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Stepping in with your jab can be dangerous - Juan Manuel Marquez Educates Juan Diaz

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  • #41
    yeah but what he is saying is that some boxers are programmed to step in with a commanding jab, thats good but a smart fighter is also programmed to deal with a commanding jab. If juan diaz changed up his speed and feinted a lot more, marquez would have had a harder time countering that.

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    • #42
      Damn now he made all his videos private, talk about an immature reaction.

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      • #43
        Throwing ANY punch can be dangerous.

        You leave yourself open every time your glove leaves your chin.

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        • #44
          Lulz What a ****

          reenactment of Benny and Barry's interaction.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Mikhnienko View Post
            Lulz What a ****

            reenactment of Benny and Barry's interaction.

            That was a hate crime!

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            • #46
              Here's my two cents:

              The JMM-Diaz vid reiterated what I already know (or think I know). When a fighter throws (and steps in) with a "lazy jab" then his opponent has an opportunity to counter over top with a straight right hand. We've seen it in boxing a hundreds of times. A fighter doesn't throw the jab with enough conviction and snap; or, when jabbing, the fighter brings back his hand and arm too low and allows the counter punch.

              When I practice my jab I always "step" even if I'm not moving around. I throw the jab fast and bring it back to my defensive stance quickly. To me, it's about executing the motion of this punch at all times even when you're exhausted and want a break. In the video, it looked like Juan Diaz was tired and beat up a little and he made the mistake of throwing it lazily and not bringing it back to his face to defend against the counter.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by BostonGuy View Post
                Here's my two cents:

                The JMM-Diaz vid reiterated what I already know (or think I know). When a fighter throws (and steps in) with a "lazy jab" then his opponent has an opportunity to counter over top with a straight right hand. We've seen it in boxing a hundreds of times. A fighter doesn't throw the jab with enough conviction and snap; or, when jabbing, the fighter brings back his hand and arm too low and allows the counter punch.

                When I practice my jab I always "step" even if I'm not moving around. I throw the jab fast and bring it back to my defensive stance quickly. To me, it's about executing the motion of this punch at all times even when you're exhausted and want a break. In the video, it looked like Juan Diaz was tired and beat up a little and he made the mistake of throwing it lazily and not bringing it back to his face to defend against the counter.
                i agree that was a very lazy jab from a tired fighter. My point is that even worse is that you only have 1 jab to begin with when there are 10+ ways you can throw a jab. 3 jabs from any stance up, down and up while moving is a great way to buy time/think. However when, how, and why you apply it is important. That's the mental aspect that I'm trying to invoke. Why things happen is essential to learning. Everyone knows that this Diaz's lazy jab got timed by a Smarter athlete with a more versatile technique. How, why, when, in training physically and mentally before one gets into the ring is what this video is hinting towards.

                I agree with your assessment of the fight but I don't agree you need to step in with your jab every time you throw it.

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                • #48
                  I've learned this lesson over and over and I'm STILL a sucker for the counter straight right lol. I tend to forget about it after a couple rounds.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Rockin' View Post
                    even if he hadn't stepped in he was going to get hit, he was timed perfectly.

                    honestly, not stepping in with a jab means you have nothing on it, just arm. If you are going to attack generally it will start with stepping in to range at some point.

                    every punch that can be thrown can have dangerous consequences whether you step in or not. Especially when timed like that.

                    I call spam........... Rockin'
                    Good post my man. I was taught from an early age to step in with the jab, and my favorite fighter of all time reinforced that logic to me in person.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Rockin' View Post
                      I'm not certain how to throw a jab, I just heard the term for the first time just last week.

                      Please do tell how you get leverage on a jab while moving backwards without breaking the momentum backwards, Einstein would be scratching his head at that comment....... Rockin'
                      Like i said.. you will always have the most amount of force when stepping in and the least when moving backwards. But if you have a good jab you can still get respectable force moving backwards, i never said as much as you would stepping in but still enough to stop someone in their tracks if well timed.

                      If you cant do that without stepping in you just dont have much of a jab. To be fair i have very long arms which helps me get leverage on the jab. I really just have to snap it from the shoulder to get someones attention. If i pivot slightly with the lead foot and turn my hips a bit even while moving backwards i get off a good jab.

                      But again my jab is wicked. I buckled people several times when i do step in with it. Being that its so good i dont need full leverage on it to make an impact. If you have a **** jab to begin with you might not be able to do that though, you might have to step in all the way to get something respectable off

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