Luis Ortiz vs Charles Martin

[billeau2]

I gotta disagree. While I think Ortiz is a skilled boxer, he's old and and has suspect stamina. His win over Jennings was impressive but how long ago was that? Does anyone remember him slowly shuffling around the ring, unable to put away Malik Scott who was trying to fall down and get KO'd?

We rate him because he outboxed Wilder before getting sparked? Wilder has been outboxed by plenty of fighters.

I rate him and all fighters based on watching what he can do in the ring. Yes his stamina catches up to him because of his age, no doubt, but he also manages to fight on and throw a pretty good volume of punches. Ortiz had a fair run where he was beating guys... i rate that as a good run. Regarding the Wilder fight, Ortiz was fighting superbly that fight. The fact that others outboxed Wilder is a fair point... Certainly it is no great fiat by itself. But heres the thing: If your going to beat Wilder, most guys will have to outbox him to start. Ortiz did an exceptional job boxing Wilder. He was frustrating Wilder, setting the tempo up nicely, using his jab well... Wilder caught him... I mean Ortiz lost fair because of what Wilder did... But when you look at Wilder's fights and how others did outboxing him, I think Ortiz did an exceptional job... he just got caught.

many people think automatically an older fighter is shot. Areola in his last fight threw a tremendous amount of punches... and yet many still think he was shot. Ortiz does not have the capacity for volume punching, he cannot really fight a full fight 3 minutes of every round... But he still is dangerous because he has a lot of skills.

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Meh, idk tbh, I think Jennings was his best win....hunter, ruiz, parker or whyte would be better than Martin (who aint done shi.t)

It wouldn’t matter really you can’t take victories in guys you haven’t fought and say you beat them . The fact is Martin right now would be a top win for Ortiz that’s just a fact . Fighters on the forum are protected on here at ridiculously high level . No one actually knows who would win that fight ,I’m not even sure I’d favor Ortiz if they signed today looking at his fights ? I think most have been reasonable looking at this and think it could go either way which makes it a fight that should happen if it’s the easiest one to make .

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I gotta disagree. While I think Ortiz is a skilled boxer, he's old and and has suspect stamina. His win over Jennings was impressive but how long ago was that? Does anyone remember him slowly shuffling around the ring, unable to put away Malik Scott who was trying to fall down and get KO'd?

We rate him because he outboxed Wilder before getting sparked? Wilder has been outboxed by plenty of fighters.

This is a painful truth to some on the forum but most aren’t getting tricked anymore ,time has actually moved on for most of us .All you will get however are deflections of the fact that many out box Wilder and your notion that Ortiz has stamina issues will go ignored because it then goes against rating Ortiz who is actually vastly overrated but you have the crazies stating he’s underrated but won’t give an actual reason how that’s possible when he’s impossible to remove from a top spots in the rankings no matter what doing next to nothing . Ha

[El_Mero]

It wouldn’t matter really you can’t take victories in guys you haven’t fought and say you beat them . The fact is Martin right now would be a top win for Ortiz that’s just a fact . Fighters on the forum are protected on here at ridiculously high level . No one actually knows who would win that fight ,I’m not even sure I’d favor Ortiz if they signed today looking at his fights ? I think most have been reasonable looking at this and think it could go either way which makes it a fight that should happen if it’s the easiest one to make .

Yeah, I looked at his boxrec and saw a lot of wtf is that guy on there. To think, Wilder went toe to toe with this guy twice....

[PBR Streetgang]

I rate him and all fighters based on watching what he can do in the ring.....Ortiz had a fair run where he was beating guys... i rate that as a good run....

I respect your opinion but what guys was Ortiz beating? Other than Jennings 6+ years ago, what was his 2nd best win? A 42 year old Tony Thompson with 6 losses, career opponent Christian Hammer or Travis Kaufman (whom Otto Wallin destroyed in 5 rounds after he went 10 with Ortiz)?

Ortiz resume is incredibly thin. He doesn't have many good wins and he rarely looks good in those wins.

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Yeah, I looked at his boxrec and saw a lot of wtf is that guy on there. To think, Wilder went toe to toe with this guy twice....

Well Ortiz was somewhat formidable in 2017/2018 and Wilder is the perfect high profile name to look good against even if you lose by just taking rounds from him . Ortiz would have won had it not been for the bell saving incident and maybe some extra time granted to him after the 7th rnd bell .

But time has moved on for most , the guys who still put him over others are still stuck in 2017 ,maybe they are time travelers where time has stopped altogether ? It’s the only explainable thing where a guy doesn’t have to have a win fir 3 years but holds wins on guys he’s never fought before and is proven to have health issues tells you how much crazy is on the forum . Ha

Ortiz may or may not get another big fight and win but these guys on here just hand him a top guy spot just because for no reasons of logic .

[brettWall]

I haven't seen these two in more than a year now. Nobody knows what they're waiting on. It doesn't have to be against each other. Arreola is available. There's also Breazeale. I don't think Ruiz is eager to come back after that shaky performance of his with Arreola.

[billeau2]

I respect your opinion but what guys was Ortiz beating? Other than Jennings 6+ years ago, what was his 2nd best win? A 42 year old Tony Thompson with 6 losses, career opponent Christian Hammer or Travis Kaufman (whom Otto Wallin destroyed in 5 rounds after he went 10 with Ortiz)?

Ortiz resume is incredibly thin. He doesn't have many good wins and he rarely looks good in those wins.

What guys were anybody beating? the division has been weak for years. Who was Klitsko beating? The last guy who was beating competative comp was imo Lennox Lewis.

As far as Ortiz now? I judge by the shape I see a guy come in, and how he performs. But its important to recognize that the division has been weak now for years...

[billeau2]

This is a painful truth to some on the forum but most aren’t getting tricked anymore ,time has actually moved on for most of us .All you will get however are deflections of the fact that many out box Wilder and your notion that Ortiz has stamina issues will go ignored because it then goes against rating Ortiz who is actually vastly overrated but you have the crazies stating he’s underrated but won’t give an actual reason how that’s possible when he’s impossible to remove from a top spots in the rankings no matter what doing next to nothing . Ha

Doesn't Aj also have stamina issues? ahem...

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Doesn't Aj also have stamina issues? ahem...

AJ is the unified champion,Ortiz last win was Alex Flores in 2020.

If you weren’t so fixated on detracting AJ you would actually be semi logical on the forum .