He is innocent until proven guilty but he is also in the court of public opinion and is therefore, suspicious until proven innocent.
Only by his own doing, it a shame, really.
Damn, i can't believe i am agreeing with you. he is suspicious but not yet proven guilty. most Flomos fail to point out the difference between suspicious and outright guilty. props.
funny how every Pactard didn't response to this guy post its Pacroid own fault this got out of hand he is loseing public opinion and the longer he waits the worst it will get
I just proved your silly post wrong, idiot. Maybe in your twisted world being rational equates to being retarded but not here.
funny how every Pactard didn't response to this guy post its Pacroid own fault this got out of hand he is loseing public opinion and the longer he waits the worst it will get
Spoke too soon?
didnt u know everyone who has knight of ako pa ha as his sig is oficially admitting to be a retard
Still doesn't refute my point.
I see you're one of those 'self proclaimed' decent posters.
Hint: Calling people dumb does not make you smart, it's the intelligent posts that gives you cred.
You display no such quality to be called smart.
Looks like he got tired of the old Mexican being the goose.
The battered welterweight who got his ass kicked old school by Miguel "fragile" Cotto is apparently a more legitimate opponent than my boy Money Mayweather and SUGAR Shane Mosley.
He's obviously afraid of Mayweather.
You do know that Shane also fits that description pretty well.
If you really think Mosley got his ass handed to him against Cotto then you should really just stop posting.
It was close, and his head kept on snapping back, and officialy, a win is still a win.
FFS, he was comparing clottey vs cotto and ssm vs cotto. You do know that Clottey vs Cotto was a close fight?
Think your replies over before you reply troll, otherwise, YOU stop posting.
TS is dumb, he thought Pacquiao's fight night weight back then is good for a WW fight, yet a lot of small guys have fight night weights reaching 'weigh in' weights on fight nights.
If you're gonna accuse Pacquiao of ducking Welters, then why not JMM, EM, who weigh just a few pounds shy of welter on fight nights?
You can't even tell the difference of fight night weight as opposed to official weights on the scale.
I don't think he does, but does it even matter? Its not like he's telling people to act like him, and he's not required to act like a good model. Encouraged/ expected to, yes, but not required. Same thing applies to all celebrities.
Even Pacquiao can act like a b!tch, and I wouldn't give a ****.
I rarely post here nowadays and mostly just drop by to read news and stuff in the lounge, but I find it amusing how passionate some posters feel about how fans of Pacquiao are faring.
Now, if one takes time to actually read previous posts in this thread, it is quite balanced. There are posts that actually refute whatever point TS is trying to make.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'Pinoo' but I am Pinoy, and I give Marquez full credit for the win. Like any follower of Pacquiao, I wasn't exactly thrilled with the outcome, but seeing as he has lost before, it wasn't like the end of the world. (also if you included the fact that all three fights were very close).
If any fan of Pacquiao talks like he's butthurt, I think its all in the name of talking smack on an internet forum, something that's normal, especially in sports. If you take it seriously and miss the point of NSB then that's your problem. No need to drag down a whole group of fans with you.
Like I have stated b4 pac puts all he has in one punch lands and hits cotto and NOTHING HAPPENS!!! it'll be competitive while it last till cotto crunches the jab to the chin and the left hook to the body enough to get the stoppage 7ish round.:boxing:
Solid prediction man, we'll see if you get it right on the 14th.
cotto will put the pressure on pac and pac will move in and out to avoid getting hit. pac eventually lands a solid punch and cotto gets suprised because pac turns out to be stronger than he expected. cotto becomes more cautious for the rest of the fight, pac turns up the punch volume and the ref steps in to stop it.
pac by tko.
\What round do you feel this will happen?
Not that I want this to happen, but...
First round starts out and Pac and Cotto both come out not throwing much but the nervous energy level of both guys is obvious. Neither guy does much to make a fight of it for the first minute. Cotto starts to pop out the jab but he is playing very defensive and not really committing to the punch. Pac tried a few leads and lands a couple with no effect, but his speed advantage is clear. At some point towards the end of the round Cotto gets close enough to try and test Pac a bit and gets him on the ropes. Cotto starts to open up to the body a little bit and Pac counters with some quick shots off the ropes. Pac reaches for an uppercut in the last couple of seconds and just misses. Neither guy is the clear winner.
Round two starts off with a much higher level of activity from Pac and he starts to try and find a good "in and out" rhythm, while Cotto is still being cautious and tries to offset the activity with stiff jabs. Cotto still looks like he is feeling Pac out while Pac looks to be getting more comfortable as the round goes on. The hand and footspeed difference is starting to become obvious and this is about the point in the fight that Emmanuel Steward says "I see this being a long night for Cotto." Cotto isnt taking much in the way of damage but Pac's movement isnt allowing Cotto to set up for his shots so he is doing alot of chasing. Round two ends and it's a clear Pac round.
Round three starts and Cotto tries plan B and basically muscles Pac to the ropes and finds some success. You can see that Pac is feeling the body shots, but when Cotto stops throwing for a moment Pac side steps and lands a vicious uppercut. Cotto is out on his feet and covering up. Pac rushes and bombs away and Cotto takes a knee. He gets up but is clearly fuucked at this point. When the action resumes Cotto starts to back up and covers up and Pac unloads again until the ref waves it off. Pac KO round 3.
Keep in mind, Im actually rooting for Cotto. But the training videos show Pac working on uppercuts and Cotto is open to those. He will never see the punch that does the damage.
Cool unbiased post coming from someone rooting for Cotto.
Conversely, i am rooting for Pac but i don't think it would be quick nor easy.
Ok here goes my prediction take it for what it's worth...I am a Cotto die hard.
Both fighters try to make statements in the first round...Cotto comes out trying to be patient and stalk manny...reverting back to his Pre Mosley way of fighting smaller men...Pacquiao will be elusive through out...but not as unhittable as most Pac fans think...Pac man using in and out leg movment darts in...I believe that the first time Pac lands in the fight will be the key to whether or not he can win the fight...If he lands on Cotto and Cotto walks through it ...Big trouble in Pacland...If he gains Cotto's respect it turns into a strategic fight....With Cotto becoming more of a counter puncher...If Pac can't hurt Cotto ...Cotto goes into stalk and kill mode...which I what i belive will happen...Cotto will use his piston left jab to catch Manny coming in as he lounges with big lefts...Manny will be frustrated with the constant jabbing and begin to try to stay in the pocket longer then he would like to try to land(round 5 by this point)...this is when Cotto begins to land the left hook that spells doom for Pacquiao...after Pac gets tagged he will revert back to the toe 2 toe fighter that made him who he is today....Cotto with his bigger frame and stronger shots stops Pac late in the 10th.
If i'm wrong i'm wrong...but it's whats been in my head.
Thoughts?
Good one. I'm actually rooting for Pac and I think he should be wary of that jab, it has knocked down bigger men before. Does anyone still think Cotto's stamina may be an issue?
nah, it maybe the ones betting on Pac placed theirs first, hence the initial swelling of the odds in his favor. i guess the one rooting for Cotto placed theirs only now.
y'all just don't understand the firestorm that is pac.
you will.
Pac by stoppage in the 6th
Actually we do. how do you see it before being stopped in the 6th? would it be competitive before that, or would he be elusive? :D
Would it be an accumulation, like the DLH fight or bombs everytime he connects like the Hatton fight?
I notice that the roidgossipers' rallying cry is the weight gain.
Is he really bigger?
Pictures are not reliable you know.
His fightnight weight over the past few fights would give a better answer to my question.
I recall he has been coming in at pretty much the same weight (unless 3lbs for you is a big difference)
Pac hasn't gained a lot of weight, its the divisions he is fighting in that got higher
i bet these geniuses would believe anything May Sr. would spew out as long as it would be derogatory to pac.
About the steroid talk: Put up or shut up.
is it manny's weight you are worried about? how about cotto and fmj? didn't they come up in weight all the way to welter? OMG they use roids too! pfft.
and don't cry that Pac has put on a lot of weight in a short period, it since around superfeather, his fighting weight and walking weight have pretty much stayed the same, unless 3 pounds for you whiners is a big leap.
what went higher for pac in a short period are the weight classes he campaigned in, not his weight, period.
how 'bout Pac's power? he did not get freakishly powerful over a short period, he has always been a power puncher.
I thought this being a boxing forum meant that people understood that "moving up in weight diminishes your power" is not meant to be taken literally, where one's punches get weaker the higher he goes. contrary to that, with added muscle mass you may get stronger. The punches are said to be weaker not because the boxer becomes weaker, but because the opposition gets bigger, ergo they have better punch resistance than the lower divisions, rendering the smaller boxer's punch 'weaker'
Did Pac's punches get stronger? only to a certain extent, as he doesn't have to starve himself, but essentially not much power gained. contrary to what the 'roidmongers' would have us believe, he has reached his limit in 140. He is not roidlike stronger, but just that he has just peaked.
Proof, it took him a long time before disposing of bigger men (DLH and Diaz, Hatton was just soft IMO.)
Those small men who lasted against Pac were either great chinned (EM, since 2nd and 3rd fights he looked gassed than out) or wouldn't engage ( MAB2) or just recovered quickly and rarely got hit (JMM, even FMJ didn't KO him)
Did he get faster? I say watch his fights when he was 126 and below, and tell me if he got quicker. Sure he added good footwork, but he surely didn't get faster.
Is he on roids? My points raised say no. the tests say no. all we could do is watch and wait if he is caught, but for now he is by all means clean.
PS and no more shit like 'his head looks bigger = roids!' come on, you can do that based on pictures? sheesh
I'm having a hard time making a final prediction. I could see it going Cotto's way, due to his strength and counter-punching. I can also see it going Pacquiao's way, due to his speed and movement.
This is one fight that I'm just gonna have to sit back and watch, with an open mind.
If it goes via Cotto's way, how do you see it? 12 rounds at Cotto's pace due to his strength, or earlier stoppage? :D
If it goes Pac's way, would it be via decision, stoppage to cuts, quit a la DLH, KO, or referee stops it? :D
Talon, i see your point and i am actually open to the possibility that you may be more knowledgeable than on the topic..
..BUT the problem with this is that its your words against another's.
This is just the internet, we can go on until doomsday arguing, but in the end they are just words, not proof. in the end your opinion is yours, but it does not make you the authority on the matter, all we have are words, no evidence.
God knows there are millions of pretenders on the web ( i am not accusing you, but i can't take you're word for it)
in the end the most knowledgeable on the matter are those within Pac's inner circle.
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The catch weight Champion and his run at 7...what a ridiculous belt.
BTW, Pacman fought De La Hoya at 147lbs...so whats the deal? The jig is up.
Why do people still go about whining on the weight?
first,If i do remember correctly Pac weighed in at 142 for a 147 fight with ODLH.
It means Pac can't fill up near the WW limit, hence the catch weight now.
second, ODLH was in the 154 division, that's why him and pac fought at 147, no less. Cotto is smaller than ODLH since he fights at the 147 division, hence the 145 catch weight.
Now if Cotto was a 154 division fighter he would have been given the same considerations ODLH was given, that is, 147 and no less. but since he isn't then 145 is fair.
Now with that being said, i don't like it that the belt is on the line even on a catch weight. but you know what, Cotto feels its fine so quit crying.
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The catch weight Champion and his run at 7...what a ridiculous belt.
BTW, Pacman fought De La Hoya at 147lbs...so whats the deal? The jig is up.
sure he fought oscar at WW but he isnt really a true WW. name me any WW who's 142 at weighin and 147 fight night. you know most WW come in 155-160 at fight night right.
by champ's logic it means marquez, who has fought at a 144 fight even though he was only 142 at the scales. yup, JMN should campaign at 144 from now on, he made it to 144.
I swear threads like this give me the impression that its the haters who think Pac is God.
... I remember one Hatton fan post that he would cut his weener if Hatton lost to Pac. Now that is tragic.
by champ's logic, FMJ should now fight PWill at 154 should it ever happen, and not 147 since FMJ made it to a 154 fight against ODLH.
And quit whining for Cotto, if he wins or loses it won't be because of the catch-weight. ITS 1 FREAKIN POUND below 146.
besides, aren't you a floyd fan? let the Cotto Stans do the bitchin for their fighter.
Well blame Cotto for agreeing, he could have dropped his belt or fought someones else instead (clottey 2? PWill? Hatton for the $$$?). Obviously he feels he can do it.
Worrying so much for him is like thinking he's a dumbass who does not know what he is doing.
The WBO may have forced Cotto, but the rules pretty much said it could be on the line. The WBC diamond belt on the other hand, is the one riding on the hype.
Besides, fight is signed already, just sit back...
Unfortunately, casual fans make up the majority of Pacman's fan base.
I don't see anything wrong with this, really happens when you are popular...
As for the TS, oh FFS, in your attempt to make his fans look like idiots your you just made it more obvious how ignorant you are.
Pac has lost before, and even then he was huge in his country. Suicides? nah.
And its not like he's invulnerable, he's not known as a defensive wiz, so he could still lose anytime, and he's moving up in weight, so if he lost to Cotto, it just means he found his limit.