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you're opinion of Haney is subjective. it depends on what you've seen. I've seen a lot of hype around Stevenson and Lopez. I've seen Ryan Garcia doing a lot on social media.
Haney is younger than tank by 4 yrs. Tefimo is older too. Loma is with TR so naturally Fimo got that fight first.
What about a boxers own ability to pick his own team? eg if you think hearn is a crap promoter, why did Haney pick him? is that not poor decision making from Haney? loma was with TR, Haney knew that. Haney agreed to fight Gamboa, is that eddie's fault? the boxer has the last voice. like babic said about wilder, 'fk you for getting poisoned then, why were you so fking dumb to allow that? i take my own water'
the first and last decision is the boxers himself.
eddie cant magically make haney a superstar if loma is with TR and fimo got the fight first.
What poor matchmaking? Haney went down the wbc route to get loma, did haney or eddie hearn know wbc would pull out a fking franchise belt?
As for eddie as a promoter..
my interest in boxing is because of him. i watch his interviews...he talks about his fighters and cards, i watch them.
the contexts around boxing im aware of, are through his narrative.
rather that than bob, or ellerbe or frank warren
seriously boxing is disgusting and sleazy otherwise
these disgusting old promoters just blagging it all the time and being awkward people.
in recent times, the matchroom bubble has been the easiest thing to follow in boxing, all free via youtube. why wouldnt i appreciate that? its been unique. you dont get that from any other promoter.
where was the queensbury bubble? theyve put on various cards, they were lowkey.
top rank put on huge events like fimo vs loma, yet all week, we barely had any content worth watching.Comment
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you mean by those black guys in america who are xenophobic and racist?
or do you mean when AJ said 'boycott their businesses' and got hated on by all these white people, was that eddie hearn's fault?
look
in dubai, 50% of devices get hacked into.
dont know why.
aj was in dubai a few yrs ago having boxed klit and takam..and later boxed parker.
yet somehow eddie chambers showed messages from AJ's account where aj said 'you're a disgrace to the SUPERIOR BLACK RACE'
aj never publically spoke about this, but his people said his phone was hacked.
the contexts were never explained by team aj...
but having a basic bit of common sense answered it for me
-in dubai, his phone could have got hacked, my sister lived there, 2 of her devices were hacked.
-eddie chambers wasnt relevant, so why would aj dm him anything at all? all the while knowing how bad that looks?
even eddie said something like 'i didnt know we had any issues' or some ****.
do we blame all this on eddie hearn then? like aj isnt his own man and doesnt know who he's sticking with?
you realise the saudis paid £100m for aj vs ruiz 2 AFTER AJ WAS HUMILIATED IN NYC?
what other promoter could do that in this climate?
that's because they wanted to do business with eddie hearn. they watched the MSG card and liked it a lot, enough to want something similar in their own back yard.
how come they didnt call al haymon and offer him $100m for wilder vs fury 2?Comment
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I'm not alluding to the US. I'm talking about the UK. I know loads of people who don't like him because of Hearn. The Eddie Chambers thing and whatever he said about boycotting racist businesses are just excuses for something to hide behind.
A lot of people in the UK can't stand Hearn - white, black and Asians. When you're a spoilt rich kid with a big mouth in a country that's mostly working class - it's just normal for people to hate privileged rich kids with big mouths. That rubs off on him as well. I know white people who think he's Hearn's little puppet and can't stand him because of that. And black people who think he's making a white guy rich.
The Saudis didn't bid for the fight because of what the show was like at the MSG. MSG wasn't even a great event by Hearn's standard. They bidded for the fight because of the global attention the upset garnered with a fat snicker eating slob beating the crap out of a guy built like Adonis who many believed was the face of boxing. It was like something from a Rocky movie and the rematch was one of the most anticipated fights in boxing in the last decade.
Even that fight itself was terrible matchmaking and it showed how greedy/inept Hearn/Matchroom is. You took a guy who had a huge hype to a country where he has a foe with huge expectations. Matched against a some juice head and created a scene with the guy disrespecting his guy existence and mum whilst humiliating him publicly at the press conference. Obviously, his whole focus would be on that guy and how he would get his revenge in the ring. Suddenly, the guy tested positive for PED and the fight was off. Obviously, that's a morale killer and a promoter with a brain would've pick a soft touch as a late replacement for him to blast out of there within 2 rds, to keep the hype train going. But Hearn being the airhead that he's, due to greed, picked the worst matchup possible when he knows his boxer still struggles against short guys. He didn't just pick a short guy - he picked the short guy with the fastest hands possible and granite chin who brought nothing to the table. Furthermore, to make things worse - the guy he picked is signed to his biggest foe in the US. And on fight week - your boxer wasn't alright physically, apart from checking out mentally due to the loud disrespectful guy he went there for failing the PED test...yet you still forced the fight because he has braved it a couple of times he was ill and came out victorious. That's how incompetent Hearn is.
And it's not even about AJ because I've been citing examples of how Hearn is terrible at Matchmaking and developing young boxers before AJ lost to Ruiz. The Whyte vs Rivas fight was pointless, just as the Whyte vs Povetkin fight. Josh Kelly had no business fighting the guy he fought at MSG since he's still a novice. I can cite of examples. You don't build boxers that way. AJ was just good enough to overcome all the terrible Matchmaking until Ruiz. The rest haven't been that lucky and you can see where Whyte is right now.
People can cite Bellew and Froch but those guys had already developed before Eddie Hearn took over at Matchroom. Even Josh Warrington had to leave Matchroom for Queensbury to become a world champion and he only went back to matchroom for money.Last edited by BangEM; 11-10-2020, 07:53 PM.Comment
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i disagree with you completely on most of that
so eitherway eddie hearn got AJ a huge payoff..and he's a bad promoter because sensitive phucks in the uk dont like eddie?
far more boxing fans in the uk like him than not like him
it's just him and frank warren..and we take the mick out of warren
shoulder rolls and 'wurl taiduls'
maybe you've seen something i havent, but that's subjective.
josh kelly vs robinson was one of them where i knew kelly would struggle. the card was a really good one though. great event. one of the most iconic moments in boxing history....with the biggest fix on boxing history to boot
anyway random but this is making me laugh, timestamped
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He made a huge pay off via the defeat but that has very little to do with Hearn. It came off the global shock that came with the defeat since it was frontpage news everywhere and everyone was anticipating the rematch. The Saudis just tapped into that because of the attention it would bring to the country - they literally paid for the publicity.
Conversely, I can make an argument that with the hype AJ's debut generated in the US - if he had picked a creampuff as a late replacement and sparked him in a highlight reels, he would've broken the US market (he has the looks, charisma and he's eloquent enough for middle America to embrace) and earned a lot of sponsorship deals. His stock also wouldn't have plummeted the way it did post-Ruiz. So he won't be at a crossroad whereby he has to beat Tyson Fury to even get to where he was pre-Ruiz. I don't think you know how much the Ruiz loss damaged his brand. And it could've been avoided because the handwriting was on the wall on fight week. The guy had checked out mentally and he didn't wanna be there. And you could tell there was something wrong with him during all the pre-fight interviews and press conferences.
Warren isn't likeable but at least he develops boxers better than Hearn. Hearn ruins young boxers. So it's like picking between two devils. And the only reason Hearn has the edge is because he has more money and he doesn't mind throwing a novice in there to get ruined in an exciting fight and that can be fan friendly since core boxing fans just want to see a good dust up. However, from the boxers' perspective - it's silly. I'm speaking from a boxer's perspective here. Regardless, that doesn't mean people love Hearn like that.
Josh Kelly had no business fighting a guy that just fought for a belt in his 10th fight. The guy is a novice with a fascinating style fighting his debut fight in a different. All he had to do is find someone with a bit of pedigree that his style would look good against and chuck him there. It's a pointless exhibition fight and there's absolutely no point for that type of matchup.Comment
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Inspired
Did you see Hearn suggest that Hunter or Ruiz might be the replacement for Povetkin against Whyte?
The guy just got knocked unconscious and the only reason he's taking the rematch is because he lost his mandatory in an irrelevant, yet Hearn wants him to fight 2 guys that would end his career as late replacement.
That's classic greedy Teflon Puff Daddy Hearn for you. He doesn't care about the boxers. It's all about money with him.Comment
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- Personally I think the loss and everything that came with it, was BIG for boxing as a whole. Gained a lot of traction. AJ sold it really well...and quite the contrary i feel he gained more fans and more popularity due to it.
- you can put it anyway you want but you're blaming eddie for aj losing, yet not recognising that the big money from saudi came as a consequence. eitherway AJ won major. He would NEVER be on that kind of money with Frank warren and pbc or TR in a context without EH. if pbc couldnt do it with wilder when he was undefeated, they couldnt do it with anyone. Mayweather isnt their creation, he's a byproduct of a great era which came out of Top Rank's big fox (oscar vs felix trinidad). The contexts surrounding EH and dazn and all else pushed up the money to a whole different level for AJ. these contexts played a big role in trying to grow dazn. AJ losing, hearn's reaction, it was great for the broadcaster...and i personally believe that fight was fixed. After all this time im even more convinced it was a fix.
it was about selling the story
take AJ's own words
"“I felt like it was important for me to deal with this like a true champion. In good times and adversity – handle it like a champion.
“I feel the message that I wanted to get across through the bad times is that you can still walk with your chin up and your back high. You should never shy away from these situations and we go again."
- warren did so well with amir khan didnt he? where does this idea come from that a promoter has to protect a fight from a loss?
a promoters job is to promote the fight and fighter regardless of a loss.
can eddie sell a loss well? seen it with whyte, chisora, price, brook etc
sure, he can sell a lossComment
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hearn has already said he told whyte NOT to take another fight but wait for povetkin
whyte was demanding a replacement...and later they settled on waiting.
Also, part of why whyte was taking dangerous fights in the first place was because he knew fans would buy them due to the added risk factor of 'losing his mandatory spot' that's why he took those risks.
bottom line is, this story in itself is interesting...can whyte beat povetkin in the rematch? besides if he cant beat povetkin he doesnt deserve a shot at fury. so why are we having this convo?
Btw major point, but boxers have managers who are more responsible for this side eg who and when they fight. Whyte and AJ have their own management companies. why blame Eddie? they have their own stable and are effectively managing and advising other boxers.
yet when anything goes wrong, you're blaming the promoter.
who had more sy over wilder, lou dibella the promoter, or shirley twinkle the manaer, or al haymon the advisor?Comment
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LMAO. Of course AJ said that after he got the belts back but he didn't say that before the rematch. Emphasis was on promoters and networks. There was actually an interview he did with Spencer Oliver for his podcast before the rematch where he said a lot of cryptic things and was open to say due to the relationship he has with Spencer via his uncle - AJ's coach at Finchley ABC.- Personally I think the loss and everything that came with it, was BIG for boxing as a whole. Gained a lot of traction. AJ sold it really well...and quite the contrary i feel he gained more fans and more popularity due to it.
- you can put it anyway you want but you're blaming eddie for aj losing, yet not recognising that the big money from saudi came as a consequence. eitherway AJ won major. He would NEVER be on that kind of money with Frank warren and pbc or TR in a context without EH. if pbc couldnt do it with wilder when he was undefeated, they couldnt do it with anyone. Mayweather isnt their creation, he's a byproduct of a great era which came out of Top Rank's big fox (oscar vs felix trinidad). The contexts surrounding EH and dazn and all else pushed up the money to a whole different level for AJ. these contexts played a big role in trying to grow dazn. AJ losing, hearn's reaction, it was great for the broadcaster...and i personally believe that fight was fixed. After all this time im even more convinced it was a fix.
it was about selling the story
take AJ's own words
"“I felt like it was important for me to deal with this like a true champion. In good times and adversity – handle it like a champion.
“I feel the message that I wanted to get across through the bad times is that you can still walk with your chin up and your back high. You should never shy away from these situations and we go again."
- warren did so well with amir khan didnt he? where does this idea come from that a promoter has to protect a fight from a loss?
a promoters job is to promote the fight and fighter regardless of a loss.
can eddie sell a loss well? seen it with whyte, chisora, price, brook etc
sure, he can sell a loss
AJ isn't the type of guy to out there and start expressing how he actually feels. He's a reserved guy that doesn't really say much but sees everything. His starpower gave him the £100million cheque from the Saudis but trust me, he knows how his stock plummeted after the defeat and the avoidable humiliation he suffered. Money can't buy that back. A lot of things about him changed after that fight and whatever he said up there, he just said it for the sake of it. The fight damaged his brand. I think he lost the AP endorsement after the fight.
A promoter's job is to match his boxers the right way while the developing into a seasoned pro. And it's also the promoters job not to take unnecessary risks when there's absolutely nothing at stake. There's a reason why every promoter has a matchmaking department. It's there for you to know your strengths and weakness. It's also criminal as promoter to be forcing your boxers out there to fight when they're not mentally/physically fit to.
NO, that was Khan's fault. It was his 19th fight and Bredis was also a novice and was levels below Khan. Warren matched him well, Khan's chin just couldn't hold. Josh Kelly is a novice with 9 fights and he had no business fighting a guy who just fought in a championship fight. Whyte had no business fighting Povetkin when his mandatory was guaranteed. AJ vs Ruiz should've been cancelled on fight week. Etc.
What loss is he selling? Whyte got where he's off AJ's back and his claim to fame was rocking AJ before getting knocked unconscious. Chisora has been losing and selling his fights way before he went to Hearn. There's a reason he has 9 losses on his resume and still sells fights. He got beat by Fury twice and still put bums on the seats when he fought Klitschkos. Got beat by the Klitschkos and still sold out an arena when he fought David Haye. He's Del Boy - he doesn't need Hearn to sell his fights. What fight is Pricey selling? LMAO.Comment
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