Luis Ortiz vs Charles Martin

[billeau2]

AJ is the unified champion,Ortiz last win was Alex Flores in 2020.

If you weren’t so fixated on detracting AJ you would actually be semi logical on the forum .

I don't bash AJ... Just pointing out your hypocracy. Older fighters should be judged by their performance. I don't know what Ortiz can do... He is probably past it at this point, but older fighters are not the only one with stamina problems... and look at how Areola fought, him and Ruiz set a record for punches thrown I believe? You kow... SHOT Arreola?

The division is so weak that cruisers, older fighters, etc all want a chance, especially before the next prospects are seasoned. Learn how to think instead of always trying to bet people, prove someone is wrong, etc... It would keep you from being humiliated again...Just sayin

[billeau2]

I haven't seen these two in more than a year now. Nobody knows what they're waiting on. It doesn't have to be against each other. Arreola is available. There's also Breazeale. I don't think Ruiz is eager to come back after that shaky performance of his with Arreola.

I definitely think Ruiz was trying on new shoes, but Arreola always had talent. He didn't train well in the past. I think the version that fought Ruiz was excellent. Granted, I am sure Chris can't do some of the things he could do as a younger fighter... But no shame that Ruiz had to fight hard to win. I think Ruiz fought well. Ruiz has to find the balance between losing weight and being at a comfortable fighting weight.

[PBR Streetgang]

What guys were anybody beating? the division has been weak for years.

There are plenty of guys who have better resumes and wins than Ortiz. Joe Joyce (Stiverne, Jennings, Takam), Dillian Whyte (Parker, Rivas, Povetkin, Helenius), Andy Ruiz (AJ, Arreola), Parker (Ruiz, Chisora, Fa) and you could argue guys like Hunter, Rivas, and Yoka have just as many quality wins as Ortiz.

The division is weak and Ortiz has a resume that's less than average for a contender in a weak era. I enjoy your posts and I'm not trying to take issue with you but someplace along the line, Ortiz was built up as something that he's not and until he fights a respectable opponent he's just a guy who beat Jennings a long time ago and was sparked out twice by Wilder. Wow.

[billeau2]

This is a painful truth to some on the forum but most aren’t getting tricked anymore ,time has actually moved on for most of us .All you will get however are deflections of the fact that many out box Wilder and your notion that Ortiz has stamina issues will go ignored because it then goes against rating Ortiz who is actually vastly overrated but you have the crazies stating he’s underrated but won’t give an actual reason how that’s possible when he’s impossible to remove from a top spots in the rankings no matter what doing next to nothing . Ha

Who overates Ortiz? saying that he fought well against Wilder the second fight? Saying he has skills? And what fighter during that time fought decent comp? The whole division is/was weak...

Typical ******ed Redumber: create a strawman, then make up some notion claiming "posters do this..." then claim to know better when in fact, you falsified the problem in the first place... You were so wrong aboutyour own predictions that you should never claim any poster is out of touch ya moron! Ha! Tell us how ****** posters thought the arbitration would stop the fight which was a sure thing... Lol. And tell us you took a "vacation" when you were chased out of here for your dumb, wrong predictions.

[REDEEMER]

I don't bash AJ... Just pointing out your hypocracy. Older fighters should be judged by their performance. I don't know what Ortiz can do... He is probably past it at this point, but older fighters are not the only one with stamina problems... and look at how Areola fought, him and Ruiz set a record for punches thrown I believe? You kow... SHOT Arreola?

The division is so weak that cruisers, older fighters, etc all want a chance, especially before the next prospects are seasoned. Learn how to think instead of always trying to bet people, prove someone is wrong, etc... It would keep you from being humiliated again...Just sayin

What hypocrisy ,we are talking about Ortiz and who has defeated ? Older fighter with health issues who best win was six years ago , yea ok Billy boy let’s not judge that ,you are correct Ortiz is legitimate in the current year of 2021 sure he is without showing why ? I have to bring that up to hammer it into you guys this isn’t years ago ,I’m not sure you get that ?


You are humiliating yourself by showing you have no idea what you are even arguing or trying to prove on the thread . Ha

[billeau2]

What hypocrisy ,we are talking about Ortiz and who has defeated ? Older fighter with health issues who best win was six years ago , yea ok Billy boy let’s not judge that ,you are correct Ortiz is legitimate in the current year of 2021 sure he is without showing why ? I have to bring that up to hammer it into you guys this isn’t years ago ,I’m not sure you get that ?

Who was in the division that was such grade A compared to who Ortiz defeated? I don't know where Ortiz is today... Don't claim to. Just making sure you know your place and don't start crapping up the forums again... Ortiz fought average competition when he was fighting. He was older but managed to fight well. Thats my point. You claim people overate Ortiz lol. what a load of crap. Then while you worship AJ you are a hypocrite saying Ortiz had stamina issues lol. So does AJ!!!

[REDEEMER]

Who was in the division that was such grade A compared to who Ortiz defeated? I don't know where Ortiz is today... Don't claim to. Just making sure you know your place and don't start crapping up the forums again... Ortiz fought average competition when he was fighting. He was older but managed to fight well. Thats my point. You claim people overate Ortiz lol. what a load of crap. Then while you worship AJ you are a hypocrite saying Ortiz had stamina issues lol. So does AJ!!!

What ? Ha

Come on now there has to be a point where you have to stop being Silly Billy for a second , Ortiz has 50% record of guys he fought coming off of losses , almost half losing their next fight starting in 2015 onwards and some retired after the fight with him they were so bad at that point when he became a name . Why would AJs stamina be relevant on those facts ?

Ortiz resume is literally trash and he was gifted two title shots for no logical reason as well but if you can’t see that you really are beyond help to ask who has defeated grade A fighters compared to him ,is anyone reading this guys posts ?

[billeau2]

What hypocrisy ,we are talking about Ortiz and who has defeated ? Older fighter with health issues who best win was six years ago , yea ok Billy boy let’s not judge that ,you are correct Ortiz is legitimate in the current year of 2021 sure he is without showing why ? I have to bring that up to hammer it into you guys this isn’t years ago ,I’m not sure you get that ?


You are humiliating yourself by showing you have no idea what you are even arguing or trying to prove on the thread . Ha

The hypocracy of saying Ortiz has stamina issues when AJ who you worship, also has had such issues... And again who has anyone defeated? Its a weak division.There was the defeat of Klitsko x 2, the defeat of Wilder x2, I mean am I missing something? Kubret lol... I am not claiming Ortiz is rearin and ready to go... just saying lets see how he looks... if he is shot, then he is shot. Areolla looked pretty good for an older fighter... threw about 3 times the amount of punches that AJ throws during a fight...just sayin' don't shoot the messenger Redumber. That hammer you hit yourself in the head with? repeatedly? Yeah that hurt... you did make me cringe when you were so damn persistent and so damn wrong lol.

[billeau2]

What ? Ha

Come on now there has to be a point where you have to stop being Silly Billy for a second , Ortiz has 50% record of guys he fought coming off of losses , almost half losing their next fight starting in 2015 onwards and some retired after the fight with him they were so bad at that point when he became a name . Why would AJs stamina be relevant on those facts ?

Ortiz resume is literally trash and he was gifted two title shots for no logical reason as well but if you can’t see that you really are beyond help to ask who has defeated grade A fighters compared to him ,is anyone reading this guys posts ?

you have no credability to call anyone silly. You are the forum laughing stock... Period. You can try to call anyone anything but there is a physical record of your ******ity here for all to see. Posters are on to you... What does someone's record have to do with stamina problems? Grade A lol... There is no grade A... the division is weak. lol... what an idiot. Ortiz and most of the other guys like Martin, Kubret, etc would all be bottom feeders in the nineties, the seventies, etc... Geez what an idiot you are. HA!

[billeau2]

There are plenty of guys who have better resumes and wins than Ortiz. Joe Joyce (Stiverne, Jennings, Takam), Dillian Whyte (Parker, Rivas, Povetkin, Helenius), Andy Ruiz (AJ, Arreola), Parker (Ruiz, Chisora, Fa) and you could argue guys like Hunter, Rivas, and Yoka have just as many quality wins as Ortiz.

The division is weak and Ortiz has a resume that's less than average for a contender in a weak era. I enjoy your posts and I'm not trying to take issue with you but someplace along the line, Ortiz was built up as something that he's not and until he fights a respectable opponent he's just a guy who beat Jennings a long time ago and was sparked out twice by Wilder. Wow.

Ortiz was an older fighter when he came into the division... he had enough skills, and the division was weak enough that he was able to get some wins. I am not saying he was a great fighter, just that he was competative, has skills, got some wins and compared to the average today had some success. I wouldn't even call Ortiz a contender... But people act like he has no skills, never had success, etc. He had a winning streak for a while, he fought well against Wilder... Who ever built Ortiz up? All I hear here is how bad, how shot he is... the man has some decent wins, and fought Wilder very well the second fight. Im not saying he was a contender. Consider this: If Ortiz had fought against Ron Lyle, Ken Norton, Ernie Shavers, Jimmy Young... And consider he came in older like he did in this division. Would he have any wins? I doubt it. Ditto for Stiverne, Jennings, Takam... etc.

We can agree to disagree but my point is that Ortiz, like a lot of the Cuban heavy weights, most of whom are older, past their best, was a decent fighter with skills and had some success because this division is "low hanging fruit." Put it this way: would you say Ortiz had a successful career? I don't know what the future holds for him... anymore than I knew Areolla would fight well against Ruiz. I watch first and judge later.