British School of Boxing Lagging Behind the Americas

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Tommy Burns, Loopin' Larry Gain, George Godfrey, Sam Langford, Lennox Lewis, and George Chuvalo is a strong as **** list of HW greats.

So that's a no then?

Lennox is British and started fighting because the Canadians used to mock him for his accent. So he gave them a good slap. His capabilities to fight, which was due to being British, was seen as an avenue to maybe having success in boxing. The rest, as they say, is history.

Chuvalo was a bum. Please stop it.

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I forgot Ruddock. Razor was alright too. Berbick.. Canada's good.

Razor and Berbick were Jamaican.

Who are these Canadian born fighters and trainers?

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These Brits are upright 1-2 fighters

But what about plan B

Brits don't have a single style that defines them. Anyone who knows about British boxing would know that.

Mexicans have a style that has them losing most of the time. Same with the Americans. And we don't have to inflict a mass of disadvantages against them either. Canelo is a fraud and embarrassment. The only way to support that joke is to be without honour, integrity and self-respect. F3ck that guy. Maybe his next opponent to show "Mexicans don't f3ck about" will be given only 2 weeks to train and travel where a tiny ring awaits. Make sure it's a big guy like Benevidez though because two weeks for a frame and build like his will have the same impact it did on Callum.

He's such a warrior. Haha.

[Mushashi]

Why would Americans do that though if they never really fight over here the way Brits do over there and therefore more likely to get themselves an American trainer?

When Chambers was over here and getting fights, he was working with the Fury's. But as i say, it's rare. They don't travel anywhere. And if they do, they do so for a fight or two and don't make campaigns like Brits and other fighters do over there by fighting regularly.

However, does this dispute what i wrote? It doesn't i'm afraid.

The reason Steward wanted to work with Lewis was due to the fact he thought he was the best Heavyweight he'd ever seen and thought he had huge potential. Which of course, was true.

Only a few of those names previously mentioned campaigned regularly in the States. But most would have a handful of big money fights in the US and sell seats domestically in between. The only one who predominantly fought Stateside in his prime was Lewis and it looks like Fury might be following suit.

They were making money at home too and not basing themselves full time in the US a la Pacquiao, who would stay to train and fight for months at a time visa withstanding.

So they're not hiring US expertise only because of the convenience of fighting in the States, it's the knowledge, training and sparring they receive to get them to the next level.

Which as I said before, foreigners including non-Americans aren't hiring Brits in the same fashion.

And likewise, Steward himself is a legendary trainer, why wouldn't Lewis want to work with him? It goes both ways.

[Marchegiano]

Great post.

Plus look at the more recent talent coming out of Montreal. Jean Pascal. Adonis Stevenson and David Lemieux who have all been world champions.

Also look at the foreign talent that go to live and train out of Montreal when turning pro. Lucien Bute, Artur Beterbiev, and Eleider Alvarez to name a few. Don't sleep on Canada.

Back at you man, those are some proper Canadian talents.

[Marchegiano]

So that's a no then?

Lennox is British and started fighting because the Canadians used to mock him for his accent. So he gave them a good slap. His capabilities to fight, which was due to being British, was seen as an avenue to maybe having success in boxing. The rest, as they say, is history.

Chuvalo was a bum. Please stop it.

Let me rephrase.

Burns, Langford, Godfrey, and Gains alone trump the entire history of British heavyweights in terms of awards and resume.

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Only a few of those names previously mentioned campaigned regularly in the States. But most would have a handful of big money fights in the US and sell seats domestically in between. The only one who predominantly fought Stateside in his prime was Lewis and it looks like Fury might be following suit.

They were making money at home too and not basing themselves full time in the US a la Pacquiao, who would stay to train and fight for months at a time visa withstanding.

So they're not hiring US expertise only because of the convenience of fighting in the States, it's the knowledge, training and sparring they receive to get them to the next level.

Which as I said before, foreigners including non-Americans aren't hiring Brits in the same fashion.

And likewise, Steward himself is a legendary trainer, why wouldn't Lewis want to work with him? It goes both ways.

The reason Naz got Oscar was due to saving money. It was spoken of because Oscar had no real experience to speak of. There wasn't a single reason to higher him other than that. Nor did he make Naz a better fighter. Steward was a second in command, but didn't know how to mould a fighter like Naz. Steward was best for the styles of long and tall fighters like Lewis and Hearns.

Fury went with Hill because of the Andy Lee connection. Nothing more.

Brits fight in the US to open up another market. But they don't fight predominantly over there. they mix it up by fighting in both.

Who would Pac use from the Philippines after being based in the US? I can't think of anyone to train him. Makes sense to have an American trainer if you're fighting out there because there isn't any kind of scene to speak of nor the money. It doesn't make sense the way it does for the Brits.

What other Brit fighters use American trainers? How well did they do?

I remember when Scott Quigg left Gallahger and went to the Wild Card with Freddy Roach and turned out far worse than when he was at home. He looked like shlt.

Hatton learned his lesson when buying into American trainers being all that when working with that joke Floyd SR. It was calamity from the start and the relationship turned sour pretty quickly after it was clear that SR was clueless. It was actually embarrassing how he worked. Remember him changing De LA Hoya with the shoulder roll? He was a one trick pony that wasn't even good at that trick.

Mexicans stay with their own. As do most of the Europeans. Other nations fighters would only do so if they don't have that kind of expertise at home when matching up with an American trainer.

Which American trainers have American fighters that have built up legit resumes and not the usual smoke and mirrors? Mostly they have a single good win, then get brushed aside. The most proven American fighter is Shawn Porter. He beat Thurman and Spence but just didn't get the decision due to those two being seen as more profitable by Haymon. If those judges were fair, Porter would have got the win he earned. British fighters on average have the deeper resumes. They don't inflict many disadvantages on their opponents. In fact, it's them that have them put against them. Look at Callum, Fury, Brook and Khan as examples. Americans do so all the time like Canelo. But mostly, they don't even have a legit good win over a world class fighter. Those that do like Crawford, Spence, Davis etc etc.. Had the upper hand for many reasons. It's never on a level playing field. And still they have the worst resumes in world boxing even though they have about 4 times as many fights on average as we and the Europeans have.

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Let me rephrase.

Burns, Langford, Godfrey, and Gains alone trump the entire history of British heavyweights in terms of awards and resume.

So they trump Lewis, Fury, AJ, Haye, Fitzsimmons, Bruno for awards and resumes? Hmmm. Lewis alone has a better resume than all of them put together. I don't even need to include any of the others.

You forget you're not talking to an idiot like yourself. So stop smoking that shlt. It's rotting your brains.

[Marchegiano]

So they trump Lewis, Fury, AJ, Haye, Fitzsimmons, Bruno for awards and resumes? Hmmm. Lewis alone has a better resume than all of them put together. I don't even need to include any of the others.

You forget you're not talking to an idiot like yourself. So stop smoking that shlt. It's rotting your brains.

Bruno huh? But Chuvalo is ****?

Lewis is Canadian. He fought for Canada in the Olympics and then was trained by an American as a great pro champion. The UK gets that credit huh?

Lewis also has 0 universal title defenses.

Fury has 0

Joshua has 0

Fitzsimmons has 0

Haye has 0

Bruno has 0

Burns as 13

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Lol @ Lennox being Canadian. He moved there at ****ing 12 years old for ****s sake.