Boxing PPV vs last nights UFC

[Armchairhero]

If its a big and/or exciting fight 12 rounds is great. If its a boring no name fight its ****ing torture. At least boring no name fights in MMA are over in 15 minutes max.[/QUOTE]


Your not a real fan unless you watch 12 round pitty pat “technical” fights, were nothing happens. Soon as you see two matched up with 6 KO’s in 20 odd fights, you know your in for a long night... I won’t do it anymore, it is torture...

[soul_survivor]

You need to get a hold of this moderators.

Seriously?

If people want to complain and be whiny b*tchboys, let them do it in the Mixed Martial Arts forum or? Create a new forum etc.
I am starting to get really annoyed by all of these threads.

What's annoying? It's a thread about boxing, admittedly how trash boxing has been but why would you be offended by someone highlighting that?

Boxing has had .... maybe fights worth speaking about in 10 months, UFC has had 2 or 3 per month and many more across all MMA.

[Armchairhero]

Boxing crowd is ruthless, but also honest.

A loss only really matters to the public, in reality? It does not really matter, there is always a way back 'Derek Chisora is evidence of that' his next fight is a mega fight.

I did used to watch K1 Fighting Championship quite a lot, but for some reason UFC has never really become big with me 'Although I will take a interest in individual fighters' mainly Conor Mcgregor.

This crucify a fighter if he loses 'Is a fairly new culture within boxing'. It came about in the 90's, and seems to be at a all-time high as we speak etc.

Note: Nothing personal against you in this thread, it is just the way I can debate at times.

No worries, we are all Fans.. just think how good it could be.. what would the 80’s have been like if haggler and hearns never fought etc etc

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Its hard to call boxers a higher calibre of "fighters" when they'd get their **** pushed in quickly and consistently under most combat sports rulesets vs even mediocre UFC guys as they dont have 75% of the things in their skillset that MMA fighters do.

Theres just more belts (theres like 50 champions right now for ****s sake) and every halfway decent prospect gets their big undefeated record so it becomes practically meaningless, and then most big fights get marinated for years because promoters are so scared of their guy losing. Thats the "higher standard"



He was a national division 1 champion with a record of 106-5. He was also fast tracked because of his name. You're right it wouldnt happen in boxing, not because of depth or quality though, but because wrestling is not applicable at all to boxing while being arguably the most important single facet of MMA.

If you think Brock being champion hurts the UFCs credibility though, does that mean you would favor Fury, AJ or Wilder to beat him in an anything goes fight?



So someone isnt a quality fighter if they eventually get dominated by an even better fighter? isnt this an inevitable outcome for most fighters when they are consistently forced to face each other? why would every fight between top 10 guys be evenly matched?

What about Wilder going 12 ****ing years and 42-0 before Fury beat the living **** out of him? what about Loma being hyped up as the greatest boxer ever only to lose to a 23 year old who only got out of prospect stage like 2 years ago?



Maybe Khabib, Adesanya and Usman are just special fighters and/or it was a bad stylistic match up for the loser? Gastelum had a 5 round competitive war with Adesanya but then lost to a guy who got KTFO by Cannonier, no? plus the margins of victory tend to be greater in MMA for the same reason the fights can end quicker - the ruleset. Its not 2 guys with big gloves on boxing for short 3 minute rounds.

I mean, what exactly are you trying to say anyway? you dont believe Gaethje or Costa are top 5 in their weight class? who do you think could give Adesanya, Khabib or Usman their toughest fights then?




If its a big and/or exciting fight 12 rounds is great. If its a boring no name fight its ****ing torture. At least boring no name fights in MMA are over in 15 minutes max.

Hahahahaha... Did you really just pull the who’d win in a anything goes fight card.

You MMA fanboys can be pathetic man... I stopped reading after that.

Didn’t Holly Holm literally cross over and beat the most dominant female fighter in UFC history.

No MMA fighter will ever cross over to boxing and have top level success because they aren’t skilled enough.

As for Brock, he was an NCAA division one champion, he’d achieved nothing on an international stage like Olympics, World Championships etc and he won the biggest prize in MMA within 4 pro fights.

[TMLT87]

Didn’t Holly Holm literally cross over and beat the most dominant female fighter in UFC history.

Womens MMA lmao, its paper thin. But sure, yeah, then she lost her next 3 fights in a row. By the same logic, a 33-2 boxer and multiple time world champ, is 14-5 in MMA, 2-1 in kickboxing and has been KO'd and outstruck standing in both.

Dont forget that Heather Hardy who went to Bellator too. 22-1 world champ in boxing. 2-2 at Bellator level in MMA and was KO'd.

But its womens fighting so who gives a **** anyway.

No MMA fighter will ever cross over to boxing and have top level success because they aren’t skilled enough.

Arent skilled enough at BOXING. And boxers arent skilled enough at anything other than boxing to not get the **** consistently kicked out of them under most other combat sports rulesets.

As for Brock, he was an NCAA division one champion, he’d achieved nothing on an international stage like Olympics, World Championships etc and he won the biggest prize in MMA within 4 pro fights.

Ohhhh so being a former division 1 national champ in wrestling is actually meaningless and is not applicable to MMA at all even though wrestling is the best base for it? Got it.

Brock as a HW champ was at least equally as credible as Wilder tbh. And definitely far more so than the likes of Charles Martin, Stiverne and Browne who have held HW titles in recent history. And theres obviously no real debate that he would be heavily favored to badly beat any HW boxer in any ruleset that allows both sides to use their full range of skills.

[TMLT87]

Your not a real fan unless you watch 12 round pitty pat “technical” fights, were nothing happens. Soon as you see two matched up with 6 KO’s in 20 odd fights, you know your in for a long night... I won’t do it anymore, it is torture...

Lol exactly. Just looking at the card for this upcoming Tank/LSC PPV.

Barrios/Karl - 12 rounds
Magdaleno/Gonzalez - 12 rounds
Prograis/Heraldez - 10 rounds
Perez/Zuniga - 8 rounds

Even 8 rounds is like 1 minute less than an MMA title fight/main event ffs. 10 rounds is like two regular MMA 3 round fights put together. And all of these fights are likely to last for most if not all of those rounds even though nobody really gives a **** about seeing them. But hey, you're not a real fan if you arent prepared to spend 36 minutes watching Mario Barrios defend one of 68 available major boxing titles against some guy nobody has ever heard of.

[deowal]

Its hard to call boxers a higher calibre of "fighters" when they'd get their **** pushed in quickly and consistently under most combat sports rulesets vs even mediocre UFC guys as they dont have 75% of the things in their skillset that MMA fighters do.
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MMA has only been a 'real' sport for around 15 years. Anything before 2005 or 2010 was backyard bull****. There was hardly any competition back then. Ask yourself how high a caliber MMA fighters are when the sport is so young. MMA is basically where boxing was before the Jack Dempsey era even, back in the bare knuckle days. Boxing has over 100 years as a large, high paying, high competition professional sport. What is takes to be considered a high level boxer is undoubtedly a higher standard than to be a supposed 'elite' mma fighter.

You are a typical mma fanboy in that you think MMA is even close to having the depth of competition that boxing does. Give MMA another 50 years of development, then they can begin to talk about their fighters in comparison to boxers.

[TMLT87]

MMA has only been a 'real' sport for around 15 years. Anything before 2005 or 2010 was backyard bull****. There was hardly any competition back then. Ask yourself how high a caliber MMA fighters are when the sport is so young. MMA is basically where boxing was before the Jack Dempsey era even, back in the bare knuckle days. Boxing has over 100 years as a large, high paying, high competition professional sport. What is takes to be considered a high level boxer is undoubtedly a higher standard than to be a supposed 'elite' mma fighter.

You are a typical mma fanboy in that you think MMA is even close to having the depth of competition that boxing does. Give MMA another 50 years of development, then they can begin to talk about their fighters in comparison to boxers.

You are correct in some respects, it is a young sport with more room for growth compared to boxing. Still doesnt change the fact that boxers would get their **** pushed in because they dont have 3/4 of the skillset that MMA fighters do. And it still doesnt change that guys like Adesanya and Khabib are more impressive, versatile and compelling to watch than the vast majority of current "elite" boxers. Jon Jones last 10 years > Canelos.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Womens MMA lmao, its paper thin. But sure, yeah, then she lost her next 3 fights in a row. By the same logic, a 33-2 boxer and multiple time world champ, is 14-5 in MMA, 2-1 in kickboxing and has been KO'd and outstruck standing in both.

Dont forget that Heather Hardy who went to Bellator too. 22-1 world champ in boxing. 2-2 at Bellator level in MMA and was KO'd.

But its womens fighting so who gives a **** anyway.




Arent skilled enough at BOXING. And boxers arent skilled enough at anything other than boxing to not get the **** consistently kicked out of them under most other combat sports rulesets.



Ohhhh so being a former division 1 national champ in wrestling is actually meaningless and is not applicable to MMA at all even though wrestling is the best base for it? Got it.

Brock as a HW champ was at least equally as credible as Wilder tbh. And definitely far more so than the likes of Charles Martin, Stiverne and Browne who have held HW titles in recent history. And theres obviously no real debate that he would be heavily favored to badly beat any HW boxer in any ruleset that allows both sides to use their full range of skills.

No it wasn’t, Wilder, Stiverne, and Martin all boxed internationally as amateurs and all had OVER 20 PROFESSIONAL FIGHTS. It’s not like any of the guys won “the title” anyway.

Brock had no international experience, and won the UNDISPUTED UFC HW title within 4 PROFESSIONAL FIGHTS.

You MMA fanboys have such an inferiority complex. No wonder the biggest star in the history of your sport had to come over to boxing to get his ass kicked for a pay day.

I enjoy both sports but MMA will never be on boxing’s level, and I’m fine with that. It doesn’t stop me or you still enjoying MMA.

[TheBoxGod]

That was a boring ass main event lol, pot shoting each other like 1st boxer amatuers and then when someone gets tired they do the dry humping till someone quits lmfao.