Mayweather Did More Damage to Boxing Than the UFC Ever Did

[RightJabLikeZab]

Boxing damages itself with or without Floyd. And it's been 5 years and it's the same script with marinating, garbage stay busy fights and promoters not truly working together.

[djtmal]

Floyd is as talented and highly skilled a fighter as we have ever seen. Fans paid more for his tickets than any other fighter in the same arena. To suggest the sweet science was an issue isn't supported by any data.

Casual fans appreciated his dominance more than you did because it was the guys you liked and picked to beat him that Floyd was dominating. You surely can't speak with any reasonable validity as to why people purchased tickets or the PPV. All you can do is tell us why you did-if you purchased his fights just to se him lose than that says a lot about you as a petty and childish person.

True, Floyd's fights lacked drama like many ATG's. That is because there was no one on his level, despite the fact the networks marketed them as such and fans like you believed it. Frazier was almost as good as Ali, Duran was a good as Lenoard, hell Ward and Gatti were evenly matched. Hence great fights.

Floyd is just far superior to Canelo, Manny, Jmm and Shane, ODH gave him a fight. Cotto gave him a great fight. The others and Hatton and Corrales didn't. That is on them. Like I said, casual fans celebrate Floyd's greatness. Guys like you whine and cry.

What you think is some kind of diss actually proves my point. Because Floyd was involved, those fights were PPV. Without Floyd, those are regular fights. That is what Floyd did for the sport-provided a platform where lesser known guys got huge exposure they otherwise wouldn't.

Only a real idiot, or someone who just really hates Floyd, would see this as a negative.

PPV/Closed Circuit was when you knew you was going to witness something special. Two evenly matched guys at the top of their prime throwing down for supremacy. Not just one clown fighting a guy who ain't on his level to begin with or is too washed.

Floyd was good for the sport of Floyd overrall. Not the sport of boxing.

If casuals paid more for the tickets it wasn't because of the validity of the opponent, but more for some of the antics his Money May character was doing. Like that stunt where he had an all out disagreement with his father in the gym, his father was a character too so that added on to the circus. I couldn't imagine paying more for a Victor Ortiz ticket, when he was mediocre at best against Guerrero.

Floyd wasn't above selling out to make an extra buck. Casual fans for the most part paid to see him lose, and pretty much were on the merry go round, but good for Floyd he made sure he kept non threats in front of him whether it was a slow, flat footed, short armed paper champ, or a faded guy with a name.

[The Big Dunn]

PPV/Closed Circuit was when you knew you was going to witness something special. Two evenly matched guys at the top of their prime throwing down for supremacy. Not just one clown fighting a guy who ain't on his level to begin with or is too washed.

Floyd was good for the sport of Floyd overrall. Not the sport of boxing.

If casuals paid more for the tickets it wasn't because of the validity of the opponent, but more for some of the antics his Money May character was doing. Like that stunt where he had an all out disagreement with his father in the gym, his father was a character too so that added on to the circus. I couldn't imagine paying more for a Victor Ortiz ticket, when he was mediocre at best against Guerrero.

Floyd wasn't above selling out to make an extra buck. Casual fans for the most part paid to see him lose, and pretty much were on the merry go round, but good for Floyd he made sure he kept non threats in front of him whether it was a slow, flat footed, short armed paper champ, or a faded guy with a name.

As with your previous post your criticism is really praise. No one being on Floyd's level is not Floyd's fault. Casual fans see this and that is why they don't tune in when the guys lesser than him fight each other in more evenly matched fights.

Floyd was good for the sport and himself. He wasn't good for petty and childish fans of his opponents because his dominating them turned them off to casual fans. Casual fans didn't reward the guys like Manny and Canelo who refused to actually try and beat Floyd but instead just quit while he damn near blanked them.

Again, you can't speak intelligently about the choices of other people. You don't like Floyd. You like his primary opponent, a guy Floyd easily beat. You have a warped, jealous, butt hurt view of things that doesn't match up with reality. As with every other fighter, people paid to see Floyd because they liked watching him.

In reality, Floyd sold tickets and PPV's in large volumes at high prices. Casual fans flocked to his fights. He even had the highest number of illegal streams for his fights while also having the highest number of sales. The only thing not good for the sport is the theft of service. Is that Floyd's fault? Of course not.

You can denigrate Floyd anyway you wish. Any review of any relevant data shows Floyd elevated the sport. Unfortunately, other boxers can copy his style and his fight progression, but unfortunately they can't fool the casual sports fan into making them buy their fights.

Sorry but it's not Floyd's fault other fighters lack his charisma and talent that draws in the casual fans at the rate Floyd did.

[djtmal]

Just like djtmal, what you think is supposed to be a diss shows exactly why Floyd was great for the sport.

He was a fighter that couldn't really draw despite his high KO ratio and quality wins. Yes, he was the B side to Gatti. Floyd went to his hometown and beat the ever living sh-t out of Gatti (RIP). Casual fans saw this and gravitated toward Floyd. Guys like you hated on it because he beat a guy you loved.

Then, when ODH finally manned up and gave him the fight, Floyd took advantage of the opportunity. He "sold the fight", linked with 50 Cent, drove 24/7 to Emmy winning status, creating a new industry standard that has helped fighters and networks market PPV fights.

Then he went out and won clearly. It wasn't a dominant KO but it was a clear win and casual fans saw that. That is why they continued to buy his fights.

Mr. Honda is one of the most successful businessman in Japan. He saw an opportunity to make money and increase the profile of his sports company so he linked with Floyd for the exhibition. It worked . Everyone got paid handsomely. How does that hurt the sport?

Well the Money May persona just got worse and worse and casuals consistently paid to see him lose. I don't see how that is so good for the sport as much as it is for Floyd.

There's some guys that are as good as Floyd, I just don't think they are willing to sell their soul like Floyd did.

Boxing needs to get back to making fights where both guys are evenly matched and in their prime.

[1bad65]

Floyd elevated the hype/promotion end of the sport but the sweet science part was the problem once you bought the seat in the arena or purchased the ppv.


Ali, Srl, even Oscar; those guys put on great fights more often than not even when they lost; Floyd created a character people for the most part loathed; he didn't promise you a great fight he just wanted you to buy his ppv which imo watered down the ppv format

People for the most part paid to see Floyd lose so all Floyd had to do was make sure the opponent wasn't much of a threat. Being undefeated for Floyd was a major part of the gimmick.

Floyd fights never delivered on the hype and the buildup that the Money May character lead you to believe on the 24/7's and all the promotion. Unless you just love to see Floyd in one sided affairs, you always walked away with a bad taste in your mouth.

Honestly without the Money May character these fights would have only been WCB worthy:

Floyd vs. Guerrero
Floyd vs. Ortiz
Floyd vs. Madonna 2x
Floyd vs. Berto
Floyd vs. Lightweight Marquez

Very well said.


A good drawing fighter needs two things, a persona/story that draws fans in and a style they enjoy watching in the ring.

Some have both, while some have alot of one and not so much of the other but they still draw money.

[The Big Dunn]

Well the Money May persona just got worse and worse and casuals consistently paid to see him lose. I don't see how that is so good for the sport as much as it is for Floyd.

There's some guys that are as good as Floyd, I just don't think they are willing to sell their soul like Floyd did.

Boxing needs to get back to making fights where both guys are evenly matched and in their prime.

No matter how many times you post it will not make it true. You have no idea why people paid to watch Floyd other than they liked watching him.

On the one hand, you claim he only fought people that had no chance to win. Then you argue casual fans paid to see him lose. Which begs the question why would anyone pay to see him lose if he was only picking guys that had no chance to win as you previously posted?

You are so petty and childish with your hate that you are submarining your own arguments against Floyd.

No they weren't as good as Floyd in the eyes of the casual fan. They watched the same fights we did. They watched Floyd win these fights going away. What you want is them to watch Floyd dominate and win, and then feel the same about the losers as they do Floyd. That isn't logical, rational thought.

Boxing can't make fights like that with Floyd because there weren't any fighters evenly matched. Boxing can't make ODH or Shane fight Floyd when they were prime. Boxing can't make Manny take PED testing and fight Floyd in his prime. Boxing can't make Manny take $40 mil to fight Floyd instead of $28 mil to fight JMM again.

Therein lies the problem-you are asking boxing to do something only boxers can do. Not until you ask the guys you like to do these things they didn't will the sport get better.

For example- Manny ducking Spence and Crawford in favor of Ryan Garcia. When the biggest name in the sport doesn't fight and then his comeback is some Tennie bopper fake matinee idol non LW champion at WW, What casual fan wants to see that?

Sorry dude but you can't fool the casual fans into making them want to see lesser talent. They want to see the best. That is and was Floyd, regardless of whether you and others will ever admit it.

[djtmal]

As with your previous post your criticism is really praise. No one being on Floyd's level is not Floyd's fault. Casual fans see this and that is why they don't tune in when the guys lesser than him fight each other in more evenly matched fights.

Floyd was good for the sport and himself. He wasn't good for petty and childish fans of his opponents because his dominating them turned them off to casual fans. Casual fans didn't reward the guys like Manny and Canelo who refused to actually try and beat Floyd but instead just quit while he damn near blanked them.

Again, you can't speak intelligently about the choices of other people. You don't like Floyd. You like his primary opponent, a guy Floyd easily beat. You have a warped, jealous, butt hurt view of things that doesn't match up with reality. As with every other fighter, people paid to see Floyd because they liked watching him.

In reality, Floyd sold tickets and PPV's in large volumes at high prices. Casual fans flocked to his fights. He even had the highest number of illegal streams for his fights while also having the highest number of sales. The only thing not good for the sport is the theft of service. Is that Floyd's fault? Of course not.

You can denigrate Floyd anyway you wish. Any review of any relevant data shows Floyd elevated the sport. Unfortunately, other boxers can copy his style and his fight progression, but unfortunately they can't fool the casual sports fan into making them buy their fights.

Sorry but it's not Floyd's fault other fighters lack his charisma and talent that draws in the casual fans at the rate Floyd did.

You don't have to hate Floyd to keep it a buck on him.

You get butt-hurt at anyone who keeps it a buck on Floyd.

Anybody who is barking up the right tree on Floyd, your objective is to assassinate their character. Call them haters, name call, and do all that petty stuff you accusing me of. You Floyd Boys are the biggest hypocrites.

Floyd was good at getting people to buy his ppvs no doubt about that, but more often than not you walked away from the fights wondering why you bought it in the first place. That is not good for the sport imo. In typical Floyd Boy fashion, you finger point at the other guy. Never want to hold your boy accountable for nothing. I really don't blame a lot of these guys for not adopting Floyd's snake oil salesman approach to promoting their brand.

[The Big Dunn]

You don't have to hate Floyd to keep it a buck on him.

You get butt-hurt at anyone who keeps it a buck on Floyd.

Anybody who is barking up the right tree on Floyd, your objective is to assassinate their character. Call them haters, name call, and do all that petty stuff you accusing me of. You Floyd Boys are the biggest hypocrites.

Floyd was good at getting people to buy his ppvs no doubt about that, but more often than not you walked away from the fights wondering why you bought it in the first place. That is not good for the sport imo. In typical Floyd Boy fashion, you finger point at the other guy. Never want to hold your boy accountable for nothing. I really don't blame a lot of these guys for not adopting Floyd's snake oil salesman approach to promoting their brand.

I'm not butt hurt in any way. I am arguing that any relevant data shows Floyd helped the sport. I called you petty and childish because of what you posted. You don't want to discuss the relevant information because it proves your opinion is incorrect.

Again, how you walked away from the fight is how you did. That doesn't mean the casual fans did. Proof that they didn't is they continued to purchase his fights and buy tickets to the fights.

You keep wanting your opinion and the opinion of a few other posters that admittedly don't like Floyd to represent everyone's opinion. It doesn't and it never will. You may not think it's good for the sport but that is rooted in your agenda, not reality.

Yes, other guys have tried to do the same thing Floyd has done. It doesn't work because they are not as good as Floyd, a point I keep making.

For example-Floyd won as a boxer puncher with a high KO ratio and won as arguably the best defensive guy we've ever seen. What other fighter has the skill to do that? Casual fans see this and they see the lack of this ability in other guys to do same.

Being a master of your craft and drawing casual fans in record numbers isn't bad for the sport. Anyone who says it is frankly is either ******, has an anti Floyd agenda, or both.

The problem here is you and others are not adult enough to just give Floyd credit. Instead, you try to re litigate his career and make everything negative because the guys you like couldn't beat him and because he was able to monetize himself in ways you only wish the guys you like could.

You need to let it go. God just blesses all of us differently.

[anonymous2.0]

[Bandman]

We should designate one month "blame Floyd" month.