British boxing coaches are terrible.

[Rick Taylor]

Shane McGuigan is probably one of the better ones.

But you're right in general the standard of British trainers is poor. Even UK fighters have admitted that. I'm amazed more of them don't go abroad to train but boxing is a sport where home comforts are very important to a fighter.

Mcguigarn DKSAB

[Kezzer]

Your concentrating on the trainer rather than the fighter. These are sub level fighters (dubios / yarde case fairly amateur still). UK is a small country is comparison to america, so you could argue you need to compare a 10th best uk fighter to a 60th best American fighter

[Stuntman Mike]

Garcia showed nothing apart from what we already know. Quick hands & flurries. He’s not the real deal.

Luke was just utter poor & showed no HEART. Tactics was all wrong as well. You’ve a guy with cement feet & zero defence in front of you with better hand speed - what do you need a high guard for when you’re the more mobile boxer with a wide footwork gap?

Garcia showed hes a killer ,has heart and will

Any punch he took he came back instantly like a barrera or a morales or a manny pacquiao he pressed the fight with campbell unlike anyone has done before and took him out in style

Garcia is a formiddable foe for anyone and looked fresh as a daisy the whole fight

Id pick him to beat lopez and gervonta on sheer will and power

This guy might not be your cup of tea but hes a walk down power punching killer

[soul_survivor]

I agree with the last paragraph. Luke made no infight adjustment & Garcia’s chin was up there all nights to be knocked off.

It was just odd that Campbell barely threw after the kd.

[ShoulderRoll]

I agree. But he learned/mastered the bulk of his defensive and movement skills under Peter Fury. Even though he fought Wilder on the front foot, it was with movement and defence in mind.

He used to get hit quite easily until Peter sorted his defence and movement out. Peter also worked massively with Tyson on hitting home his jab harder, and to vary it.

The Tyson Fury that Sugar Hill worked with for the Wilder fight had so many more tools to his arsenal than the one Peter started training.

Without what he learned under Peter, he could never have done what he did with Sugar Hill.

But didn't Peter Fury bring in Eddie Chambers to pick his brain about movement and defense?

[Nash out]

But didn't Peter Fury bring in Eddie Chambers to pick his brain about movement and defense?

When Eddie joined Team Fury, Tyson was already showing massive improvements with Peter.

Eddie was brought in as Peter liked his ability and wanted someone who could do something (win a title) and be there as regular world-class (as far as sparring partner goes) for regular sparring.

Chambers was very close to fighting Chageuv for the WBA regular under Peter Fury, after 3 (I think) wins under him. They answered a late replacement (possible late replacement call) to fight for his title. I can't remember how this fell through in the end.

Peter had Chambers fighting on the front foot, throwing bombs, it really suited him. Then he left (on good terms) to go back to America.

He was next seen running away for 10 rounds vs Gerald Washington.

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

I don't include Joshua in that at all. He has all the requisites of a pedestrian European boxer. Its only recently he's started employing more "continental" moves. I would actually put Joyce on there. I think his training in california and experience boxing in America during his early professional career is going to pay dividends. As a brit myself, I think British boxing as a whole is ****ing awful. Fury as much of a twat as he is, is an anomaly. When you think about it, his boxing is pretty beautiful. Constant feinting, footwork and head movement. People spend too much time thinking about the Wallin performance when his fights against Schwarz and Wilder were a ****ing masterclass in stylistic excellence of two pretty damp disparate styles too.

I respect the fact that you can admit this. Most Brits have their heads in the sand when it comes to their school of boxing and how outdated it is.

[sicko]

Similar thread was made after Canelo vs Callum and I do agree somewhat. Americans fight with a different "Rhythm" I guess you can say? The Speed, Athleticism, Muscle Twitch it is a difference for sure. Also too Sparring and the talent level that is available to spar and get work in with with it is just Different

Of course you get the same response: "Well Fury Beat Wilder" however Fury has that American Style and American Rhythm, no other Brit fights or moves like Fury lets be honest. Fury also added an AMERICAN TRAINER in Sugar Hill Steward for that Wilder rematch and people thought he was crazy for Firing Davison.

Not about being "Better" but I just think the Training and the Talent Level to get work in with Overall is just different because it is way more people here

[ShoulderRoll]

When Eddie joined Team Fury, Tyson was already showing massive improvements with Peter.

Eddie was brought in as Peter liked his ability and wanted someone who could do something (win a title) and be there as regular world-class (as far as sparring partner goes) for regular sparring.

Chambers was very close to fighting Chageuv for the WBA regular under Peter Fury, after 3 (I think) wins under him. They answered a late replacement (possible late replacement call) to fight for his title. I can't remember how this fell through in the end.

Peter had Chambers fighting on the front foot, throwing bombs, it really suited him. Then he left (on good terms) to go back to America.

He was next seen running away for 10 rounds vs Gerald Washington.

Ok. But add to that the fact that Fury also worked with Freddie Roach.

He has had a lot of American influence, which sets him apart from most British fighters.

[Gandhi]

It was just odd that Campbell barely threw after the kd.

Shane McGuigan is more of a fitness trainer than a boxing coach & Tunde might have a better boxing brain than him. I honestly don't know why people hype him like he knows what he's doing. The only boxer he has trained that achieved anything is Josh Taylor & I wouldn't call JT the most skilled boxer out there. He's just lucky he's fighting in a very weak division & he won most of his fights due to his grit/heart.

Luke on the other hand has no heart & he has a propensity to fall apart on the big stage. So, he needed proper coaching/tactics & the fitness trainer couldn't give him that.