Floyd's Size Did Not Give Him An Advantage Against Marquez

Exactly. Floyd won with the size of his ring IQ not the size of his waist. But still size counts right?

Not only was weight a factor but Marquez wasn't fighting his fight. Marquez is a counter puncher like Floyd but he knew floyd wouldn't be the aggressor, therefor he had to change his style and attack and got countered.

I'd say the 2nd round perfectly illustrated why the fight was a mismatch due to size. Marquez hit Floyd with his best shot, and Floyd didn't budge. Moments later Mayweather hit Marquez with a left hook, and Marquez went down. After that there was no question whatsoever about the eventual victor. NO!!!!! You can't use logic here!!!

I'd say the 2nd round perfectly illustrated why the fight was a mismatch due to size. Marquez hit Floyd with his best shot, and Floyd didn't budge. Moments later Mayweather hit Marquez with a left hook, and Marquez went down. After that there was no question whatsoever about the eventual winner.

Tall fighters, like Paul Williams, have a height advantage. However, like Paul Williams, their height does not give them an edge in the fight if they are always bent over to their opponents level. A longer reach gives you a reach advantage. However, your reach will not give you an edge in a fight if you're fighting in the pocket the whole fight. Floyd had a weight advantage against Marquez but his weight did not give him an edge. Why? Because you have to USE your weight advantage for it to give you an edge. How? You clinch. Put your opponent on the ropes and lay on them. Push them around with your body and stay in their chest. Floyd was not doing that at all. He fought Marquez on the outside using jabs, hooks, and right hands all night. Neither did his weight allow him to punch harder. Marquez was never wobbled or hurt. He went down in the second like he always does, seemingly from poor balance. Katsidis had him more hurt than Floyd did. Also note that Floyd was slipping, dodging, ducking, and backing away from Marquez' attacks. Did his extra weight enable him with greater agility? More weight is supposed to work against a big person trying to be agile. You can't say that the extra weight enabled Floyd to take Marquez' punches because Marquez was not landing any punches. Floyd's weight did not give him an edge against Marquez because he never used it to his advantage. If you can't come up with a valid argument in objection to this fact then you should not reply at all because you'll only make yourself sound silly. Case closed. :nana: Yes it did. One's grown into a full fledged welterweight, one is stretching their limit at lightweight and was a chubby bloated welterweight. Deny it all you want, that fight was a joke.

Floyd's size was a factor BUT not more than his skill set :boxing:

COME ON..................It wasn't THAT much of a joke of a fight until Floyd made it so. Just like the Mosley beatdown. Come on man. Marquez is a tough night's work for ANYONE. Even @ 144lbs+. He's a tough guy. Give credit where credit is due. Floyd whooped him. It wouldn't have mattered one way or the other about the weight. Floyd was just too much for him. Admit it! It wasnt even a fight that anyone talked about until Floyd made it.... Yes Floyd was too much for him....because it was a joke fight. JMM is one of my favourite fighters but he has no business above 135.

Tall fighters, like Paul Williams, have a height advantage. However, like Paul Williams, their height does not give them an edge in the fight if they are always bent over to their opponents level. A longer reach gives you a reach advantage. However, your reach will not give you an edge in a fight if you're fighting in the pocket the whole fight. Floyd had a weight advantage against Marquez but his weight did not give him an edge. Why? Because you have to USE your weight advantage for it to give you an edge. How? You clinch. Put your opponent on the ropes and lay on them. Push them around with your body and stay in their chest. Floyd was not doing that at all. He fought Marquez on the outside using jabs, hooks, and right hands all night. Neither did his weight allow him to punch harder. Marquez was never wobbled or hurt. He went down in the second like he always does, seemingly from poor balance. Katsidis had him more hurt than Floyd did. Also note that Floyd was slipping, dodging, ducking, and backing away from Marquez' attacks. Did his extra weight enable him with greater agility? More weight is supposed to work against a big person trying to be agile. You can't say that the extra weight enabled Floyd to take Marquez' punches because Marquez was not landing any punches. Floyd's weight did not give him an edge against Marquez because he never used it to his advantage. If you can't come up with a valid argument in objection to this fact then you should not reply at all because you'll only make yourself sound silly. Case closed. :nana: Floyds weight was not the advantage, Marquez' weight was to the advantage of Floyd......

Tall fighters, like Paul Williams, have a height advantage. However, like Paul Williams, their height does not give them an edge in the fight if they are always bent over to their opponents level. A longer reach gives you a reach advantage. However, your reach will not give you an edge in a fight if you're fighting in the pocket the whole fight. Floyd had a weight advantage against Marquez but his weight did not give him an edge. Why? Because you have to USE your weight advantage for it to give you an edge. How? You clinch. Put your opponent on the ropes and lay on them. Push them around with your body and stay in their chest. Floyd was not doing that at all. He fought Marquez on the outside using jabs, hooks, and right hands all night. Neither did his weight allow him to punch harder. Marquez was never wobbled or hurt. He went down in the second like he always does, seemingly from poor balance. Katsidis had him more hurt than Floyd did. Also note that Floyd was slipping, dodging, ducking, and backing away from Marquez' attacks. Did his extra weight enable him with greater agility? More weight is supposed to work against a big person trying to be agile. You can't say that the extra weight enabled Floyd to take Marquez' punches because Marquez was not landing any punches. Floyd's weight did not give him an edge against Marquez because he never used it to his advantage. If you can't come up with a valid argument in objection to this fact then you should not reply at all because you'll only make yourself sound silly. Case closed. :nana: I've always thought, if the weight really effected Marquez like a lot of people say, it would have effected him over the long hall. IMO, early on he would be nearly just as effective, but he still couldn't hit Floyd. He only put on about 10 or 15 pounds, right? Thats not enough to slow you down early on to the point you can't land a thing, but it might be kicking your but after 4 or 5 rounds if you're not used to it. I could be wrong but that's how it looks to me.

This Thread is embarassing. Very Weak Damage Control..

Ur probably still mad over the Ricky Hatton beatdown. And if Floyd ever fought Amir......it would be twice as bad, and you would be twice as mad. Get over it. Great response. Dont see how that affects anything I said.

This is the most ridiculous thread i ever read form a so call boxing fan. Answer me this TS. 1. why did Floyd not honor the catch weight agreement? 2. so you don't believe that being bigger doesn't help you absorb damage better? 3. Being 2 P4P is nothing if your fighting way beyond his size is like asking Manny to fight Klitschko Brothers they too don't use their size as an advantage. Or Donaire (one of the top ten P4P) fighting Juan Manuel Lopez, it's only 2 division difference.

Wow....people are still trying to justify that joke fight?

then pac cheated singurat and got ko in the process hahaha Oh god not you again.....

this isnt even funny i cant even believe that anyone agrees with this ****.:sucks:

Okay, okay. Fair enough. But I'm saying: Floyd @ 135lbs (as we've seen him before) would SMOKE JMM. Dude, I'm sorry........... but it wasn't size that won Floyd that fight. It was TALENT. JMM could not touch him AT ALL. The punchstats will show you that CLEARLY. And you can blame it on the extra weight..........but dude.........It was a HUGE discrepancy! HUGE. Floyd was landing at will, well JMM was swinging at air. Surely you saw the same fight I did, no? Maybe, but that's not the matchup we saw. If Floyd in the fall of '09 cut weight to make 135 to face Marquez, he (Floyd) would've gotten demolished... probably couldn't even come close to making the weight in the first place. Mayweather-Marquez at lightweight is a fantasy fight, the actual fight was a lightweight vs a scale-cheating welter. Pacquiao is one of a handful of fighters in History who broke the Boxing rule of 'a good big man beats a good little man every time'. And Marquez was not only in a weight/size disadvantage but it was also a stylistic nightmare. It's not his style to chase his opponent around the ring trying to land shots. He's all about counter-punching and throwing combinations on the back foot. In this fight he was forced to be the aggressor and chase down a defensive fighter while being fat and slow. He had no business at that weight and was only in it for $ (as he would against Pac, probably why his asking price is so high), everyone with any sense knew that going in.

Thank you. Let's say the fight was @ 135lbs, would it really have made a difference? JMM didn't touch Floyd all night. If Floyd was 135lbs, he probably would have missed even more so. (Granted, Floyd's power wouldn't have been so overwhelming.) Bottom line: It was talent, not size that won Floyd that fight. Anyone who argues this, is purely a hater. Seriously? :lol1: Floyd couldn't even make 144, but he could fight at 135 if he wanted to? He would've been a skeleton, probably couldn't even get close to that weight without literally starving himself for weeks and not putting on any muscle or drinking any fluids. Marquez would've won by very brutal KO if Floyd drained himself like that.

Imagine a 37 year old Floyd fighting a prime Sergio Martinez at 160 (when there was an agreed upon 157 catchweight), then tell me size had no effect. This fight was also a horrible style matchup, a smaller bloated/slow counter-puncher forced to stalk a bigger counter-puncher. Golden Boy really needs to hire a new matchmaker, probably the same guy who thought Mosley-Mora was a good idea :lol1: And I'm sure the OP thinks Cotto losing 1 lb and Margarito being allowed to gain 3 lbs more than his optimal fighting weight were detrimental to their fighting chances while a 37 year-old career featherweight being forced to jump up 2 divisions and face a scale-cheating welter had no effect on the competitiveness of the bout. You can't make this stuff up :nonono:

To be honest, I agree. Even if they were the same size, it wouldn't have mattered. Floyd was just clearly the better man that night. He dominated Marquez more than anyone ever has, and possibly ever will. He looked absolutely amazing for having had such a long layoff. He made a seasoned veteran like Marquez look like an amateur. Floyd was "on" that night, no doubt. i agree too. would have been more competitive and marquez would definitely hurt floyd a lot more if they were the same size. but floyd would have still came out on top without too much trouble. floyd is just that good.

Tall fighters, like Paul Williams, have a height advantage. However, like Paul Williams, their height does not give them an edge in the fight if they are always bent over to their opponents level. A longer reach gives you a reach advantage. However, your reach will not give you an edge in a fight if you're fighting in the pocket the whole fight. Floyd had a weight advantage against Marquez but his weight did not give him an edge. Why? Because you have to USE your weight advantage for it to give you an edge. How? You clinch. Put your opponent on the ropes and lay on them. Push them around with your body and stay in their chest. Floyd was not doing that at all. He fought Marquez on the outside using jabs, hooks, and right hands all night. Neither did his weight allow him to punch harder. Marquez was never wobbled or hurt. He went down in the second like he always does, seemingly from poor balance. Katsidis had him more hurt than Floyd did. Also note that Floyd was slipping, dodging, ducking, and backing away from Marquez' attacks. Did his extra weight enable him with greater agility? More weight is supposed to work against a big person trying to be agile. You can't say that the extra weight enabled Floyd to take Marquez' punches because Marquez was not landing any punches. Floyd's weight did not give him an edge against Marquez because he never used it to his advantage. If you can't come up with a valid argument in objection to this fact then you should not reply at all because you'll only make yourself sound silly. Case closed. :nana: floyd's size didn't give him an advantage when he was cumming in your mouth.