Stepping in with your jab can be dangerous - Juan Manuel Marquez Educates Juan Diaz

[BarryRobinson]

I don't think that anyone said you should always step in with the jab. you are arguing two different points and if you are going to put a video up in a public forum, then you should st least be open to conversation about the subject you brought up.
it seems you are very sensitive about criticism and all people were saying is that the punch marquez landed was more perfect timing than a bad decision by diaz. sure you should vary your attack and i think diaz understands this very well being a former world champion.
I find your imaturity to be off putting, you said we should have a dicussion yet are unwilling to discuss without sarcasm and vaguely hidden insults.

I think you guys have too many rules. It's ok for me to rebuttal on a forum isn't it. Do I have to answer the way everyone else answers, do I have to accept what somebody else says, do I have to go along to get along. I hope not, that's boring. Beyond your rant I made two points above and backed those points up with videos. Somehow that approach insulted you. If you don't want to be apart of my threads because I'm "off putting" I understand. There are less "off putting" threads.

There are a lot of people personally are not for me however I'd be a fool to discredit them because of that. ie. I don't like Justin Beiber but I do agree with him, "you just got to believe".

Here is the time I took my time and reply'd with detailed answers and you respond with hate. Just go away bro.

[BarryRobinson]

Regarding JMM Timing a Punch. Something has to happen for him to time a punch. In this case Juan Diaz is stepping in with a jab, therefore stepping in with your jab Can be a dangerous thing to do.

[BarryRobinson]

Regarding JMM Timing a Punch. Something has to happen for him to time a punch. In this case Juan Diaz is stepping in with a jab, therefore stepping in with your jab Can be a dangerous thing to do.

Randall Bailey Jab & Straight Right Technique - Using the Jab in different ways tutorial

[Spit Dialect]

Stepping in with your jab CAN be dangerous. Especially if that's the only way you know how to throw it.


I thought going to the left with your jab as most fighters back in the day did was the most fundamental jab. ie. Sugar Ray Robinson, Vitali Klitschko, Nicolino Locche, Hector Camacho, Willie Pep are a few guys that have made careers, great careers taking their jab to the left as a basic fundamental. Also JMM has won a lot of fights off that basic fundamental. Mayweather used it in round 8 to set Hatton for a Check Hook in Round 9. However as all of you guys said, I might be very wrong. It's 2013 maybe times have progressed and stepping in with the Jab is the new basic fundamental that has no defensive ramifications, if the athlete is not a Master of distance with their Mind, Eyes, Arms, and Legs. Again it's quite possible you guys are right. Maybe this was a dumb video.

I also like "coming forward with a jab". I want to and prefer to talk about how and why. I think the knowledge of something and knowing how, why, and when are two separate things. I can show my lil sister a Mike Tyson fight that results in a KO. I can ask her how the fight ended and I'm sure she will tell me a guy got KTFO. That's common knowledge. I just figure here on a boxing forum in the training section we'd be discussing training, "strategy", and option(s) on a higher level. So sure I agree that sometimes you CAN step in with the jab however from a Training perspective and higher understanding I want to know why, how, and when. So I'm really happy each one of you have programmed stepping in with your jab regardless of your opponent it is into your muscle memory. Now since you have all mastered that and believe in it as your 1st option. Maybe you should consider adding a few more options. Better to have it and not need it then blah blah right.

Wow, are you 12 years old? seriously? so you want people to answer you, you want to have a discussion, but only your way i see. i would suggest you post videos without the option of people to respond, that way you can not get your panties in a ruffle and be open to actual discussion. nobody was disrespectful in the least, you responded with sarcasm and insults. you can respond anyway you would like and the posters have the right to answer back, even if its not on a "higher level" ..lol

[Prince Mongo]

Regarding JMM Timing a Punch. Something has to happen for him to time a punch. In this case Juan Diaz is stepping in with a jab, therefore stepping in with your jab Can be a dangerous thing to do.

Diaz was very square on stepping into that jab . When you are that square on you have given up range already and don't have the left shoulder protection on the jab. Also you will telegraph the jab more as it is not pumped like a piston from the shoulder (as would be tha case in the classic more side on stance) but will have a torso turn give away which is easier to read and counter.
Marquez is a counter puncher so he is looking to counter anything that is thrown at him. In this case Diaz got countered with a step in jab but he would have been nailed had he tried something else had he tried it. any attacking move against a counter puncher like Marques when he is in a balanced and poised set up is going to be dangerous.

[BarryRobinson]

Wow, are you 12 years old? seriously? so you want people to answer you, you want to have a discussion, but only your way i see. i would suggest you post videos without the option of people to respond, that way you can not get your panties in a ruffle and be open to actual discussion. nobody was disrespectful in the least, you responded with sarcasm and insults. you can respond anyway you would like and the posters have the right to answer back, even if its not on a "higher level" ..lol

Ok your right. My post was not correct, my response was immature, I'm sarcastic....moving on can you talk about the thread. Sometimes you guys be infatuated with ME. The thread is about boxing. Let's talk about boxing.

[BarryRobinson]

Diaz was very square on stepping into that jab . When you are that square on you have given up range already and don't have the left shoulder protection on the jab. Also you will telegraph the jab more as it is not pumped like a piston from the shoulder (as would be tha case in the classic more side on stance) but will have a torso turn give away which is easier to read and counter.
Marquez is a counter puncher so he is looking to counter anything that is thrown at him. In this case Diaz got countered with a step in jab but he would have been nailed had he tried something else had he tried it. any attacking move against a counter puncher like Marques when he is in a balanced and poised set up is going to be dangerous.

I agree with you which is exactly the point of the video.

It can be dangerous if that's all you have in your arsenal at a high level and you come up against a counter puncher..

[BennyST]

Ok your right. My post was not correct, my response was immature, I'm sarcastic....moving on can you talk about the thread. Sometimes you guys be infatuated with ME. The thread is about boxing. Let's talk about boxing.

It's pretty amazing that everyone on the board says exactly the same thing about you, and you just refuse to see that the common thread running through it all is you. Yes, Barry, everyone is wrong and the whole board is against you. You are the only person that thinks for themselves and isn't a sheep and a slave to conformity. Every single person, but you, is a blind fool. You are the only enlightened person here Barry.

You know that's called? Narcissism. That is the very definition of it. Pure self centred narcissism.

People try to discuss your videos, they bring up points you make, and the first thing you do, the very first thing you say, is the now boring sarcastic, petty insult reply.

Don't you get it Barry? Will you never learn mate? People try to talk to you and you act like an utter arrogant prick, without fail.

Titles can mislead people, as can a short video. You need to clarify and discuss points when they get brought up, not just get whiny like a little spoiled ***** and bring out the poor little victim routine. Drop the superiority act, lose the petty sarcasm and learn to discuss what you are trying to get across in the video by actually going over the video's points and clarify things in discussion. It'll go a long way and stop nearly every one of these threads.

[Spit Dialect]

Ok your right. My post was not correct, my response was immature, I'm sarcastic....moving on can you talk about the thread. Sometimes you guys be infatuated with ME. The thread is about boxing. Let's talk about boxing.

If it's about boxing, then let it be about boxing and who is "you guys"? I agreed with your point about not always stepping in with the jab. There's a million and one ways to throw the jab, you can throw it moving, stepping to the side, stepping in, standing still, going backwards, angle jab, up jab, the list goes on and on. I just think the specific example you used was more marquez showing impecable timing and not so much diaz making a mistake.

Marquez is one of the greatest counter punchers to ever live, he counters jabs in his sleep and when you look at that specific jab, he steps inside instead of out and throws the right hand on top of the jab. it's almost not a slip but rather just a beautifully timed right hand over the jab. Let's remember that diaz fought marquez twice and lost twice, bad style match up for him. his mistake wasn't the way he threw the jab, it was fighting marquez in the first place.
Nobody is infatuated with you, you just make a thousand threads and then get upset when someone says something you don't like.

[BarryRobinson]

It's pretty amazing that everyone on the board says exactly the same thing about you, and you just refuse to see that the common thread running through it all is you. Yes, Barry, everyone is wrong and the whole board is against you. You are the only person that thinks for themselves and isn't a sheep and a slave to conformity. Every single person, but you, is a blind fool. You are the only enlightened person here Barry.

You know that's called? Narcissism. That is the very definition of it. Pure self centred narcissism.

People try to discuss your videos, they bring up points you make, and the first thing you do, the very first thing you say, is the now boring sarcastic, petty insult reply.

Don't you get it Barry? Will you never learn mate? People try to talk to you and you act like an utter arrogant prick, without fail.

Titles can mislead people, as can a short video. You need to clarify and discuss points when they get brought up, not just get whiny like a little spoiled ***** and bring out the poor little victim routine. Drop the superiority act, lose the petty sarcasm and learn to discuss what you are trying to get across in the video by actually going over the video's points and clarify things in discussion. It'll go a long way and stop nearly every one of these threads.

Id be curious how you'd address me in person. I wonder if you'd keep that same tone or those words would come out of your mouth at all. I'm just curious mate.