I was never impressed with Cintron. He's flat-footed, can't box that well, has two-left feet, and has no heart. The only thing he can do is punch. What adjustments can he make when he sees he can't hurt his opponent? The answer is none. He's fighting a guy who comes in great shape, and is prepared for a 12 round war every time out. Estrada has a good chin, and he's a good inside fighter. Cintron has shown the bitch quality in himself when he quit versus Margarito. Once a quitter, always a quitter. And he will get stopped late in this one. Bad morale fight.
Estrada late KO
Estrada will pressure Cintron until he folds. He has a good chin and good work rate on the inside. He can be hurt to the body though. This fight will depend on Cintron's work downstairs, and if he can do better against a fighter who will apply more pressure than Margarito (but doesn't hit as hard). I don't think Cintron can box that good, and I know he can't fight on the inside. I think Estrada will stop Cintron late, round 9 or 10.
Sounds like they're going all out, we'll see what happens. Personally, I think Wlad would KO Peter regardless of whether he had the extensive training or not, but that's just an opinion.
He definitely has the better skills out of the two. However, Wlad had better skills than POS and Brewster and we all saw what happened. Hopefully, he'll finally put it all together and put on a great showing. If not, Showtime will try their best to recycle him.
I think these matchups are interesting due to the styles of each fighter. I do believe Cotto is a little too technically sound for Corrales. Also, Cotto is the stronger fighter. Yes Corrales is a big lightweight, but he has never tested the waters at 140. And we all know Cotto is a jr. middleweight starving himself to make 140.
Hatton and Corrales would be a war as well. Hatton is also a jr. middleweight on fight night. People never see his unofficial weight on fight night because Showtime doesn't require an unofficial weigh in, and HBO does. Hatton and Corrales would be a war, probably ends up as a trilogy.
Corrales murders Pinto, and Floyd outboxes Chico for 12 lopsided rounds.
I definitely think judah will win. Floyd's not a welterweight. He has to gain weight to make weight. I think it will show when he's in the ring with Judah. Floyd's never fought a guy with Judah's speed and capabilities. Floyd's never faced a skilled boxer/puncher. If he gets rocked in this fight like he did with Corley, Mayweather takes a nap around 8.
santos was a super middleweight by fight time or somewhere around there. margarito would dispose of judah late in the fight. too big, too strong, and hes not dumb. just look at my av. hes a beast.
Not when they fought at welterweight. What's the excuse for the welterweigh fight?
Margarito didn't "blow" anything. He came in well prepard and focused and just lost due to sheer bad luck. Headbutt. Very simple concept.
Mayweather got wobbled by Corley, but that doesn't stop people from thinking he will beat Zab. Fact is, southpaws just get odd angles and can hit you from angles you are not prepared for, hurting you. Either way, Tony was on his way to a win in the rematch no ifs ands or buts about it.
No he wasn't.
I knew you didn't see the fight.
What a dumbass. If the fight is stopped by a cut, before the fourth round, the fight is ruled a No Contest. If the fight is stopped by a cut, after the fourth round, you go the score cards. Obviously, if he was on his way to winning the fight, the score cards should have indicated that. And it didn't, which is why Santos is credited with the victory.
Maybe it's YOU that didn't see the fight, or don't know to interpret what's really going on. Another one schooled.
Marg was ahead of one card, and that's a split decision. I see you read boxrec..good for you. Still need to watch the fight as you obviously have no clue what happened in it.
If the momentum is in marg's favor, it stands to reason he would win the fight after 12 rounds. He is a slow start after all. Again, you wouldn't know this because you don't watch much boxing.
First of all, to kill all of this "You didn't see the fight bullsh!t" Margarito fought Santos on the undercard of Cotto vs Pinto. I saw the goddamn fight. You guys act as if Margarito was dominating the fight, and he was NOT. His punch output per fight is usually around 1000 punches. He was NOT throwing punches against Santos, you dumbasses. He was hesitant because he has trouble fighting southpaw, which is what I stated in my first post. I saw the goddamn fight. I wanted him to win, but that does not mean he would have won.
Secondly, if the momentum is in Margarito's favor, it DOES NOT stand to reason he would win the fight after 12 rounds. Meldrick Taylor was kicking Chavez's ass round after round, but what happened in the twelveth round? He was stopped. Quartey was on his way to beating Oscar De La Hoya, but in the last two rounds, what happened? Oscar came back and won it. So, that kills that argument. Your arguments are as weak as your boxing knowledge.
Third, don't give me that Margarito is "slow starter" bullshIt. Did he start slow when he fought Hercules Kveylos? No. Styles make fights, and Santos' style is what made Margarito start slow.
Comparing Spinks to Mayweather is stupid IMO he is not even close yeah he is slick and this and that but hits like a strawweight and is just plain sorry IMO
But, he is a true welterweight. Like I said before you have every right to believe what you want. Spinks' style doesn't require him to sit down on his punches. He's a pure boxer. He's plays the thinkers game for 12 rounds. That's his style. Sweet Pea did the same thing, but if you REALLY know Whitaker you would know that when he did sit down on his punches he had a little pop. Also, are you implying that Mayweather has power? This is the same guy who had hand problems for years. Now, he uses Winning gloves (pillows), and he's supposed to be some big puncher?
.......Also Mosley far from kicked DLH ass You could make a case for DLH winning both of those fights but I won't go there.
Maybe in the second fight you can. The first fight should have been a UD for Mosley, hands down.
I think Floyd/Zab will be a great test for both fighters and expect this to turn into a great trilogy.I want Judah but it is very hard to make a prediction I am going to say Zab by MD or something close I doubt anyone gets kOed they will both surely be very cautious of each other IMO.
Mayweather will have on his track shoes.
Honestly, Zab's immaturity, in not utilizing the ten count to regain his faculties, cost him the fight. But, he never looked OUT to me. A guy who gets up before the one count is not out. However, he went crashing back into the canvas which is why Nady stopped the fight.
Still a great win by Tszyu, and a lesson well learned by Judah.
Well, there's no excuse for either fight, and there doesn't need to be. The welterweight fight was a NC after 1 round. I guess you didn't know that. Tony didn't lose.
Secondly, in their most recent fight Santos (a Puerto Rican) won a split decision IN Puerto Rico, and was obviously on his way to getting beaten when the fight was stopped, AGAIN, on a cut...caused by a headbutt.
Santos was lucky to escape with a win, even coming in there outweighing Tony by 10 lbs.
My point being is he had an opportunity to fight for a world title and blew it big time. In the second fight, I saw Margarito get wobbled by Santos. I didn't see Margarito cruising to victory. I saw a reluctant Margarito not throwing punches, and scared to take chances. Like I said before, Margarito doesn't fight southpaws too well.
Take a poll on the Floyd v. Vicky fight and see what the people say, let the people speak-if they pick Vicky then your right Im out of my mind but please gain let the people speak-not just the fine fine folks of Fresno.
If you are not impressed with PBF's perfromance against Sosa would you please analyze Zab's performance against Pineda? What the hell happened?
Remember I'll slap you boy.
A poll? I don't give a fuk what anyone thinks. I don't require your approval to make a post about boxing, or anyone elses. I've been involved in boxing for years. I trust my own eyes, and if people believe it so be it. If not, they have every right to believe what they want. What's your fukin problem?
They are not overrated. You have to analyze their respective careers during their respective eras. Trying to figure if they would dominate in this era is not fair. This is a more advance time in boxing, and boxing has evolved since then. So, no they aren't overrated.
not really, zab super glass jaw judah lost to SPINKS of all people, someone who isn't known for punching power.
So you're saying Mayweather is known for his punching power? :bsflag:
I've watched Margarito come up through the ranks for the last couple of years and I know he's a beast at 47. However, he would even tell you that he doesn't fight southpaws too well. I really believe he would dominate any conventional fighter, but Judah would do a number on him. Also, Lujan proved that if you slip and weave his punches he'll miss all night. Anybody that watched Margarito vs Lujan saw him missing lots of punches. It wasn't until the last two rounds of that fight where Margarito took his ear off. Judah by TKO late.
Anyone who has seen Bernerd Hopkins Beyond The Glory, could you please descibe the part when he breaks down in tears. I've heard about it, but don't have any details. Again, any help would be great. Cheers.
The FOX cast and Bernard Hopkins went back the Graterville (or some shit like that) Penitentiary. Bernard then found out the convicts painted a 20 feet mural of himself on the gym walls. Obviously, since Hop was a resident of Graterville, and he was getting choked up while reminiscing.
does anyone know anything about this guy? all i know is his boxing record. he was the longest reigning lightweight champion in history, he beat one of my polack boys Matt Zegan by MD, and lost the title to popo freitas. he finished his 10 year career at 37-1 with 22 KOs.
now since his hometown was hamburg and he fought mostly in germany (even though he was Uzbekistanian), that leads me to believe that most of his fights were also german robberies, like sven ottke.
can anyone tell me about this guy?
He beat Shane Mosley in the amateurs, as did Michelle Piccirillo, and Steve Quinonez. He was a solid amateur. I think he had over 300 wins. However, as history has proven, not all successful amateurs blossom into great professional careers. He did have an oK professional career, but too much time overseas. There were stellar matchups for him in the US, but he chose to do things his way. He's an ok boxer. I saw the fight with Popo. I thought Popo won, but I thought Freitas did too much running. He did hurt Gregorian in the fight though.
Are you smoking crack? I'm saying you didn't see the second fight (obviously) if you think Margarito wasn't on his way to a win. In the 1st fight it was a NO CONTEST after ONE round, dude.
One round.
No sh!t. You said Margarito was on his way to winning the second fight. I'm telling no he was NOT. He had a few good rounds, but if he was on his way to winning that fight he would have won by technical decision, and not Santos. period. Haven't you learned anything, junior.
Whoa whoa whoa your losing me here...
Congrats on watching both men come up thru the ranks, that makes you no different then thousands of members on this site-but congrats anyways.
Ok where do I start, first off there is no bigger JL Castillo fan on this site then myself and I agree Floyd lost that fight but to call it a robbery may be a bit harsh-your point is taken however.
Now you say that Floyd could have lost to Augustus? WTF-Floyd did take some punishment on that beautiful KO Nation afternoon bout but he did so basically on purpose (he likes to mix it up with lesser opponents-example CORLEY)...AT NO TIME WAS FLOYD EVER IN DANGER OF LOSING THAT FIGHT-that is a fact!
The point is we'll never know because they stopped the fight, and Augustus wasn't even hurt. He was starting to come on, and they stopped the fight. On any given night anybody can be beaten. The point is that Floyd benefited from HBO's favor.
Wow, you say Floyd lost to Vicky Sosa and that it was a bullshit decsion...cmon man-pm me and I will give you my cell number and during the next big fight you can call me and we can go over how you should score a fight...not even Sosa thinks he won that fight!
You must be out of your fukin mind. Everybody in Fresno was booing Floyd when the decision was announced. Mayweather didn't sh!t in the fight, but use his jab. Sosa outworked him, and should have gotten no less than a draw. PM me if you want to see the Mayweather Sosa fight again. Maybe rewatching it will refresh your memory.
NO thanks, I do NOT need your guidance to score fights. It seems to me you give fighters the first couple of rounds for basically showing up to the fight.
It is not time to compare Zab with Tommy Hearns, Zab is a powerful fighter no doubt but Hearns is in another league...again your right Zab is king.
I bet your a big Luis Collazo fan too!
You said 'Zab can be fast and have all the power in the world but if his whiskers dont worrk then he wont be the fighter that many think and hope he will be, you at the very least can agree with this right?'
And I mentioned Tommy Hearns because his whiskers weren't sturdy at all, and he became a legend and 5 division champ.
Responding to another post...I agree that Floyd is not a real or established Welterweight but I can say the same exact thing for Zab Judah.
Zab was iced by the the top 140 pounder in the world and I expect when he steps up and faces a big puncher at 147 the same result will happen.
You have every right to believe what you want. However, Mayweather was in the amateurs as a featherweight. Zab is a career 140lber. He's been there since the ams. The move to welterweight was a natural gain considering he's older and his body is stronger. Mayweather walks around at 146, and that's before going to training camp. He's a small guy. He has to gain weight to make weight. It's not a natural gain. He's not a welterweight.
I've watched both guys come up through the ranks. Only one of guys has had HBO's favor. Floyd could have lost vs Augustus (prematurely stopped), lost vs Castillo I(robbery), and lost vs Sosa (bullsh!t decision). Mayweather hasn't fought a credible opponent in the last three years. This will be the toughest fight to date.