How can people seriously believe Pacquiao is greater than Floyd

[The Big Dunn]

How so?

Because I didn't.

If I did, I would've included the first win with Bradley. Or put Floyd's scalp in there too. In my opinion, Pac won those, but on paper, he lost.

I audited based on their resumè (on paper).

The way you worded it, you are not counting the fights Manny lost. That in essence is giving him credit by taking them out of the equation.

A fighters resume is who he beats and who he loses to, not who we feel he lost or beat. I am willing to not include Torrecampo and the other guy he lost to early in his career. I will even say ok to not including the loss to Bradley because I agree that was a terrible robbery.

But to not count the losses to Morales, the draw and loss to JMM, and the loss to Horn is to not auditing based on their resume but auditing based on the wins.

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Did some auditing on how accomplished the fighters Pac & Floyd beat (on paper) at the time they fought them by number of world title scalps on their resume:

Pac:
Dela Hoya - 24
Morales - 17, 17 (rematch)
Barrera - 16, 21 (rematch)
Mosley - 15
Cotto - 9
Margarito - 10
Bradley - 9, 11 (rematch)
Larios - 8
Marquez - 6, 9 (rematch)
Ledwaba - 6
Broner - 6
Thurman - 3
Hatton - 3
Sasakul - 3
Julio - 3
Diaz - 1
Clottey - 1
Algieri - 1
Vargas - 1

Floyd:
Dela Hoya - 24
Pacquiao - 15
Mosley - 15
Cotto - 11
Judah - 9
Marquez - 7
Canelo - 7
Berto - 7
Gatti - 6
Guerrero - 5
Hernandez - 4
Corrales - 4
Castillo - 3, 3 (rematch)
Hatton - 3
Corley - 3
Maidana - 2, 2 (rematch)
Baldomir - 2
Vargas - 1
Mitchell - 1
Ortiz - 1


Pac is greater than Floyd

Based on how accomplished the fighters Pac and Floyd beat through world title scalps on their opponents resumè at the time they fought.

I fixed this so people understand it better:

Pac:
Dela Hoya - 24
Morales II and III - 17, 17
Barrera I and II - 16, 21
Mosley - 15
Cotto - 9
Margarito - 10
Bradley II and III - 9, 11
Larios - 8
Marquez II and III - 6, 9
Ledwaba - 6
Broner - 6
Thurman - 3
Hatton - 3
Sasakul - 3
Julio - 3
Diaz - 1
Clottey - 1
Algieri - 1
Vargas - 1

Floyd:
Dela Hoya - 24
Pacquiao - 15
Mosley - 15
Cotto - 11
Judah - 9
Marquez - 7
Canelo - 7
Berto - 7
Gatti - 6
Guerrero - 5
Hernandez - 4
Corrales - 4
Castillo I and II - 3, 3
Hatton - 3
Corley - 3
Maidana I and II - 2, 2
Baldomir - 2
Vargas - 1
Mitchell - 1
Ortiz - 1

[The Big Dunn]

His pops said you had to give it to Oscar because Oscar threw more and touched him more according to the points system.

Floyd ducked out of the welterweight division for two years, pretty much avoiding all of the ww division when they were in their prime, then ducked Manny for 6 years. Fought a who's who list of c list guys you never heard from again. Ortiz, Guerrero, Berto, Marcos Madonna twice, etc.

Word it any way you wish. Floyd beat Manny. If Manny had won you wouldn't still be crying about the loss this many years later. If Manny was ranked higher these threads wouldn't exist. If Manny hadn't refused PED testing or $40 mil, you wouldn't cling to 09/10 or 2012.

The loss directly drives your behavior and that is sad and pathetic.

[RuleOfTheSpear]

The way you worded it, you are not counting the fights Manny lost. That in essence is giving him credit by taking them out of the equation.

A fighters resume is who he beats and who he loses to, not who we feel he lost or beat. I am willing to not include Torrecampo and the other guy he lost to early in his career. I will even say ok to not including the loss to Bradley because I agree that was a terrible robbery.

But to not count the losses to Morales, the draw and loss to JMM, and the loss to Horn is to not auditing based on their resume but auditing based on the wins.

I audited based on wins on their resumè to establish who's greater between the two.

Pac conclusively is the winner.

[thebrownbomber_]

manny has the much better resume, didnt duck everyone in their primes like floyd, and beat floyd head to head(landed the much better punches, no idea how you can school someone while getting your head rockd around and only landing grazing jabs, sounds like bias there)

Right, he made them go to catchweights instead of ducking them. Cotto lost on the scales. He wouldve done what marquez did had they fought at 147, just more brutally

[thebrownbomber_]

LMAO casual...

Here’s the punch stats from pac vs Floyd...

Pacquiao connected with just 19 percent of his total punches (81 of 429) and 27 percent of his power shots (63-236). His jab landing just 9 percent of the time (18-193).

Mayweather landed 34 percent of his total punches (148-435) and an impressive 25 percent of his jabs (67-267). His power shots landing at 48 percent effectiveness (81-168)...

Pac has 7 loses...he’s been outboxed by guys like Bradley, Morrales, Jeff horn...he’s been knocked out 3 times...he went life and death with Marquez every time they fought...

But he beat Floyd LOL and is better...smh u casuals destroying the sport.

Floyd haters simply hate people who are themselves and are different. You should have seen the amount of hate he got simply for mentioning his opinion on a podcast

[blowblow]

Right, he made them go to catchweights instead of ducking them. Cotto lost on the scales. He wouldve done what marquez did had they fought at 147, just more brutally

atleast the fight happened compared to ducking.. it's like scared of getting hit in the fcking face. dukcing is hiding in your shell while catchweight still has the 50/50 chance to defeat somebody.

[Marchegiano]

I audited based on wins on their resumè to establish who's greater between the two.

Pac conclusively is the winner.

Isn't that exactly what Boxrec and every other computer generated rating system does? Since boxing historian and computer programmer Mike Paul created the first computer generated ranking...pretty sure.

[MONGOOSE66]

note: im not talking about who's the bigger draw, who has more fans, more ppv (although they all belong to floyd). im just talking about what they achieved in the ring.

i enjoy watching both floyd and pacquiao fights. i prefer how floyd fights more, but im trying to be objective.

First off, Floyd has been "the man" in 4 weight classes, and Pac has only been "the man" in 3 weight classes even though he's an 8 belt title holder.

I look through both of their resumes, and Floyd beating a prime Castillo, prime Hatton, 154 De La Hoya, prime Canelo is better than most if not all of Pacquiao's resume.

it's funny how a lot of floyd haters say that floyd waited for his opponents past his prime, but manny's claim to fame was beating past prime fighters like barrera, and morales who beat his ass first time they fought.


manny has fought a lot of fighters coming off of a loss. Floyd sometimes did it in the past (Judah comes to mind), but he has also beaten a lot of boxers after their best performance.

manny has also been knocked out twice early when he was 17 and 20. now i can understand why people don't really count these losses, as he wasn't in his "prime" yet, but let's be real. imagine if floyd got knocked out once early in his career? floyd haters would be bringing that up nonstop.

oh, and Floyd beat Manny quite easily in their fight. that's what's most confusing. If floyd and manny fought MAYBE, i can see why people debate this. but they literally fought and manny got schooled lol.

im down for debate, what are the reasons why manny supposedly has a better resume?

Its not that hard. If u open your eyes.

[thebrownbomber_]

[QUOTE=blowblow;21019453]atleast the fight happened compared to ducking.. it's like scared of getting hit in the fcking face. dukcing is hiding in your shell while catchweight still has the 5/50 chance to defeat somebody.[/QUOT

Who did Floyd duck Again? Last time I checked, Manny and Floyd fought the same row of opponents.