would think it was more of a possibility of beating a 147 WW but that looked unlikely the first 1 or 2 fights. See, then for his 3rd fight, he fought Clottey at 147. Manny was moving up quickly and fighting bigger guys. Floyd has been at 147 for 5-6 years but has fought 2 of his last 3 fights against smaller guys (Hatton and Marquez) There is a difference!!!

Its not about crying, do you see me with a cotto avatar?? do you see me with a manny avatar? cotto in my opinion has never been that good A LEVEL, MAYBE B- LEVEL. I think manny will be toast against floyd, but my point is this. MOST IMBECILES WILL STILL GIVE HIM CREDIT TOWARDS HIS TITLE RUNS EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THEM ARE AT CATCHWEIGHTS. AND IF YOU REALLY FEEL THAT MANNY WOULD BEAT HIM ANYWAY, WHY IN THE FUKK WOULD YOU WANT HIM TO FIGHT COTTO AGAIN? FOR BRAGGING RIGHTS? IF YOU REALLY FEEL THAT COTTO CANT BEAT HIM, WHY LOOK FOR ANOTHER FIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO? MANNY BEAT COTTO DOWN. I could understand if it was close. I really could. FLOYD KO'ED HATTON, I would crucify floyds ass if he tried to fight HATTON RIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF THIS SUPERFIGHT! YOU SHOULD BE CRUCIFYING MANNY AS WELL! BUT YOU ARENT!!! YOU ARE A FAN BOY!!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Now while you are talking about it not being at 150, mannys camp has already stated they would fight him at............... 150!!!! manny is known for catchweights. manny has more negotiating power than cotto, as hes top ranks #1 boy, and hes already beaten cotto to boot. so what do you think is gonna happen?? At least be logical. I could care less about cotto or manny. I respect cotto more though. Wait a second here. This thread had NOTHING to do with Manny but Ceilings brought this up. I already told you that I would have preferred 154 instead of 150. I never said that I wanted Manny to fight Cotto but this was thrown at me by Ceiling and now you. So if you don't care for Cotto vs Manny then I can move on too as I also prefer Manny vs Floyd. OK?