Did Floyd ever take a "Risk" in his career?

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  • VG_Addict
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    #61
    Fighters take a risk every time they get in the ring.

    It's not Floyd's fault he was just so much better than everyone he fought.

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    • QueensburyRules
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      #62
      Originally posted by VG_Addict
      Fighters take a risk every time they get in the ring.

      It's not Floyd's fault he was just so much better than everyone he fought.
      - -Fighting TBAs by the end. Even needed Bayliss to tagteam Banty Tenshin.

      Not a ducker, rather a Sissyboy.

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        #63
        Originally posted by The Big Dunn
        The problem with your question is your judging your opinion based on outcome.

        All you need to do is check the odds before each of his fights. Once you do that, then you have the answer as to if he took risks because fighting people favored to beat you would have to be a risk.

        For instance the Corrales fight. Corrales was favored going in. Floyd destroyed him.

        As for size, every fight above 140 except Ghost, Manny and Hatton, were fights where he was the smaller guy.

        As for great fighters, I think we can agree Manny, jmm, cotto, canelo, Shane, odh and Genaro will be HOF’ers at some point.

        No that guy had it correct. All of those guys are fighters in or around Floyd's weight class that he was expected to fight. There's not too much risk in that. It was more of a risk for a past prime Oscar to fight Floyd status wise, because Oscar had everything to lose if he lost to Floyd which he did.

        Floyd didn't want to take no type of risks especially after Hatton.
        Most of those guys were short, slow, flat footed guys with no reach. The better guys like Shane, Cotto and Manny the risk was far lower than when they were in their prime. Floyd backed out of the fight with Winky that would have been a legit risk but nope. Amir Khan would have been a risk stylewise because he had height/reach and could match Floyd speed wise but nope Floyd cherrypicked another slow, flat footed, short armed, come forward fighter in Marcos Madonna.

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          #64
          Originally posted by djtmal
          No that guy had it correct. All of those guys are fighters in or around Floyd's weight class that he was expected to fight. There's not too much risk in that. It was more of a risk for a past prime Oscar to fight Floyd status wise, because Oscar had everything to lose if he lost to Floyd which he did.

          Floyd didn't want to take no type of risks especially after Hatton.
          Most of those guys were short, slow, flat footed guys with no reach. The better guys like Shane, Cotto and Manny the risk was far lower than when they were in their prime. Floyd backed out of the fight with Winky that would have been a legit risk but nope. Amir Khan would have been a risk stylewise because he had height/reach and could match Floyd speed wise but nope Floyd cherrypicked another slow, flat footed, short armed, come forward fighter in Marcos Madonna.
          Don't base it on the odds before the fight like we do with every other pro fighter because that way we can actually answer the question honestly.

          Instead, create a different measure just for Floyd where you list the guys he didn't fight and claim they were the only risk fights.

          Got it.

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          • miniq
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            #65
            Quite simply - No.

            Floyd is one of the smartest of all time, raised in boxing.

            He understands that boxing is a cruel mistress, it doesn't let you off easy.

            One of the biggest missteps I saw from him in 10 years simply him underestimating Maidana. Fine details.

            Floyd took every advantage he could and always got it.

            Gloves, IV bags, refs, judges, venue you name it. Heavy A-side. Stacked what should be a level playing field in his favor.

            Wladimir Klitschko was the same. How many canvases do you think he had padded out against the midget plodders he fought?

            Have to understand Floyd's career changed after he ditched Bob Arum and started getting major hand issues, became full defense & prolonged a career that could easily have been ended early with a simple mis-step.

            He spent the last 10 years with a perfectly planned & managed career that earned him hundreds of millions of dollars. Can you blame him?
            Last edited by miniq; 01-28-2021, 01:04 PM.

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              #66
              Originally posted by miniq
              Quite simply - No.

              Floyd is one of the smartest of all time, raised in boxing.

              He understands that boxing is a cruel mistress, it doesn't let you off easy.

              One of the biggest missteps I saw from him in 10 years simply him underestimating Maidana. Fine details.

              Floyd took every advantage he could and always got it.

              Gloves, IV bags, refs, judges, venue you name it. Heavy A-side. Stacked what should be a level playing field in his favor.

              Wladimir Klitscko was the same. How many canvases do you think he had padded out against the midget plodders he fought?
              10 years? He turned pro in 1996. What about all the fights where he wasn't the A-side pre ODH?

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              • miniq
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                #67
                Originally posted by The Big Dunn
                10 years? He turned pro in 1996. What about all the fights where he wasn't the A-side pre ODH?
                I'm talking exclusively about this period where it's evident that he was risk-adverse. When he became money mayweather.

                Floyd was well ahead of his peers in the lower weight categories, he could fight the best & win. Some level of risk was worth it. Morales is always the name that people like to throw out. Could he have fought him?

                Maybe..maybe not. He wasn't a "free agent" back then & you're not expected to jump in the deep end every other fight whilst building up to your peak.

                To this day Floyds greatest victory wasn't in the ring, it was buying his way out of his Top Rank Bob Arum contract

                Terence Crawford take notes. Hiding under Bob's desk in obscurity.
                Last edited by miniq; 01-28-2021, 01:10 PM.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by miniq
                  I'm talking exclusively about this period where it's evident that he was risk-adverse. When he became money mayweather.

                  Floyd was well ahead of his peers in the lower weight categories, he could fight the best & win. Some level of risk was worth it. Morales is always the name that people like to throw out. Could he have fought him?

                  Maybe..maybe not. He wasn't a "free agent" back then & you're not expected to jump in the deep end every other fight whilst building up to your peak.

                  To this day Floyds greatest victory wasn't in the ring, it was buying his way out of his Top Rank Bob Arum contract

                  Terence Crawford take notes. Hiding under Bob's desk in obscurity.
                  OK that seems unfair.. Even if you do, shouldn't it be based on the odds of the fight?

                  With all due respect Morales was a much bigger earner at that point. So why wouldn't you hold it against Morales for not fighting him instead of Floyd?

                  Come on dude. The overwhelming majority of people questioned his move from TR when it was announced. It turned out to be the best thing for him because it allowed him the chance to fight ODH. When he got that opportunity, he took full advantage of it.

                  Your kind of penalizing him for being great. At that point the only way he would've been an underdog is to go out of his weight class to fight a much larger man. When has the top earner in the sport fought a bigger guy where he would be the underdog?

                  Appreciate the response.

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                  • Larry the boss
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Outwest Exp 355
                    Risk fights for normal dudes are cake walks for Floyd.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^yep^^^^^^^^^

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Xi Jinping
                      The biggest risk that Floyd took to prove his warrior mentality is when he took the fight with Berto.
                      no it's mcgregor to be specific..

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