Is Eddie Hearn overrated as a promoter?

[BangEM]

hearn has already said he told whyte NOT to take another fight but wait for povetkin
whyte was demanding a replacement...and later they settled on waiting.

Also, part of why whyte was taking dangerous fights in the first place was because he knew fans would buy them due to the added risk factor of 'losing his mandatory spot' that's why he took those risks.

bottom line is, this story in itself is interesting...can whyte beat povetkin in the rematch? besides if he cant beat povetkin he doesnt deserve a shot at fury. so why are we having this convo?

Btw major point, but boxers have managers who are more responsible for this side eg who and when they fight. Whyte and AJ have their own management companies. why blame Eddie? they have their own stable and are effectively managing and advising other boxers.
yet when anything goes wrong, you're blaming the promoter.

who had more sy over wilder, lou dibella the promoter, or shirley twinkle the manaer, or al haymon the advisor?

LMAO. Hearn is lying. He suggested Hunter or Ruiz and Whyte told him he's not fighting anyone and he'll wait for Povetkin.

Hearn tells porkies all the time. LMAO. Left to him, he would've thrown Whyte in there to fight Ruiz as a late replacement for Povetkin to sell PPV.

Oh. that's like me saying, if Fury can't clean up all those top-10 boxers AJ has beaten, he doesn't deserve a shot at AJ since he only fights bums. WHyte didn't need to fight Povetkin and he already earned the mandatory shot. He got fu..cked over by picking a very bad style. Styles make fights!

Networks pay the money and promoters are intermediaries that do the matchmaking. Management don't really have that much say and that's the reason why Canelo has problems with DAZN and Golden Boy. Even if you don't know the intricacies of the boxing business, the Canelo vs DAZN/Golden-Boy saga ought to give you an inkling.

[Shadoww702]

He's good to some BUT suks with most.

[Inspired]

LMAO. Hearn is lying. He suggested Hunter or Ruiz and Whyte told him he's not fighting anyone and he'll wait for Povetkin.

Hearn tells porkies all the time. LMAO. Left to him, he would've thrown Whyte in there to fight Ruiz as a late replacement for Povetkin to sell PPV.

Oh. that's like me saying, if Fury can't clean up all those top-10 boxers AJ has beaten, he doesn't deserve a shot at AJ since he only fights bums. WHyte didn't need to fight Povetkin and he already earned the mandatory shot. He got fu..cked over by picking a very bad style. Styles make fights!

Networks pay the money and promoters are intermediaries that do the matchmaking. Management don't really have that much say and that's the reason why Canelo has problems with DAZN and Golden Boy. Even if you don't know the intricacies of the boxing business, the Canelo vs DAZN/Golden-Boy saga ought to give you an inkling.

'he would have THROWN HIM IN' etc
no, Whyte was the one who told eddie he wants the rematch, remember that?
he was the one pushing for it early, why? because in his mind HE felt he was physically fine, whilst knowing it would be harder for an older povetkin to get ready so soon for another fight.

you're claiming eddie is lying about all this, why would he lie? it's a bizarre claim from you.

you seem to ignore me when i bring up valid points like when i spoke about the advisor and manager of wilder, having a much bigger say in his career than lou dibella.
canelo's manager is eddy reynoso, who is ever present in canelo's inner circle, far more than oscar de la hoya.

likewise mtk global have a much bigger say in who bjs or tyson fury are to fight, what they'll get etc, than the promoter.
the promoter only tries to deliver what the management demand.
remember amir khan had his own manager asif vali who was also tyson fury's manager later. that guy had a bigger say than frank warren on who amir was to fight. i only brought up the prescott point to your point that frank protects his guys better.
a promoter isnt there to fkin protect fighters from losing by making them cherry pick. a boxer will reach the top if he's good enough, full stop.

as a promoter, eddie is highly regarded..but that is subjective anyway.
i'd argue that frank warren had to brave through a dark period in british boxing...and it was only due to audley and lennox lewis's presence promoting amateur boxing that tv deals came in (eg the bbc) that got amir khan on tv and also led to funding.
the current crop are a product of those past efforts.
likewise frank had to pour money into a tv channel of his own to give us boxing. simltensoely the mere existance of a pure boxing channel, boxnation, gave attention to boxing.
likewise frank was the one putting on haye vs chisora.
i actually didnt like eddie for those reasons btw..
i later gave him a chance by watching some of his ifl interviews and realised he talks a lot of sense and is, actually, a solid promoter. actually cant stand frank warren nw for all the hypocritical nonsense he was coming up with.
eg accusing eddie hearn of robbing the british boxing by scalping tickets himself. only to later feign ignorance when tyson fury bragged about doing the same for his fight vs wilder.
likewise saying aj vs ruiz 2 shouldnt be in saudi because 'its a no fly zone' only to say jack **** when tyson fury went running there like a beggar via wwe trying to kiss saudi arse for their money.
no one is perfect, but the bitterness from frank is beyond annoying. he also joined in the chorus when they were blagging about the fake '80m' offer.

you're overly critical of eddie tbh, im guessing he hurt you in some way when you were little...or maybe it was barry epstein?

[BangEM]

'he would have THROWN HIM IN' etc
no, Whyte was the one who told eddie he wants the rematch, remember that?
he was the one pushing for it early, why? because in his mind HE felt he was physically fine, whilst knowing it would be harder for an older povetkin to get ready so soon for another fight.

you're claiming eddie is lying about all this, why would he lie? it's a bizarre claim from you.

you seem to ignore me when i bring up valid points like when i spoke about the advisor and manager of wilder, having a much bigger say in his career than lou dibella.
canelo's manager is eddy reynoso, who is ever present in canelo's inner circle, far more than oscar de la hoya.

likewise mtk global have a much bigger say in who bjs or tyson fury are to fight, what they'll get etc, than the promoter.
the promoter only tries to deliver what the management demand.
remember amir khan had his own manager asif vali who was also tyson fury's manager later. that guy had a bigger say than frank warren on who amir was to fight. i only brought up the prescott point to your point that frank protects his guys better.
a promoter isnt there to fkin protect fighters from losing by making them cherry pick. a boxer will reach the top if he's good enough, full stop.

as a promoter, eddie is highly regarded..but that is subjective anyway.
i'd argue that frank warren had to brave through a dark period in british boxing...and it was only due to audley and lennox lewis's presence promoting amateur boxing that tv deals came in (eg the bbc) that got amir khan on tv and also led to funding.
the current crop are a product of those past efforts.
likewise frank had to pour money into a tv channel of his own to give us boxing. simltensoely the mere existance of a pure boxing channel, boxnation, gave attention to boxing.
likewise frank was the one putting on haye vs chisora.
i actually didnt like eddie for those reasons btw..
i later gave him a chance by watching some of his ifl interviews and realised he talks a lot of sense and is, actually, a solid promoter. actually cant stand frank warren nw for all the hypocritical nonsense he was coming up with.
eg accusing eddie hearn of robbing the british boxing by scalping tickets himself. only to later feign ignorance when tyson fury bragged about doing the same for his fight vs wilder.
likewise saying aj vs ruiz 2 shouldnt be in saudi because 'its a no fly zone' only to say jack **** when tyson fury went running there like a beggar via wwe trying to kiss saudi arse for their money.
no one is perfect, but the bitterness from frank is beyond annoying. he also joined in the chorus when they were blagging about the fake '80m' offer.

you're overly critical of eddie tbh, im guessing he hurt you in some way when you were little...or maybe it was barry epstein?

1. I never said anything is wrong with Whyte asking for an immediate rematch with Povetkin (that’s what he’s supposed to do). It’s a pointless fight he shouldn’t have taken in the first place since he got the mandatory spot already. I remember saying on here that Hearn is just using Whyte and he’ll get sparked by Povetkin. And that’s what happened.

I just said Hearn’s greed and idiocy reared its head again with him suggesting Hunter or Ruiz for a late replacement for Povetkin. Those are very good boxers with different styles and you don’t throw them in with a guy that just got knocked out (with a lot at stake now) as a late replacement

Learn how to read.

2. Amir Khan had a lot of hype coming from the Olympics. He was like 18 and almost nicked a gold medal from a Cuban legend. And the hype followed him to the pros.

Khan was matched well coming up - his chin just wasn’t good enoug.

3. Al Haymon is PBC’s promoter and PBC has does the matchmaking for their boxers. The dynamics of PBC is too complicated for you to understand.

Golden Boy did the matchmaking for Canelo NOT Eddy Reynoso and there’s a reason why they’re loggerheads now.

MTK global is a promotional company that’s copying Al Haymon’s model of advisors. The dynamics of MTK global isn’t that simplistic.

4. There was no darn “no fly zone” in Saudi Arabia. WWE fight there. WBSS was held there and Khan fought there a couple of months before AJ fought Ruiz. Stop giving Hearn too much credit.


I don’t care about what he says - he’s a snake oil sales. It’s about what he does and they’re out there for all to see. Matchroom ruins young prospects. Look at all the Olympians signed to Matchroom - they’re either half-ruined or have no hype around them. Now compare them to their counterparts in the US like Teofimo Lopez and Shakur Stevenson and you can see the difference.

If Hearn were that good - British Olympians signed to him would be having the same buzz as Teofimo Lopez and Shakur Stevenson.

It’s not personal - I’m just stating FACTS. He’s ruining all these boxers due to greed and someone has to say it.

[Laligalaliga]

u mad 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Lol.... Just kidding thou. Its all banter, no hard feelings

[Laligalaliga]

Get Edward's lil willy out of yer mouth, he's a married man.

It's obvious you don't understand how boxing works - you just saw a spoilt ***ish Essex boy with a big mouth spending daddy's money that got famous because the hope of British boxing who's extremely popular with the females fell on his lap.

Women makeup about 40% of AJ fans and a large portion of his fans are men in their 50s-80s and kids from middleclass backgrounds who don't watch IFL TV and don't give half a fu..ck about following boxing. I guess Hearn was the one who introduced him to those demographics. Hilarious.

Lol...... Go fix yourself first before thinking of how to help Eddie fix a well working matchroom system. Can you even promote yourself, talk less of promoting a fight? Go get a life buddie.

[BangEM]

Lol...... Go fix yourself first before thinking of how to help Eddie fix a well working matchroom system. Can you even promote yourself, talk less of promoting a fight? Go get a life buddie.

If I had Barry’s millions and a structure at my disposal - I’d have at least 3 superstars in boxing right now that I would’ve developed. And not be the guy who needed a superstar to fall on his lap before becoming relevant.

After AJ lost, I thought Eddie said they don’t need a superstar to thrive. I guess reality has hit him now that Josh made him hence he changed his tune the last time I heard him speak.

It isn’t that difficult Teflon Hearn - stop being greedy, stop the nepotism and employed good matchmakers with a pedigree, and know when to seal that pie hole.

[Laligalaliga]

If I had Barry’s millions and a structure at my disposal - I’d have at least 3 superstars in boxing right now that I would’ve developed. And not be the guy who needed a superstar to fall on his lap before becoming relevant.

After AJ lost, I thought Eddie said they don’t need a superstar to thrive. I guess reality has hit him now that Josh made him hence he changed his tune the last time I heard him speak.

It isn’t that difficult Teflon Hearn - stop being greedy, stop the nepotism and employed good matchmakers with a pedigree, and know when to seal that pie hole.

If you don't even know the difference in functions of a promoter and a trainer, why should I take you serious?
Is it Eddie's job to develop a super star? Are you in any way normal?

[BangEM]

If you don't even know the difference in functions of a promoter and a trainer, why should I take you serious?
Is it Eddie's job to develop a super star? Are you in any way normal?

LMAOOO. After explaining everything to you in 2 days - you still don’t get it, do you?

Promoters don’t just 12/3%-20% just for organising fights. Their job description includes the following:

- Matchmaking.
- Boxer’s development.

If it was solely about organising events - boxers and networks won’t need them tbh.

I know you still won’t get it and talking to you is like talking to a rock.

I’m done here.

[BangEM]

Let me use this analogy and I hope you will finally get it.

Boxing promoters are like record labels (before the digital era of internet and streaming) that sign artists. If you know the work of record labels when it comes to picking singles (0boxing promoters pick opponents for their boxers based on matchmaking) and artist development...you’ll grasp it. It’s not just about marketing and getting them on radio.

If you still don’t get it, I can’t help you.