British boxing coaches are terrible.

[Gandhi]

He did a far better job than linares or loma

Luke is a good all around boxer he proved that against Loma

Garcia had all the foot movement he needed to land his devastating shots all night and he landed the same body shot he got the ko with in the second round right after he got up.are you seriously that ******

All round boxer with no heart that fight like he’s still an amateur? No heart, zero killer instinct & he was out there trying to score points like it’s an amateur fight & was scared when he dropped Garcia.

Who has Luke beaten in his career to make him an all round boxer? The guy got washed every time he steps up.

[Marchegiano]

So, here's the thing. That's because boxing as a sport came from England, but, training kind of came from America.

It wasn't until the 1850s-60s sparring became a standard practice for training. William Fuller, a man from the Tom Cribb era, and Hewlet-Molyneaux were the men who popularized sparring as a means for training. Fuller was older and had a pedigree background where as Moly was from the black pool of training lineage that integrated defense first fighting, gloves, and sparring as training as early as 1840s

Before anyone throws some out of date newspaper clipping at me, let me explain something, yes, sparring existed prior, yes Broughton invented gloves in the 1720s, but, gloved sparring was more like testing than training. You'd spar a pupil to see if he's ready to be your student or a new comer to the scene to see if they're worthy of a betting fight. It was Fuller and Moly who made it part of their routine training.

Molyneaux had few fights and trained people to spar specifically. He was trying to separate sparing from the sport and make it something like how we see TMA dojos today. He trained prizefighters but mostly trained blacks and ***s to keep them in shape and capable of self defense. He'd become Harvard's first black professor. Making his Prof. more than a moniker.

Fuller had more clout and so could focus on more high end clientele. Like Moly he too trained a plenty of prizefighters but his main focus was teaching rich Americans how to defend themselves and used regular sparring to toughen their candy.

Their schools both became hugely popular and sparring became the mainstream fad that softened the nation to boxing and allowed a more legal version to exist, let alone one of the absolute musts for training in modern boxing world wide.


Edit- I should add, there's no quick and good way to bring an origin story to the present. It's just sparring but had I done everything merica brought to the table my post would be very very long.

[Earl-Hickey]

I can probably compare it to when I used to play football in the UK.

The coaches and trainers there would just train you in a, b, c football, you know 4-4-2 formation, the same plays and tactics that have been used for 50 to 100 years now.

It was always just drill the basics in. If you tried to play with any flair it was discouraged. Simply if the coaches didn't understand a skill or talent you had you were told not to use it.

Very one dimensional thinking.

A good example would be fury who when he went to the kronk they were like um, OK you are 6'9" 280lbs and look like a cave troll maybe you shouldn't be running away from a skinny basketballer who only has a long range right hand in his arsenal, you know, maybe.

Don't get that kind of thinking from UK coaches

[charliepaerker]

Ok. But add to that the fact that Fury also worked with Freddie Roach.

He has had a lot of American influence, which sets him apart from most British fighters.

He also worked with Emmanuel Steward himself

[Sid-Knee]

American boxing is far more developed than UK in terms of skills. That's no news.

And yet we beat them most of the time we fight on an even playing field. Then look at the averages of how many good wins or better they have before their time is up compered to ours. Then look at how quickly we step up compared to them.

Most of their fighters haven't proven a bean. The few that have, had it stacked in their favour to win. How many honest wins can you name from their end? No weight restrictions. No waiting until they have a bad night and look beatable. No coming off a loss. No crooked decisions from corrupt judges. No waiting until they're old. Refusing to travel.

Name the last time an American had a good solid win or better against a fresh prime opponent when travelling? They lose nearly every single time. Have done from the beginning of time. That's why they're so scared of doing so. That's why Americans on here try to justify their refusal by coming up with laughable reasons. They're trying to protect them.

What do you think every time an American loses? Do you see these kind of questions being put up on here all the time like they do with us when that happens?

[Sid-Knee]

Luke campbell has never proved he was world class in the pros. completely different game.

I had him by a point over Linares. But GBP weren't going to give him the decision over one of their fighters no matter what.

He beat Perez in one sided fashion and stopped him after Perez had just come from dominating Hooker only to be ripped off with the draw.

Luke is coming off a loss and being out for over 15 months. How many overcome that? That's without the travelling.

[EnglishOxide]

There's a lot of Americans in here claiming credit for Mexican wins over Brits

[Southpawology]

There's a lot of Americans in here claiming credit for Mexican wins over Brits

Ryan garcia was born in the USA and doesnt even speak spanish lol. Regardless....Mexican, American...They both own UK fighters.

[KingGilgamesh]

And yet we beat them most of the time we fight on an even playing field. Then look at the averages of how many good wins or better they have before their time is up compered to ours. Then look at how quickly we step up compared to them.

Most of their fighters haven't proven a bean. The few that have, had it stacked in their favour to win. How many honest wins can you name from their end? No weight restrictions. No waiting until they have a bad night and look beatable. No coming off a loss. No crooked decisions from corrupt judges. No waiting until they're old. Refusing to travel.

Name the last time an American had a good solid win or better against a fresh prime opponent when travelling? They lose nearly every single time. Have done from the beginning of time. That's why they're so scared of doing so. That's why Americans on here try to justify their refusal by coming up with laughable reasons. They're trying to protect them.

What do you think every time an American loses? Do you see these kind of questions being put up on here all the time like they do with us when that happens?

The ****? What Brits have beaten Americans consistently in any division? Even heavyweight the only notable wins were Fury against Wilder and Joshua against Ruiz, a guy who blasted him out the fight before. And even then, look at Wilder and Ruiz. Both are highly unorthodox in their shape alone let alone their boxing. Didn't Spence beat Khan in Manchester in 2017? The only reason we don't see more Americans/Mexicans travelling is because the UK doesn't have many superstars outside of Joshua. He fought a Mexican in Saudi Arabia. So that kinda counts I guess....

[Stuntman Mike]

Ryan garcia was born in the USA and doesnt even speak spanish lol. Regardless....Mexican, American...They both own UK fighters.

Thats why the number 1 and 2 heavyweights in the world are a **** and a italian ***ish african american