How can people seriously believe Pacquiao is greater than Floyd

[The Big Dunn]

There is no rematch rule that I am aware of. My point is some fights deserve a rematch, some don't.

Manny/Morales deserved a rematch because even though Morales won, Manny had a very strong 12th and you could argue if it went 15 rounds Manny may have won. Manny/Bradley warranted a rematch because Manny got robbed in the eyes of most people.

Floyd/manny didn't warrant a rematch

Pac is the biggest name on Floyd's resume. It was a trilogy fight when first fight was signed regardless of fi rst fight outcome.
So what changed? Was first fight so boring no-one wanted 2nd?

The fight didn't warrant a rematch because it wasn't close. Manny didn't sign when the fight was 1st signed. He refused. I don't know that a rematch clause was included when Manny finally signed.

[blowblow]

There is no rematch rule that I am aware of. My point is some fights deserve a rematch, some don't.

Manny/Morales deserved a rematch because even though Morales won, Manny had a very strong 12th and you could argue if it went 15 rounds Manny may have won. Manny/Bradley warranted a rematch because Manny got robbed in the eyes of most people.

Floyd/manny didn't warrant a rematch

man we are talking about who's the better fighter here.. 1 win doesn't finalized who's the greatest between the two. it's like taking away the determining factor from something that is critical or crucial.. you know they are the face of the boxing that people waited for so long which happened a little too late and out of someone's prime. look at what happened to dela hoya vs floyd.. Many believe that DLH won their bout but since there's no rematch this looks like that floyd is the better fighter. the scorecards were close where most of the witness are in favor of DLH. shouldn't this bout have a rematch? or floyd didn't want any risk at all?

it's like saying that if you lose the arguments with me once then i'm better than you.

[djtmal]

The fight didn't warrant a rematch because it wasn't close. Manny didn't sign when the fight was 1st signed. He refused. I don't know that a rematch clause was included when Manny finally signed.

Marcos Madonna landed more clinches than Floyd, so the fight deserved a rematch. Floyd definitely outclinched him in the rematch.

[djtmal]

The fight didn't warrant a rematch because it wasn't close. Manny didn't sign when the fight was 1st signed. He refused. I don't know that a rematch clause was included when Manny finally signed.

That was a fight? What fight. Whatever it was, it was inconclusive and that is being generous.

[The Big Dunn]

man we are talking about who's the better fighter here.. 1 win doesn't finalized who's the greatest between the two. it's like taking away the determining factor from something that is critical or crucial.. you know they are the face of the boxing that people waited for so long which happened a little too late and out of someone's prime. look at what happened to dela hoya vs floyd.. Many believe that DLH won their bout but since there's no rematch this looks like that floyd is the better fighter. the scorecards were close where most of the witness are in favor of DLH. shouldn't this bout have a rematch? or floyd didn't want any risk at all?

it's like saying that if you lose the arguments with me once then i'm better than you.

The better fighter is clearly Floyd. Prior to 140, Floyd was a boxer puncher with speed and a high KO %. When he moved to the bigger weight classes he became arguably the greatest defensive fighter in the history of the sport. How many men have been able to do that?

There are not that many people that legitimately think Floyd lost to ODH and you know that. Because its Floyd, you will count certain opinions as valid even though you clearly see the opinion is formed to grind an axe against Floyd. I agree there could've been a rematch for that fight. The reason the rematch didn't happen had nothing to do with fear, but you have an axe to grind agaisnt Floyd so you make it about that. Ok.

That isn't the same as Floyd/Manny. That fight didn't warrant a rematch.

[blowblow]

The better fighter is clearly Floyd. Prior to 140, Floyd was a boxer puncher with speed and a high KO %. When he moved to the bigger weight classes he became arguably the greatest defensive fighter in the history of the sport. How many men have been able to do that?

There are not that many people that legitimately think Floyd lost to ODH and you know that. Because its Floyd, you will count certain opinions as valid even though you clearly see the opinion is formed to grind an axe against Floyd. I agree there could've been a rematch for that fight. The reason the rematch didn't happen had nothing to do with fear, but you have an axe to grind agaisnt Floyd so you make it about that. Ok.

That isn't the same as Floyd/Manny. That fight didn't warrant a rematch.

this is something unfinished for me.. and i really doubt it will happen again since they are both old now. so i cannot conclude who is better between them. but i'm leaning towards pac with no hate on floyd since pac is dominant with their common opponents. more aggressive and fight the best.

[djtmal]

The better fighter is clearly Floyd. Prior to 140, Floyd was a boxer puncher with speed and a high KO %. When he moved to the bigger weight classes he became arguably the greatest defensive fighter in the history of the sport. How many men have been able to do that?

There are not that many people that legitimately think Floyd lost to ODH and you know that. Because its Floyd, you will count certain opinions as valid even though you clearly see the opinion is formed to grind an axe against Floyd. I agree there could've been a rematch for that fight. The reason the rematch didn't happen had nothing to do with fear, but you have an axe to grind agaisnt Floyd so you make it about that. Ok.

That isn't the same as Floyd/Manny. That fight didn't warrant a rematch.

Floyd's pops said on national tv that he thought Oscar beat him.

Floyd was too scared to make a fight with Manny in 2010, and most definitely a rematch could have been made, due to how inconclusive it was.

Floyd Boys will definitely gloat over Floyd barely outpointing Manny in an inconclusive Floyd clinch-a-thon though.

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Did some auditing on how accomplished the fighters Pac & Floyd beat (on paper) at the time they fought them by number of world title scalps on their resume:

Pac:
Dela Hoya - 24
Morales - 17, 17 (rematch)
Barrera - 16, 21 (rematch)
Mosley - 15
Cotto - 9
Margarito - 10
Bradley - 9, 11 (rematch)
Larios - 8
Marquez - 6, 9 (rematch)
Ledwaba - 6
Broner - 6
Thurman - 3
Hatton - 3
Sasakul - 3
Julio - 3
Diaz - 1
Clottey - 1
Algieri - 1
Vargas - 1

Floyd:
Dela Hoya - 24
Pacquiao - 15
Mosley - 15
Cotto - 11
Judah - 9
Marquez - 7
Canelo - 7
Berto - 7
Gatti - 6
Guerrero - 5
Hernandez - 4
Corrales - 4
Castillo - 3, 3 (rematch)
Hatton - 3
Corley - 3
Maidana - 2, 2 (rematch)
Baldomir - 2
Vargas - 1
Mitchell - 1
Ortiz - 1


Pac is greater than Floyd

[tritium_arma]

Imagine that, people having different opinions on subjective things.

[blowblow]

Did some auditing on how accomplished the fighters Pac & Floyd beat (on paper) at the time they fought them by number of world title scalps on their resume:

Pac:
Dela Hoya - 24
Morales - 17, 17 (rematch)
Barrera - 16, 21 (rematch)
Mosley - 15
Cotto - 9
Margarito - 10
Bradley - 9, 11 (rematch)
Larios - 8
Marquez - 6, 9 (rematch)
Ledwaba - 6
Broner - 6
Thurman - 3
Hatton - 3
Sasakul - 3
Julio - 3
Diaz - 1
Clottey - 1
Algieri - 1
Vargas - 1

Floyd:
Dela Hoya - 24
Pacquiao - 15
Mosley - 15
Cotto - 11
Judah - 9
Marquez - 7
Canelo - 7
Berto - 7
Gatti - 6
Guerrero - 5
Hernandez - 4
Corrales - 4
Castillo - 3, 3 (rematch)
Hatton - 3
Corley - 3
Maidana - 2, 2 (rematch)
Baldomir - 2
Vargas - 1
Mitchell - 1
Ortiz - 1


Pac is greater than Floyd

great! nice evidence.. too bad they didn't fight in their prime. green K for you..