Better legacy Trinidad or De La Hoya??

[!! Mr. Soprano]

I saw him lose 1 fight on the cards, the first Mosley fight.
He beat ike, beat pernell, beat tito and beat mosley the second time.

agree with you on that one

[Del Coqui]

That is a pretty weak attempt to discredit one of the best resume's of all time.
Tito's just doesnt even come close.

I'm not the one to discredit his resume. He did that on his own, I do agree however he's an all time great. Find out how many common fighters they fought and then who beat them first and what record they had when they fought DLH, that should clear the picture a little bit for you.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Overall accomplishments and difficulty of fighters is apparent. Also, you look at the way Tito has lost as opposed to DLH. DLH has lost some close fights and whatnot.... Tito was exposed by DLH, Hopkins, and Winky to be the 1 dimensional fighter he was.

Cheato Triniwraps will be glorifiend by PR's as an attempt to 1 up the Mexicans who get the Golden Boy, who has the far superior career.

[Del Coqui]

Overall accomplishments and difficulty of fighters is apparent. Also, you look at the way Tito has lost as opposed to DLH. DLH has lost some close fights and whatnot.... Tito was exposed by DLH, Hopkins, and Winky to be the 1 dimensional fighter he was.

Cheato Triniwraps will be glorifiend by PR's as an attempt to 1 up the Mexicans who get the Golden Boy, who has the far superior career.

You know, you hit it right on the nail with the overall accomplishments argument, but take into consideration Oscar's biggest accomplishment and what made him the Golden Boy was his gold medal in the olympics. Difficulty of fighters, again, compare their common fighters which were there toughest tests (with the exception of Moseley) and look who beat them first. Tito is a one dimensional fighter, and got exposed by DLH, no doubt. His 2 loses came by a wider margin than Oscar's, but take into consideration how many losses Oscar has and how many gifts he has gotten for being the Golden Boy.

[Soldier01]

Vargas was still the same fighter after tito, after tito beat vargas up. Vargas easily won two fights in a row by tko and won the wba title again before facing oscar.

I will not get into who had the better legacy because at this point it just opinions but, I will definitely disagree with you on the fact that you say Vargas was the same after tito. NO WAY! Vargas wasn't the same after Tito and plenty of folks who knew the way Fernando fought can tell you that.

You can immediately tell the kind of fighter he was after the tito fight when Vargas stepped into the ring with Wilfredo Vargas & was knocked down by a punch that before the tito fight wouldn't have brought him down. For the record I'm one of the biggest "Feroz" supporters around.

[Dirt E Gomez]

His 2 loses came by a wider margin than Oscar's, but take into consideration how many losses Oscar has and how many gifts he has gotten for being the Golden Boy.

Don't confuse close fights with gifts. Losing by 1 round and having the judges see it in your favor isn't a robbery or a gift.... it's just what it appears to be, a close fight.

[Del Coqui]

Don't confuse close fights with gifts. Losing by 1 round and having the judges see it in your favor isn't a robbery or a gift.... it's just what it appears to be, a close fight.

I'm not confusing them, I saw those fights as an Oscar fan and still think he lost, they were close fights however.

[raymon123]

Superior competition? Hmmm, like Sturm, Castillejo? Not to mention Trindad leftovers and washed up Campas and washed up JCC.

How was chavez a wash up fighter? i'm getting sick of the wash up chavez crap. Wasn't chavez back in 1995 i think still a great fighter? wasn't chavez still the wbc superlightweight champion before he fought oscar? i mean god damn. chavez was only i believe 36 years old, the same age that hopkins took tito to school. But nobody of the oscar haters will mention that. The bottomline is this, oscar beat the hell out of chavez when chavez was the champion and was the man at 140 pounds before oscar beat the living crap out of chavez. Oscar is the only fighter ever to stop chavez and he did that earlier. I bet ya if tito would have beat hopkins alot of tito haters will say tito became undisputed champion by beating up a wash up 36 years old hopkins.

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how many ppl not from puertorico voted for tito?

[donchicho21]

So many things that irk me in this argument...

1- A close fight is generally regarded as a controversial fight. That does not mean that the Winner is not a justified winner it just means that there was some contoversy surrounding it. This doesn't take away from the final result, or at least it shouldn't, when discussing a legacy. It is a fact that both DLH and Tito had contoversial wins, that is boxing. None of that should deter from the overall legacies.

2- Tito vs DLH fans will only agree to disagree. There is no point in even discussing this issue at this point. Supreme nuthuggers (Raymon stands out in this one) will not be convinced either way so why try?

3- In the boxing ring it should be agreed that their legacies are very similar, an argument can be made for either one. It is the marketability of DLH, the "golden boy" that puts him over the top, fair or not. The same issue is seen in conversations about other greats such as Leonard vs Hagler vs Duran. Sugar Ray usually is the person most casual boxing fans would pick. This is the same with DLH. Although all boxers named here are greats and arguments can be made for all of them in regards to "GOAT" arguments and such.

4- Vargas was not the same fighter after the Tito fight and Tito demolished him, he did not cheat, that is pure garbage.

There is so much more that i can state but that is it for now....